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Post by Lobster on Feb 18, 2021 10:09:00 GMT
Several channels are showing a vaccine myth-busting video at the same time tonight, but the BBC isn't because it says it doesn't participate in campaigning. Seems a nonsensical excuse when it's something as major as this. They show those party political broadcasts in the run-up to elections, don't they?
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Post by Lobster on Feb 18, 2021 22:27:09 GMT
Starmer says he wants to protect "savers" in the COVID recovery. Isn't "savers" just another word for people with a comfortable income? I don't think many people choose not to save, they just simply have little to nothing left over and have no choice but to live month to month.
Plus the Tories say he's stealing their ideas, which says it all really. He just doesn't represent an alternative for me.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 18, 2021 22:38:32 GMT
He also says we need to suck up to the 1% (not exactly his words but you know). Says it all that Mr “I Support The Government On This” Abstain On Everything Sack MPs For Opposing Government Policies Knight Of The Realm is behind Marcus Rashford and Piers Morgan in the polls.
Strong opposition indeed...
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Post by Lobster on Feb 19, 2021 18:34:26 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 19, 2021 20:58:25 GMT
“The party of law and order” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Shouldn’t laugh really, over 100,000 dead (including hundreds of NHS staff) because of this money laundering scheme.
Scumbags.
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Feb 22, 2021 10:17:01 GMT
I really don't see how a minister can keep their job after being found to have broken the law? Whatever your political stance, surely 'breaking the law' is the line that can't be crossed for reasons of trust. |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 22, 2021 10:40:48 GMT
I really don't see how a minister can keep their job after being found to have broken the law? Whatever your political stance, surely 'breaking the law' is the line that can't be crossed for reasons of trust. His position is untenable, but I wouldn't say he's alone in that. It just seems they're not answerable to anyone. The PM broke the law as well, let's not forget, when he shut down parliament. Starmer is being useless as usual, saying Hancock resigning is "not what the public really want to see". Honestly, I have no idea what that man is actually doing. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 22, 2021 10:53:54 GMT
I really don't see how a minister can keep their job after being found to have broken the law? Whatever your political stance, surely 'breaking the law' is the line that can't be crossed for reasons of trust. His position is untenable, but I wouldn't say he's alone in that. It just seems they're not answerable to anyone. The PM broke the law as well, let's not forget, when he shut down parliament. Starmer is being useless as usual, saying Hancock resigning is "not what the public really want to see". Honestly, I have no idea what that man is actually doing. Just using random buzzwords like a proper centrist that the public don’t have the appetite for. Imagine, as an OPPOSITION leader, sacking your MPs (for the “crime” of) and seeing your MPs resign (because their personal stance is) OPPOSING the government’s policies. |
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Post by luke90 on Feb 22, 2021 11:51:04 GMT
His position is untenable, but I wouldn't say he's alone in that. It just seems they're not answerable to anyone. The PM broke the law as well, let's not forget, when he shut down parliament. Starmer is being useless as usual, saying Hancock resigning is "not what the public really want to see". Honestly, I have no idea what that man is actually doing. Just using random buzzwords like a proper centrist that the public don’t have the appetite for. Imagine, as an OPPOSITION leader, sacking your MPs (for the “crime” of) and seeing your MPs resign (because their personal stance is) OPPOSING the government’s policies. He was on LBC this morning for a phone in, I assume you tried to call up and raise these concerns about his current stance. Back slightly to Lobsters point, I fully agree, Hancock should go. Can't expect people to follow the rules (or laws) if senior government figures don't. |
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Post by jedthehumanoid on Feb 22, 2021 11:53:46 GMT
His position is untenable, but I wouldn't say he's alone in that. It just seems they're not answerable to anyone. The PM broke the law as well, let's not forget, when he shut down parliament. Starmer is being useless as usual, saying Hancock resigning is "not what the public really want to see". Honestly, I have no idea what that man is actually doing. Just using random buzzwords like a proper centrist that the public don’t have the appetite for. Imagine, as an OPPOSITION leader, sacking your MPs (for the “crime” of) and seeing your MPs resign (because their personal stance is) OPPOSING the government’s policies. I was in favour of Keir Starmer to become leader but I'm disappointed with some of his choices. He should be hammering this one home and pointing to the other times the government have broken the law recently. Saying the public don't want to see it seems a bit presumptuous and he's painted himself into a corner - raise it in the future and there's a ready made comeback. I understand his reluctance to criticise Brexit issues at this point, it's a hiding to nothing. If things don't improve in the future, when things are a little more 'normal', I hope he does start sticking the boot in. If not I'm afraid I'll lose all faith in him. |
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Post by Si on Feb 22, 2021 12:35:17 GMT
