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Apr 2, 2021 21:18:19 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Apr 2, 2021 21:18:19 GMT
They’ll never be able to implement a COVID passport scheme at such short notice because of the administration involved. I mean I’ve had the first vaccine but I’ve got no proof I’ve had it. That means someone will have to produce a driving license type card for everyone and no doubt update it as boosters are given. It’s okay the government saying that it’s up to individual pubs and restaurants if they want to ask for proof of vaccination but at the minute no one can produce anything that says you’ve definitely had the jab.1. When you have your jabs you get a card showing when you had them and which vaccine. 2. There is an app in Playstore where your doctor registers that you have had the jabs so you would be able to show this as proof also But unless it’s a photo type card it could be anyone’s surely? |
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Apr 2, 2021 21:29:23 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on Apr 2, 2021 21:29:23 GMT
You said “at the minute no one can produce anything that says you’ve definitely had the jab” - you never specified it has to have your photo on it. But the only way you can prove it’s your vaccination certificate is if it includes a photo. |
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Apr 6, 2021 10:18:26 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 6, 2021 10:18:26 GMT
From the Independent:
A senior official at the European Medicines Agency (EMA) has said there is a link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and rare cases of blood clots reported across the continent.
In an interview with Italy’s Il Messaggero newspaper, Marco Cavaleri, head of vaccines strategy at the EMA, said it was “clear there is a link with the vaccine” but there was still uncertainty about what exactly was causing such a reaction.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 6, 2021 11:09:43 GMT
From the Independent: A senior official at the European Medicines Agency (EMA) has said there is a link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and rare cases of blood clots reported across the continent. In an interview with Italy’s Il Messaggero newspaper, Marco Cavaleri, head of vaccines strategy at the EMA, said it was “clear there is a link with the vaccine” but there was still uncertainty about what exactly was causing such a reaction. It's difficult though isn't it? Almost everything has side effects. In one of the briefings, Professor Van Tam (who is my favourite of the scientists, he called out Dominic Cummings for a start!) read out the possible side effects of paracetamol. There are all sorts of grim things listed, but if you've got a headache you just take it without thinking.
I have no history of blood clots so I will take my chances. I also don't believe I can pass a blood clot on to someone else.
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Post by Si on Apr 6, 2021 11:42:41 GMT
From the Independent: A senior official at the European Medicines Agency (EMA) has said there is a link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and rare cases of blood clots reported across the continent. In an interview with Italy’s Il Messaggero newspaper, Marco Cavaleri, head of vaccines strategy at the EMA, said it was “clear there is a link with the vaccine” but there was still uncertainty about what exactly was causing such a reaction. It's difficult though isn't it? Almost everything has side effects. In one of the briefings, Professor Van Tam (who is my favourite of the scientists, he called out Dominic Cummings for a start!) read out the possible side effects of paracetamol. There are all sorts of grim things listed, but if you've got a headache you just take it without thinking. I have no history of blood clots so I will take my chances. I also don't believe I can pass a blood clot on to someone else.
I think Van Tam definitely has a panel show career in him after all this. He'd be great on A League of Their Own. Although I did question him when he used the analogy of your team being 3 nil up and then relaxing and ending up losing 3-4.....I can't think of too many times that's happened to be honest, if he'd said 2 nil up then fair enough it can happen. |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Apr 16, 2021 7:47:52 GMT
I see it has emerged Health Secretary Matt Hancock owns shares in a company given contracts by the Welsh NHS. He declared he owned 15% of of the company, but forgot to mention his sister owns a much larger proportion and is also a company director. The company which specialises in the shredding of documents have received £300K of business this year from NHS Wales. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56768601 |
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Apr 16, 2021 8:12:32 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Apr 16, 2021 8:12:32 GMT
I can't work out whether Matt Hancock has no idea what he's doing or knows exactly what he's doing. Either way, I can't believe he's still in that job.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 16, 2021 8:55:44 GMT
This is also why I suspect the impressive vaccine rollout is more down to the NHS and the framework we have in place than anything the government has done. You can't convince me Matt Hancock has masterminded this. I feel like any government could have handled the rollout well, whereas the shambolic handling of the pandemic itself and the high death toll were the result of quintessentially Tory conduct.
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Apr 16, 2021 9:45:30 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 16, 2021 9:45:30 GMT
Exactly.
