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Apr 20, 2021 9:22:06 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 20, 2021 9:22:06 GMT
Once everyone is jabbed up I'll be returning to normal life if permitted. Can't hide away forever, just as you wouldn't with the normal flu. I certainly wouldn't judge anyone who does wish to carry on with social distancing and mask wearing, but by August it will have been a year and a half and if we can't return to normality after we've all had our vaccinations then when will we ever, so I'll be cracking on with life as I knew it. I agree with you Si as aperson of "the vulnerable age group" I have been very wary over the last 12 months or so and haven't even had my annual winter cold, which is a blessing as it always goes to my chest, and once I've had jab No 2 I will be returning to as normal a life as possible albeit I will probably continue wearing a mask. Vaccinations doesn’t mean you can’t carry and spread the virus to someone else more vulnerable than you. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 20, 2021 9:27:51 GMT
I agree with you Si as aperson of "the vulnerable age group" I have been very wary over the last 12 months or so and haven't even had my annual winter cold, which is a blessing as it always goes to my chest, and once I've had jab No 2 I will be returning to as normal a life as possible albeit I will probably continue wearing a mask. Vaccinations doesn’t mean you can’t carry and spread the virus to someone else more vulnerable than you. I never said it did what do you want everyone to do stay at home untill the virus is eradicated that aint gonna happen and you know it, we will eventually have to live with it just like we do with the Flu |
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Apr 20, 2021 9:43:39 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 20, 2021 9:43:39 GMT
Think of why this happened - lack of food hygiene, rich businesspeople travelling too much, idiot popularist governments. Wow, what a way to over-simplify what has happened! It isnt just frequently travelling business people who spread this - rich or otherwise. Hundreds of thousands of different people moved around the world on a daily basis pre-pandemic. Also, many different types of governments have struggled to contain the pandemic, not just the ones that you particularly dislike. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 20, 2021 10:05:13 GMT
Think of why this happened - lack of food hygiene, rich businesspeople travelling too much, idiot popularist governments. Wow, what a way to over-simplify what has happened! It isnt just frequently travelling business people who spread this - rich or otherwise. Hundreds of thousands of different people moved around the world on a daily basis pre-pandemic. Also, many different types of governments have struggled to contain the pandemic, not just the ones that you particularly dislike. It is simplistic but I do think all the things I've mentioned are real issues that have contributed to the severity of this pandemic. |
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Post by luke90 on Apr 20, 2021 10:58:02 GMT
I'm torn between thinking that to preserve everyone's sanity we need to get back to normal as soon as possible, and thinking that "normal" was largely why it happened in the first place. I'm not sure there's a great deal we can do as individuals but what measures are in place to try and stop something like this happening again? Think of why this happened - lack of food hygiene, rich businesspeople travelling too much, idiot popularist governments. Then there's the small and uncomfortable matter of global overpopulation which nobody wants to address. Understandably so, as nobody wants to be told they can't have kids and their granny is living to long, but can we really carry on the way we are with 10 billion people expected on the planet by 2100? Millions of people cross boarders each day, every type of person, rich/poor, black/white - not an issue with 'rich business people' - in fact, i'd argue most of the poeple doing the travelling are not rich at all and mere employees. Lack of food hygiene is a good point, though not sure how you propose to change the Chinese culture of eating weird things. Also, very confused how 'idiot popularist governments' have caused this virus to appear, be interested to here your explanation on that one. The only thing out of this post i can agree on is the overpopulation point, its an interesting question and one, along with climate change, that needs to be addressed ASAP globally. |
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Apr 20, 2021 11:09:51 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 20, 2021 11:09:51 GMT
At least it’s an idiotic popularist government dealing with overpopulation in this country - exterminating the poor, weak, elderly and disabled...
