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Post by eyeswideopen on Jan 27, 2021 13:11:18 GMT
Apologies for quoting myself but on the day after we have hit the very disturbing landmark of 100,000 official recorded deaths, who will the Government roll out to set out the strategy going forward to combat a public health pandemic? Must be the Health Secretary surely? Will the PM manage to do two days work on the trot? Maybe the Home Secretary perhaps? No it will be Robert Jenrick the Housing Secretary. That fountain of knowledge on all things to do with Public Health. Absolute shambles of a Government To be fair to him he did a cracking job of avoiding the answer to every question put to him while looking very sad. I also thought the Shadow Health Secretary did a decent job of avoiding giving a straight answer when he was asked what would they have done different to the Tories if they'd been in power. You just find yourself wanting to scream at the telly 'Just answer the f@@king question for Christ's sake'. I think the most sensible and believable politician I've seen interviewed during this crisis has been Jonathan Reynolds. He actually managed to give straight answers to questions that were put to him without looking uncomfortable. The media are also culpable by asking several questions at once to multiple people , just stick to one question aimed at one person. Keep it short and to the point. That way its less likely to be repeated by another journalist. Love him or loathe him, Piers Morgans questioning of politicians has been spot on (When they can pluck up the courage to actually be interviewed by him) |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 27, 2021 15:17:08 GMT
I'm no fan of Boris Johnson or this government but the deployment of vaccines thus far isn't something you can gripe about. They do seem to be rolling it out rapidly. The opposite seems to be true in Wales where around half of the doses have been held back, apparently due to worries around supply and vaccine centres sitting idle. Surely it's best to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as you can? I've generally been happy with how the Welsh government have handled things so far but this looks like a miss to me. I see Wales is now leading the way, so less of the negative numpty nonsense please.  |
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I'm no fan of Boris Johnson or this government but the deployment of vaccines thus far isn't something you can gripe about. They do seem to be rolling it out rapidly. The opposite seems to be true in Wales where around half of the doses have been held back, apparently due to worries around supply and vaccine centres sitting idle. Surely it's best to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as you can? I've generally been happy with how the Welsh government have handled things so far but this looks like a miss to me. I see Wales is now leading the way, so less of the negative numpty nonsense please. View AttachmentWales have missed the target of vaccinating care home residents and all over 80s by last sunday, by 37%.Still not used the ones they are holding back. Apparently it is the fault of the snow. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 27, 2021 17:08:25 GMT
I see Wales is now leading the way, so less of the negative numpty nonsense please. View AttachmentWales have missed the target of vaccinating care home residents and all over 80s by last sunday, by 37%.Still not used the ones they are holding back. Apparently it is the fault of the snow. Congrats on mastering the quote function, upsidedown, genuinely pleased for you. As for the Welsh Government missing the target they can’t really be held accountable if old people were unwilling to leave their homes during the bad weather. Besides, if we’re talking about missing vaccination targets, England has missed every one, as you cannot describe someone having a single jab as being fully vaccinated. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 17:44:35 GMT
Wales have missed the target of vaccinating care home residents and all over 80s by last sunday, by 37%.Still not used the ones they are holding back. Apparently it is the fault of the snow. Congrats on mastering the quote function, upsidedown, genuinely pleased for you. As for the Welsh Government missing the target they can’t really be held accountable if old people were unwilling to leave their homes during the bad weather. Besides, if we’re talking about missing vaccination targets, England has missed every one, as you cannot describe someone having a single jab as being fully vaccinated. thanks for that nice compliment. As someone who lives in Wales my eyes are firmly on the performance of the Welsh government. You said they are performing better than England,iam sorry to say I don't see it that way. Care home residents are supposed to be vaccinated in care homes but it is not happening. I watch Drake Ford and gething on the news each night and as regards excuses they make borris look like a Saint. I'm sick of hearing it's not a race. Because it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 18:09:33 GMT
Just wondering what people's thoughts are on the following.
My daughter works in a care home here in Wales and during the first and second waves of covid they have had no cases, this mainly due to the owner refusing to accept transfers from hospital unless they have a current negative test.
Recently all residents and staff were offered the vaccine all, bar one carer accepted the offer. This person has since tested positive for covid, should they be allowed back to work without having the vaccine. Thoughts please.