It's not so much the crime that he committed but more the principle of it that bothers me. He repeatedly asks for the public to follow their guidance, yet they don't follow it themselves. You can't be holding a position of such power and not abide by the regulations yourself - it's damaged public trust more than what he already had with his handling of the pandemic. Same with Cummings, sets the rules, asks for public buy in, breaks the rules, and then they wonder why people don't respect the guidelines they set out. And like anything else with this government, there's no apology and then the various other ministers pop up across various news outlets defending it. It's not a hard thing to do to apologise, it would at least make them seem more human, rather than insisting they've done nothing wrong. Surprised I haven't seen Matt Hancock's fake crying again.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Feb 22, 2021 12:42:56 GMT
All of this stuff is probably the most valuable lens through which to view Keir Starmer as a man and as a politician seeing as he made himself in the UK's justice system. This is a man who wanted 10 year prison sentences for those who cheated the benefits system out of a couple of thousand pounds and in the same interview in which he defended Hancock, reiterated his support for the 'war on drugs' and the criminalisation of cannabis, a system designed to crush the life chances of poor, and usually non-white, people through criminality. So then, 10 years for stealing a couple of grand in benefits and a criminal record for smoking a bit of weed, but its thumbs up to Matty Hancock and the big boys to literally break the law in using a pandemic to engage in weapons-grade levels of public corruption and misappropriation of public funds. As Maya Angelou said, when somebody shows you *who* they are, believe them. Oklahoma is one of the most conservative, reddest states in the US. It always elects Republicans and yet cannabis is legal there. Starmer's position on this is well to the right of a lot of America's Republicans, let alone the Democrats. It's all quite enlightening and I genuinely feel incredibly sorry for the very many Labour members who were hoodwinked into believing this man would institute even an iota of progressive change. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 22, 2021 12:58:00 GMT
Just using random buzzwords like a proper centrist that the public don’t have the appetite for. Imagine, as an OPPOSITION leader, sacking your MPs (for the “crime” of) and seeing your MPs resign (because their personal stance is) OPPOSING the government’s policies. He was on LBC this morning for a phone in, I assume you tried to call up and raise these concerns about his current stance. Back slightly to Lobsters point, I fully agree, Hancock should go. Can't expect people to follow the rules (or laws) if senior government figures don't. Did he agree with any more fully paid-up Nazi sympathisers/“great replacement” conspiracy theorists this time? |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 22, 2021 13:11:44 GMT
It's not so much the crime that he committed but more the principle of it that bothers me. He repeatedly asks for the public to follow their guidance, yet they don't follow it themselves. You can't be holding a position of such power and not abide by the regulations yourself - it's damaged public trust more than what he already had with his handling of the pandemic. Same with Cummings, sets the rules, asks for public buy in, breaks the rules, and then they wonder why people don't respect the guidelines they set out. And like anything else with this government, there's no apology and then the various other ministers pop up across various news outlets defending it. It's not a hard thing to do to apologise, it would at least make them seem more human, rather than insisting they've done nothing wrong. Surprised I haven't seen Matt Hancock's fake crying again. It's always Michael Gove who is the first to get his face on TV and make some weasly defence of it. The media seem to think he's some sort of fly in the ointment of the Tories but I think quite the opposite. He's just there to go along with what senior figures and strategists say, often making himself look ridiculous to make others look better. It's like the party have got some dirt on him that they threaten to release if he doesn't go along with it! |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 22, 2021 13:21:58 GMT
The vaccines minister went on two different channels this morning and tried to convince the public that April comes before March (all schools will be fully open on 8th March because it’d have been three weeks since all over 50s will have been offered a vaccine - middle of April).
Sad thing is a lot of idiots will believe him.
Imagine the backlash if black female Diane Abbott did that.
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Post by Si on Feb 22, 2021 16:56:00 GMT
Rosies is gonna be insane on the 21st July isn't it. Hope they are getting stocked up on Apple VK's.
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Post by Lobster on Feb 22, 2021 18:45:25 GMT
Rosies is gonna be insane on the 21st July isn't it. Hope they are getting stocked up on Apple VK's. They'll be a month late if they are! |
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Post by Lobster on Feb 22, 2021 18:46:46 GMT
"Data not dates", says the PM, while giving a date for everyone to lose their shit on when it doesn't happen.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Feb 22, 2021 21:00:03 GMT
Rosies is gonna be insane on the 21st July isn't it. Hope they are getting stocked up on Apple VK's. Think England will be back in lockdown before then with this reckless school plan by the mega death cult in charge. I think all this will impact on the Welsh Senedd elections in May - can see an awful lot of Welsh Labour voters (particularly younger voters) “lending” their vote this year to Plaid Cymru unless Welsh Labour releases itself from the shackles of David Evans and Sir Keith Ham’s Red-tie Tory Party and actually backs what a significant proportion of its members want - a referendum on Independence. |
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Post by Churton Blue on Feb 25, 2021 15:29:44 GMT
I really don't see how a minister can keep their job after being found to have broken the law? Whatever your political stance, surely 'breaking the law' is the line that can't be crossed for reasons of trust. Sadly they have come to the conclusion they can do what they like and get away with it. |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 5, 2021 13:08:53 GMT
A 1% pay rise for nurses. For crying out loud, for a new-starting nurse, it's not even a fiver a week!