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Apr 20, 2021 11:12:15 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 20, 2021 11:12:15 GMT
Vaccinations doesn’t mean you can’t carry and spread the virus to someone else more vulnerable than you. I never said it did what do you want everyone to do stay at home untill the virus is eradicated No but I want everyone to respect social distancing and masks inside shops. Why should someone who is not generally at risk put someone else at risk? |
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Apr 20, 2021 11:23:12 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 20, 2021 11:23:12 GMT
Let’s hope not everybody is like you then. I think it’s important to maintain social distancing out and about, in shops etc especially as more and more mutations of the virus surface. A common decency of looking out for your fellow citizen who may be more susceptible to illness than you. I wear a mask and keep my space to protect others more than myself. Not sure you're the right guy to talk about common decency but that aside, once the time comes that masks are no longer deemed necessary I certainly won't be judging anybody who stops wearing them. Likewise, nor will I judge anybody who continues to. Simple really. Imagine being lectured on ‘common decency’ by a self-proclaimed Tory enthusiast. We are down the rabbit hole here people. |
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Apr 20, 2021 11:35:09 GMT
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 20, 2021 11:35:09 GMT
Not sure you're the right guy to talk about common decency but that aside, once the time comes that masks are no longer deemed necessary I certainly won't be judging anybody who stops wearing them. Likewise, nor will I judge anybody who continues to. Simple really. Imagine being lectured on ‘common decency’ by a self-proclaimed Tory enthusiast. We are down the rabbit hole here people. Who was lecturing? Still obsessing over those Tories eh Ian! |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 20, 2021 11:43:11 GMT
I never said it did what do you want everyone to do stay at home untill the virus is eradicated No but I want everyone to respect social distancing and masks inside shops. Why should someone who is not generally at risk put someone else at risk? I agree everyone needs be considerate to others hence my reference to continue wearing a mask, the problem in shops is people seem to forget about social distancing its a very difficult problem to overcome |
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Post by Si on Apr 20, 2021 20:57:09 GMT
No but I want everyone to respect social distancing and masks inside shops. Why should someone who is not generally at risk put someone else at risk? I agree everyone needs be considerate to others hence my reference to continue wearing a mask, the problem in shops is people seem to forget about social distancing its a very difficult problem to overcome I get that, I think there's some common ground to be struck in that we can all make an effort to maintain good hygeine habits, but where do you draw the line? Do we have to do this for another 20 years on the off chance covid might leave us alone? |
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Apr 20, 2021 23:10:26 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 20, 2021 23:10:26 GMT
I agree everyone needs be considerate to others hence my reference to continue wearing a mask, the problem in shops is people seem to forget about social distancing its a very difficult problem to overcome I get that, I think there's some common ground to be struck in that we can all make an effort to maintain good hygeine habits, but where do you draw the line? Do we have to do this for another 20 years on the off chance covid might leave us alone? Where to draw the line that's the 64000 dollar question I suppose maybe when the vaccine gives the same level of protection as the flu jab. The problem with covid is that it has serious consequences for people of all ages whereas the flu tends to be more serious for the older generation so it would probably mean everyone having an annual jab as with the flu jab but that would be a monumental task every year |
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Post by Si on Apr 20, 2021 23:15:22 GMT
I've heard they are working at including it with your flu jab, so hopefully manageable by GP's if they are given extra resource.
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Apr 20, 2021 23:20:16 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 20, 2021 23:20:16 GMT
I've heard they are working at including it with your flu jab, so hopefully manageable by GP's if they are given extra resource. That would be workable but the flu jab is only given to the over 65s and people with underlying health problems at the moment would you leave it at that given the effect covid seems to have on all age groups |
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Apr 21, 2021 4:51:02 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 21, 2021 4:51:02 GMT
I've heard they are working at including it with your flu jab, so hopefully manageable by GP's if they are given extra resource. That would be workable but the flu jab is only given to the over 65s and people with underlying health problems at the moment would you leave it at that given the effect covid seems to have on all age groups Young Children get a flu sniffer every year, NHS staff get the flu jab every year. |
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Apr 21, 2021 6:22:22 GMT
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 21, 2021 6:22:22 GMT
That would be workable but the flu jab is only given to the over 65s and people with underlying health problems at the moment would you leave it at that given the effect covid seems to have on all age groups Young Children get a flu sniffer every year, NHS staff get the flu jab every year. I wasn't aware of the flu sniffer what is that and is it administered at school as for NHS staff then of course they could have theirs alongside the flu jab but that's assuming it is a single jab. It's how something like this could be rolled out to everybody on an annual basis. |
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Apr 21, 2021 6:53:10 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 21, 2021 6:53:10 GMT
Was just correcting you, this time re: flu jabs only offered to over 65s.