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Post by Si on Apr 16, 2021 10:11:47 GMT
I'm sure it will go the same way as the previous fuck ups.....continuously deny any wrong doing and hope it fizzles out. No accountability.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 16, 2021 10:29:03 GMT
I'm sure it will go the same way as the previous fuck ups.....continuously deny any wrong doing and hope it fizzles out. No accountability. It's quite incredible that Hancock was literally found to have broken the law with his handling of PPE contracts, yet we've just moved on from it. In a way I find it frustrating that all this stuff about Cameron is being dug up now. To me, it doesn't seem as bad as what the current lot are getting away with. |
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Apr 16, 2021 11:26:40 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 16, 2021 11:26:40 GMT
I'm sure it will go the same way as the previous fuck ups.....continuously deny any wrong doing and hope it fizzles out. No accountability. It's quite incredible that Hancock was literally found to have broken the law with his handling of PPE contracts, yet we've just moved on from it. In a way I find it frustrating that all this stuff about Cameron is being dug up now. To me, it doesn't seem as bad as what the current lot are getting away with. The Cameron stuff is a deliberately-timed distraction to their own corruption, failures, and attempt to rush through bills that clamp down on our rights. You learn quickly that when a government scandal surfaces, to look deeper for the things that are going unreported. |
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Apr 16, 2021 13:22:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2021 13:22:37 GMT
I see it has emerged Health Secretary Matt Wanksock owns shares in a company given contracts by the Welsh NHS. He declared he owned 15% of of the company, but forgot to mention his sister owns a much larger proportion and is also a company director. The company which specialises in the shredding of documents have received £300K of business this year from NHS Wales. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56768601a contract given out by Labour controlled NHS to an English company. I very much doubt rhere was any dodgy dealing. A contract worth 300k need to have a big mark up on that to make a lot of money. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 16, 2021 13:28:29 GMT
I see it has emerged Health Secretary Matt Wanksock owns shares in a company given contracts by the Welsh NHS. He declared he owned 15% of of the company, but forgot to mention his sister owns a much larger proportion and is also a company director. The company which specialises in the shredding of documents have received £300K of business this year from NHS Wales. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56768601a contract given out by Labour controlled NHS to an English company. I very much doubt rhere was any dodgy dealing. A contract worth 300k need to have a big mark up on that to make a lot of money. I very much doubt there is anything but dodgy dealing among some politicians, and not just Tories to be fair. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Apr 18, 2021 11:41:55 GMT
Can anybody explain to me why 'any other leader would be 20 points ahead' Sir Keir Starmer QC is 14 points behind the Tories?  |
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Post by eyeswideopen on Apr 19, 2021 6:39:01 GMT
I see it has emerged Health Secretary Matt Wanksock owns shares in a company given contracts by the Welsh NHS. He declared he owned 15% of of the company, but forgot to mention his sister owns a much larger proportion and is also a company director. The company which specialises in the shredding of documents have received £300K of business this year from NHS Wales. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56768601a contract given out by Labour controlled NHS to an English company. I very much doubt rhere was any dodgy dealing. A contract worth 300k need to have a big mark up on that to make a lot of money. It was for shredding documents, expensive business that. |
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Apr 19, 2021 8:07:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 8:07:01 GMT
a contract given out by Labour controlled NHS to an English company. I very much doubt rhere was any dodgy dealing. A contract worth 300k need to have a big mark up on that to make a lot of money. It was for shredding documents, expensive business that. without knowing details of the contract it would be difficult to say whether it was value for money or not. But you would assume it was given out on an open tender. That is unless there were not any labour mates with similar businesses. |
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Apr 19, 2021 9:34:32 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 19, 2021 9:34:32 GMT
New U.K. variant of the virus discovered just as lockdown is easing and young people aren’t vaccinated.
Great stuff.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 19, 2021 13:04:55 GMT
a contract given out by Labour controlled NHS to an English company. I very much doubt rhere was any dodgy dealing. A contract worth 300k need to have a big mark up on that to make a lot of money. It was for shredding documents, expensive business that. Being ultra-cynical, one might point out that any documents requiring shredding are themselves potentially valuable. |
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Apr 19, 2021 16:46:35 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Apr 19, 2021 16:46:35 GMT
Changing the subject a bit from politics, does anyone else feel some people might find it difficult to return to normal? I'm thinking particularly people with OCD, and those with a heightened awareness of germs and hygiene?
I have a family member who has gone a little hysterical over the whole thing and I worry that she will struggle to ever get over it, and will still be doing things like social distancing and wearing a mask even when we're told it's safe not to. She wears a mask while in the car with people in her own household, which makes no sense at all. I think in a funny way, some people are enjoying the more sedentary lifestyle of Covid and may find it difficult to go back to their old more hectic working and social lives.
Also, what will you change or do differently once this is over? Online supermarkets is the big one for me. It's just a far more sensible way to shop than lugging a trolley about, and it's easier to keep track of what you're spending as well.
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Apr 19, 2021 17:20:15 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 17:20:15 GMT
Changing the subject a bit from politics, does anyone else feel some people might find it difficult to return to normal? I'm thinking particularly people with OCD, and those with a heightened awareness of germs and hygiene? I have a family member who has gone a little hysterical over the whole thing and I worry that she will struggle to ever get over it, and will still be doing things like social distancing and wearing a mask even when we're told it's safe not to. She wears a mask while in the car with people in her own household, which makes no sense at all. I think in a funny way, some people are enjoying the more sedentary lifestyle of Covid and may find it difficult to go back to their old more hectic working and social lives. Also, what will you change or do differently once this is over? Online supermarkets is the big one for me. It's just a far more sensible way to shop than lugging a trolley about, and it's easier to keep track of what you're spending as well. I also have a family member with worries. As you say wears a mask in the car with family members and continually using hand sanitiser. She has shielded for the last twelve months and it will take a long time for her to get over it. I've ventured out into a few shops and last Wednesday we went for a meal to the wheatsheaf in raby. We felt very safe and will do it again this week. |
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Apr 19, 2021 18:57:03 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 19, 2021 18:57:03 GMT
Think people should be socially distancing and wearing masks indoors for a long time to come anyway - vaccinations don’t stop you from spreading the virus.