We can clap on our doorstep and put NHS signs in the window all we want, but if we continue to put up with this, it's no use. Do landlords accept applause in lieu of rent?
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Post by everhopeful on Mar 7, 2021 7:05:13 GMT
A 1% pay rise for nurses. For crying out loud, for a new-starting nurse, it's not even a fiver a week! We can clap on our doorstep and put NHS signs in the window all we want, but if we continue to put up with this, it's no use. Do landlords accept applause in lieu of rent? Even worse, when you take into account inflation, it's effectively a pay CUT. I bet Boris won't see the nurses who treated him for the virus any time soon! Two-faced liar. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 15:10:46 GMT
Just back from my 2nd vaccine dose pity no where open.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Mar 9, 2021 22:27:57 GMT
Just back from my 2nd vaccine dose pity no where open. I am pleased to hear devolution is working for you, as it is for all of Wales. Percentage per population to have received both doses: England 1.42% Scotland 2.17% The Occupied Territories of the North of Ireland: 2.26% Wales 6.09% No Covid-related deaths recorded for two days in a row and the overall case rate is now down to 43.9 cases per 100,000. |
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Post by Oaks Blue on Mar 10, 2021 9:37:03 GMT
Just back from my 2nd vaccine dose pity no where open. I am pleased to hear devolution is working for you, as it is for all of Wales. Percentage per population to have received both doses: England 1.42% Scotland 2.17% The Occupied Territories of the North of Ireland: 2.26% Wales 6.09% No Covid-related deaths recorded for two days in a row and the overall case rate is now down to 43.9 cases per 100,000. And instead of percentages of population, what are the real numbers behind them? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2021 9:44:14 GMT
Mancot must be struggling for an argument. It's took him 3 days to comment on my post and I only said I've had my second vaccine. Wum or what
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Post by lincolnexile on Mar 10, 2021 9:48:44 GMT
I am pleased to hear devolution is working for you, as it is for all of Wales. Percentage per population to have received both doses: England 1.42% Scotland 2.17% The Occupied Territories of the North of Ireland: 2.26% Wales 6.09% No Covid-related deaths recorded for two days in a row and the overall case rate is now down to 43.9 cases per 100,000. And instead of percentages of population, what are the real numbers behind them? That figure will be irrelevant, mainly due to the fact that it doesn't support his argument. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 10, 2021 10:00:24 GMT
I am pleased to hear devolution is working for you, as it is for all of Wales. Percentage per population to have received both doses: England 1.42% Scotland 2.17% The Occupied Territories of the North of Ireland: 2.26% Wales 6.09% No Covid-related deaths recorded for two days in a row and the overall case rate is now down to 43.9 cases per 100,000. And instead of percentages of population, what are the real numbers behind them? As of March 9th England 19,199,233 Wales 1,007,391 Scotland 1,789,377 Northern Ireland 596,527 |
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Post by Lobster on Mar 10, 2021 10:21:40 GMT
And instead of percentages of population, what are the real numbers behind them? As of March 9th England 19,199,233 Wales 1,007,391 Scotland 1,789,377 Northern Ireland 596,527 Percentages are surely a more accurate gauge of success than those stand-alone figures though? In the same way it would be clumsy to just say "England has had more deaths than Wales". Well, yeah, it will do, it also has more people with brown hair and more people who eat corn flakes for breakfast. It has a far bigger population. Perhaps the most accurate way to compare would be to look at Wales's figures alongside those of a part of England with a similar population, such as Greater Manchester (both around 3 million). |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Mar 10, 2021 10:22:05 GMT
And compared to Europe UK 9/3 22592528 Germany 8/3 7897100 France 7/3 5807779 Italy 8/3 5587592 Spain 7/3 4712191 Poland 3/8 4004734 Hungary 8/3 1361530 Greece 8/3 1126060 Portugal 8/3 1033100 Belgium 7/3 959347 Sweden 5/3 890291 Austria 8/3 830655 Denmark 7/3 743226 Finland 8/3 566387 Ireland 5/3 513322 Lithuania 8/3 304975 Estonia 7/3 145394 Cyprus 5/3 100000 Malta 7/3 97864 |
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