All NHS staff are offered the flu jab annually, always have been for as long as my employment anyway. The flu sniffer for young children is a puff up the nose, either through school nurses or GP.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Apr 21, 2021 8:08:03 GMT
Was just correcting you, this time re: flu jabs only offered to over 65s. All NHS staff are offered the flu jab annually, always have been for as long as my employment anyway. The flu sniffer for young children is a puff up the nose, either through school nurses or GP. I don't have a problem with being corrected I don't have young children and my grandchildren are all grown up and my great grandchild is just 9 months old that's why I wasn't aware of the Flu sniffer. As for NHS staff being given the jab that is entirely understandable and the correct thing to do |
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Apr 22, 2021 8:24:30 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 22, 2021 8:24:30 GMT
An anti-corruption organisation has red flagged 20% of COVID related Government contracts awarded between February and November 2020. I’m amazed the numbers are that low, clearly the Tories aren’t trying hard enough.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 22, 2021 14:10:17 GMT
yougov.co.uk/topics/health/articles-reports/2020/10/27/who-will-avoid-covid-19-vaccineThis study is from October, but I find it surprising that my demographic (men aged 35-44) were the most likely to say no to the vaccine. It's not the impression I get at all from speaking to friends and colleagues my age. A little worrying as well as we're a group right in the middle, with vulnerable elderly relatives and school-aged children. Not surprising to see women over 55 show a high reluctance though, as I believe it's always been difficult to persuade elderly women to get their jabs. There's a woman in her 80s I know who is refusing it. I think she thinks "letting someone else have it" is a noble thing to do, but it doesn't work like that and it's selfish really, because if you get ill it means someone has to look after you, whether it's family or the NHS. Plus it means other people could give it to you and have that on their conscience. But I think by now everyone is resolved on their decision of whether to have the vaccine or not, so not much point getting worked up about it.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 26, 2021 6:03:15 GMT
“No more fucking lockdowns, let the bodies pile high in their thousands.”
The words uttered by the PM ahead of the second lockdown last year.
Thought “we did everything we could” Boris? 👀👀
And don’t get me started on the tax break corruption for his big business pals who didn’t deliver a single ventilator or PPE for their sweetheart deal, or the hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money to his girlfriend or to do up his flat.
If you aren’t angry about any of this, you’re not paying attention... or patriotic.
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Apr 26, 2021 7:39:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 7:39:01 GMT
the words uttered by our pm.so last year you didn't believe a word that came out of cummings mouth .what has changed your mind.? dyson wanted any workers that came to work in uk to not be taxed twice .do you not listen or read anything other than the red star.as it happened nothing happened .yet another none story .by the way they all fiddle expenses even comrade corbyn.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 26, 2021 7:40:27 GMT
It may or may not be true. The problem is it's exactly the sort of thing he would say and you even find yourself reading the words in his voice.
I don't agree it's a nothing story. If true it's an insight into the thoughts that guide his decisions.