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Apr 19, 2021 20:49:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2021 20:49:41 GMT
Masks will be the norm. It was my wife out with me not my family member.
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Apr 20, 2021 6:37:04 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 20, 2021 6:37:04 GMT
Changing the subject a bit from politics, does anyone else feel some people might find it difficult to return to normal? I'm thinking particularly people with OCD, and those with a heightened awareness of germs and hygiene? I have a family member who has gone a little hysterical over the whole thing and I worry that she will struggle to ever get over it, and will still be doing things like social distancing and wearing a mask even when we're told it's safe not to. She wears a mask while in the car with people in her own household, which makes no sense at all. I think in a funny way, some people are enjoying the more sedentary lifestyle of Covid and may find it difficult to go back to their old more hectic working and social lives. Also, what will you change or do differently once this is over? Online supermarkets is the big one for me. It's just a far more sensible way to shop than lugging a trolley about, and it's easier to keep track of what you're spending as well. I don't think I'll be doing anything differently really. From the start of this, I've been keen to get back to doing things I used to take for granted asap. Not really interested in a 'new normal' as it's known! I've never felt 'unsafe' during this and I've never looked at it in that way as we've unlocked each time - it's just been good to get back out again. Getting back down the Deva for example was great - if very short lived! I think you're right about increased online shopping habits, unfortunately. It's not something I'll be doing though, I still very much prefer to support the highstreet and local businesses. |
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Apr 20, 2021 6:40:39 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 20, 2021 6:40:39 GMT
Let’s hope not everybody is like you then. I think it’s important to maintain social distancing out and about, in shops etc especially as more and more mutations of the virus surface. A common decency of looking out for your fellow citizen who may be more susceptible to illness than you. I wear a mask and keep my space to protect others more than myself.
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Apr 20, 2021 6:42:26 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 20, 2021 6:42:26 GMT
Can anybody explain to me why 'any other leader would be 20 points ahead' Sir Keir Starmer QC is 14 points behind the Tories? Only one Westminster opposition leader didn’t sign a letter calling for an investigation into the PM’s lies. Guess who. Strong opposition indeed. Was great to see him shouted out of Bath yesterday. |
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Apr 20, 2021 6:47:00 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 20, 2021 6:47:00 GMT
Let’s hope not everybody is like you then. I think it’s important to maintain social distancing out and about, in shops etc especially as more and more mutations of the virus surface. A common decency of looking out for your fellow citizen who may be more susceptible to illness than you. I wear a mask and keep my space to protect others more than myself. Once the time comes that masks are no longer deemed necessary I certainly won't be judging anybody who stops wearing them. Likewise, nor will I judge anybody who continues to. Simple really. |
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Post by Si on Apr 20, 2021 7:15:37 GMT
Once everyone is jabbed up I'll be returning to normal life if permitted. Can't hide away forever, just as you wouldn't with the normal flu. I certainly wouldn't judge anyone who does wish to carry on with social distancing and mask wearing, but by August it will have been a year and a half and if we can't return to normality after we've all had our vaccinations then when will we ever, so I'll be cracking on with life as I knew it.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 20, 2021 7:49:25 GMT
Once everyone is jabbed up I'll be returning to normal life if permitted. Can't hide away forever, just as you wouldn't with the normal flu. I certainly wouldn't judge anyone who does wish to carry on with social distancing and mask wearing, but by August it will have been a year and a half and if we can't return to normality after we've all had our vaccinations then when will we ever, so I'll be cracking on with life as I knew it. I agree with you Si as aperson of "the vulnerable age group" I have been very wary over the last 12 months or so and haven't even had my annual winter cold, which is a blessing as it always goes to my chest, and once I've had jab No 2 I will be returning to as normal a life as possible albeit I will probably continue wearing a mask. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 20, 2021 8:31:23 GMT
I'm torn between thinking that to preserve everyone's sanity we need to get back to normal as soon as possible, and thinking that "normal" was largely why it happened in the first place. I'm not sure there's a great deal we can do as individuals but what measures are in place to try and stop something like this happening again? Think of why this happened - lack of food hygiene, rich businesspeople travelling too much, idiot popularist governments.
Then there's the small and uncomfortable matter of global overpopulation which nobody wants to address. Understandably so, as nobody wants to be told they can't have kids and their granny is living to long, but can we really carry on the way we are with 10 billion people expected on the planet by 2100?
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