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Post by Si on Jan 27, 2021 18:37:58 GMT
My parents are over 70 and live in Wales. Dad still actually works and is classed as a key worker at the age of 72. His firm refused to furlough him because he is needed to work. Neither of them have heard a sniff about a vaccination yet. Mark Drakeford is an arsehole, just like Boris.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 27, 2021 18:51:46 GMT
Congrats on mastering the quote function, upsidedown, genuinely pleased for you. As for the Welsh Government missing the target they can’t really be held accountable if old people were unwilling to leave their homes during the bad weather. Besides, if we’re talking about missing vaccination targets, England has missed every one, as you cannot describe someone having a single jab as being fully vaccinated. thanks for that nice compliment. As someone who lives in Wales my eyes are firmly on the performance of the Welsh government. You said they are performing better than England,iam sorry to say I don't see it that way. Care home residents are supposed to be vaccinated in care homes but it is not happening. I watch Drake Ford and gething on the news each night and as regards excuses they make borris look like a Saint. I'm sick of hearing it's not a race. Because it is. If your eyes are firmly on the Welsh Government, how do you know they are performing worse than England? Try looking over here for a minute, it’s a bit of a mess. My Dad had his first jab a couple of weeks before Christmas and was told his second jab was booked in for 5 January. This was cancelled just before New Year and rearranged for 21 January. A few days later he was told this was cancelled but a new appointment was pencilled in for ‘some time in March’ but they gave no firm date. My Mum, who is in much worse health and is sheltering, only got her first jab last week. Doesn’t appear to be any discernible system operating. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 18:56:32 GMT
Wife and myself have heard nothing and have no confidence the 15th of february date will be met.
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Post by delamereal on Jan 27, 2021 18:59:58 GMT
Just wondering what people's thoughts are on the following. My daughter works in a care home here in Wales and during the first and second waves of covid they have had no cases, this mainly due to the owner refusing to accept transfers from hospital unless they have a current negative test. Recently all residents and staff were offered the vaccine all, bar one carer accepted the offer. This person has since tested positive for covid, should they be allowed back to work without having the vaccine. Thoughts please. 100% NO No No. Never. We have discussed this in work and most will not work alongside someone who has refused to have the vaccination (when it is due obviously). |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 27, 2021 19:16:58 GMT
You said they are performing better than England,iam sorry to say I don't see it that way. “I disagree with facts.” |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 27, 2021 19:19:26 GMT
Ffs has it been 2 weeks already?
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 27, 2021 19:24:13 GMT
- Highest death rate in the world - One of the deepest recessions amongst major economies - Nearly 100,000 dead - Trying to starve destitute schoolchildren - Trying to take £20 off Universal Credit and pushing another 500,000 into poverty And to top it off, the combination of their naked corruption and obsession with fiscal belt-tightening means they're trying their level best to liquidate our football club over a measly £11m. Chickens well and truly coming home to roost for the Tory voters on here. How anybody can defend the clearly indefensible beggars belief. If the government really genuinely “did everything we could” to prevent deaths on this scale then they are the most incompetent government in history and should resign; if they’re lying about that (which they are, of course) then they’ve allowed tens of thousands of people to die (“herd immunity, protect the economy, take it on the chin and let it move through the population, eat out to help out, schools are safe...”) and should face tens of thousands of lawsuits from those who have seen loved ones killed. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 27, 2021 19:25:05 GMT
Ffs has it been 2 weeks already? You know it has because you’ve barely posted in this thread until right about now. To quote me. Standard. |
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Post by Bob on Jan 27, 2021 19:25:40 GMT
Just wondering what people's thoughts are on the following. My daughter works in a care home here in Wales and during the first and second waves of covid they have had no cases, this mainly due to the owner refusing to accept transfers from hospital unless they have a current negative test. Recently all residents and staff were offered the vaccine all, bar one carer accepted the offer. This person has since tested positive for covid, should they be allowed back to work without having the vaccine. Thoughts please. 100% NO No No. Never. We have discussed this in work and most will not work alongside someone who has refused to have the vaccination (when it is due obviously). This is where it starts. Interesting couple of years ahead. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 27, 2021 19:25:48 GMT
You said they are performing better than England,iam sorry to say I don't see it that way. “I disagree with facts.” Welcome back Frank. |
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Jan 27, 2021 19:38:49 GMT
Wales have missed the target of vaccinating care home residents and all over 80s by last sunday, by 37%.Still not used the ones they are holding back. Apparently it is the fault of the snow. As for the Welsh Government missing the target they can’t really be held accountable if old people were unwilling to leave their homes during the bad weather. The current Welsh Government aren't led by a figure from the left wing of the Labour Party by any chance are they Ian? |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 27, 2021 19:47:33 GMT
Ffs has it been 2 weeks already? You know it has because you’ve barely posted in this thread until right about now. To quote me. Standard. Think of it as an unfriendly welcome back |
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 27, 2021 19:55:36 GMT
You know it has because you’ve barely posted in this thread until right about now. To quote me. Standard. Think of it as an unfriendly welcome back I hope Si remembered to buy the popcorn when he did his essential shop. |
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Post by lincolnexile on Jan 27, 2021 20:04:25 GMT
Wales have missed the target of vaccinating care home residents and all over 80s by last sunday, by 37%.Still not used the ones they are holding back. Apparently it is the fault of the snow. Congrats on mastering the quote function, upsidedown, genuinely pleased for you. As for the Welsh Government missing the target they can’t really be held accountable if old people were unwilling to leave their homes during the bad weather. Besides, if we’re talking about missing vaccination targets, England has missed every one, as you cannot describe someone having a single jab as being fully vaccinated. If the same happened in England you’d be playing up f@@k because the Tories didn’t go and pick them up in 4x4’s and drive them to the vaccination centre. |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 27, 2021 20:28:06 GMT
Congrats on mastering the quote function, upsidedown, genuinely pleased for you. As for the Welsh Government missing the target they can’t really be held accountable if old people were unwilling to leave their homes during the bad weather. Besides, if we’re talking about missing vaccination targets, England has missed every one, as you cannot describe someone having a single jab as being fully vaccinated. If the same happened in England you’d be playing up f@@k because the Tories didn’t go and pick them up in 4x4’s and drive them to the vaccination centre. Ian hasn't mentioned the fact the EU have threatened to block EU made AZ vaccine from being shipped into the UK and have also vowed to find evidence of recent shipments made in EU plants into the UK to fuel their toxic rants about not getting access to it. I wonder if he will support them in their usual pettiness? |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 27, 2021 20:40:24 GMT
Any successes of the vaccination rollout can be attributed solely to our wonderful NHS. The same NHS the Tories hate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2021 20:50:00 GMT
and the millitary and a lot of drivers and volunteers.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 27, 2021 20:50:55 GMT
As for the Welsh Government missing the target they can’t really be held accountable if old people were unwilling to leave their homes during the bad weather. The current Welsh Government aren't led by a figure from the left wing of the Labour Party by any chance are they Ian? I don’t think anybody in Welsh Labour can be described as left wing. From a country that gave us such towering figures as Aneurin Bevan and David Thomas, it’s depressing how timid and Tory-lite the Labour has become here. |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Jan 27, 2021 20:51:19 GMT
and the millitary and a lot of drivers and volunteers. Yep, the 3PL who run the NHS supply chain too. Mancy should know all that though |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 27, 2021 20:52:13 GMT
Congrats on mastering the quote function, upsidedown, genuinely pleased for you. As for the Welsh Government missing the target they can’t really be held accountable if old people were unwilling to leave their homes during the bad weather. Besides, if we’re talking about missing vaccination targets, England has missed every one, as you cannot describe someone having a single jab as being fully vaccinated. If the same happened in England you’d be playing up f@@k because the Tories didn’t go and pick them up in 4x4’s and drive them to the vaccination centre. Yeah, good one that. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jan 27, 2021 21:12:13 GMT
Well, yes, he didn’t single out anybody in particular with his comment. He made no reference to any specific Deva Chat Off-Topic Forum dweller. Yet you took offence to it. It’s just interesting, is all.
Think the same happened with me last time with the whole “scum” thing - a few of you took offence to me describing a broad cross-section of society. Interesting.
The fragile snowflake right eh?
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 27, 2021 21:12:48 GMT
Anti-Brexshit doesn’t make you pro-EU, far from it. I am entirely ambivalent with Europe, I just despise the thick as pig sh!t, flag-waving, casually racist social inadequates who voted out. keep that up and you may be getting two weeks holiday . i dont agree with you but i wouldn't dream of calling you any of that rubbish you have just spouted.one angry man. Never called you anything, so not quite sure why you are in a hot funk. You should re-read my post. If you’re not a thick as pig sh!t, flag-waving, casually racist social inadequate (and not all Brexshitters are) then I fail to see your problem. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jan 27, 2021 21:18:46 GMT
keep that up and you may be getting two weeks holiday . i dont agree with you but i wouldn't dream of calling you any of that rubbish you have just spouted.one angry man. Mancot was banned for less Bit rich from someone who was throwing around mental health slurs the other day. Massive hypocrite is not a good look. |
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