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Apr 26, 2021 8:00:22 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 26, 2021 8:00:22 GMT
the words uttered by our pm.so last year you didn't believe a word that came out of cummings mouth .what has changed your mind.? dyson wanted any workers that came to work in uk to not be taxed twice .do you not listen or read anything other than the red star.as it happened nothing happened .yet another none story .by the way they all fiddle expenses even comrade corbyn. If tens of thousands of deaths of your fellow citizens is a “nothing story” to you I dread to think what does actually matter in your eyes. Astounding. Who mentioned Corbyn? His detractors are clearly more obsessed about him than those who supported him. Just for arguments sake though, have you got a link to the evidence of Corbyn’s tax fiddle? |
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Apr 26, 2021 8:17:53 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2021 8:17:53 GMT
the words uttered by our pm.so last year you didn't believe a word that came out of cummings mouth .what has changed your mind.? dyson wanted any workers that came to work in uk to not be taxed twice .do you not listen or read anything other than the red star.as it happened nothing happened .yet another none story .by the way they all fiddle expenses even comrade corbyn. If tens of thousands of deaths of your fellow citizens is a “nothing story” to you I dread to think what does actually matter in your eyes. Astounding. Who mentioned Corbyn? His detractors are clearly more obsessed about him than those who supported him. Just for arguments sake though, have you got a link to the evidence of Corbyn’s tax fiddle? expenses was the word not taxes you really don't read do you .have you ever worked over seas you don't normally pay tax in both countries.have you ever had job where you can claim expenses it's a perk or a fiddle whatever you want to call it.why do you believe cummings now yet not last year when he was checking hus eye sight |
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Post by Si on Apr 26, 2021 8:22:27 GMT
“No more fucking lockdowns, let the bodies pile high in their thousands.” The words uttered by the PM ahead of the second lockdown last year. Thought “we did everything we could” Boris? 👀👀 And don’t get me started on the tax break corruption for his big business pals who didn’t deliver a single ventilator or PPE for their sweetheart deal, or the hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money to his girlfriend or to do up his flat. If you aren’t angry about any of this, you’re not paying attention... or patriotic. TBF, you are stating that as if it's fact. It has since been denied. I'm guessing we'll never know. Do I believe it? Possibly, but I don't believe everything the news tells me so won't speak as if it's 100% fact. |
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Post by Lobster on Apr 26, 2021 8:33:44 GMT
If tens of thousands of deaths of your fellow citizens is a “nothing story” to you I dread to think what does actually matter in your eyes. Astounding. Who mentioned Corbyn? His detractors are clearly more obsessed about him than those who supported him. Just for arguments sake though, have you got a link to the evidence of Corbyn’s tax fiddle? expenses was the word not taxes you really don't read do you .have you ever worked over seas you don't normally pay tax in both countries.have you ever had job where you can claim expenses it's a perk or a fiddle whatever you want to call it.why do you believe cummings now yet not last year when he was checking hus eye sight This latest claim is nothing to do with Cummings, it's from a report in the Daily Mail, of all places. And why is it not possible you can believe somebody about one thing but not another? I'm not sure I don't believe his eye test story actually, but it was still appalling behaviour and the government should have dismissed him for it. Almost more worrying if he was telling the truth, in fact. |
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Apr 26, 2021 8:43:00 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 26, 2021 8:43:00 GMT
If tens of thousands of deaths of your fellow citizens is a “nothing story” to you I dread to think what does actually matter in your eyes. Astounding. Who mentioned Corbyn? His detractors are clearly more obsessed about him than those who supported him. Just for arguments sake though, have you got a link to the evidence of Corbyn’s tax fiddle? expenses was the word not taxes you really don't read do you .have you ever worked over seas you don't normally pay tax in both countries.have you ever had job where you can claim expenses it's a perk or a fiddle whatever you want to call it.why do you believe cummings now yet not last year when he was checking hus eye sight Ok then, have you got a link to it? |
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Apr 26, 2021 8:43:47 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 26, 2021 8:43:47 GMT
“No more fucking lockdowns, let the bodies pile high in their thousands.” The words uttered by the PM ahead of the second lockdown last year. Thought “we did everything we could” Boris? 👀👀 And don’t get me started on the tax break corruption for his big business pals who didn’t deliver a single ventilator or PPE for their sweetheart deal, or the hundreds of thousands of taxpayers money to his girlfriend or to do up his flat. If you aren’t angry about any of this, you’re not paying attention... or patriotic. TBF, you are stating that as if it's fact. It has since been denied. I'm guessing we'll never know. Do I believe it? Possibly, but I don't believe everything the news tells me so won't speak as if it's 100% fact. Of course it’s been denied, lol. |
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Post by Si on Apr 26, 2021 8:53:47 GMT
TBF, you are stating that as if it's fact. It has since been denied. I'm guessing we'll never know. Do I believe it? Possibly, but I don't believe everything the news tells me so won't speak as if it's 100% fact. Of course it’s been denied, lol. Yeah was pretty inevitable it would be, but what's to say it's isn't a load of bullshit? Just think it's dangerous to start believing news stories as if they were fact. The story is out there and it's up to you as an individual whether you believe it or not, but your wording of your post didn't say anything about it being alleged etc, it was worded so that it was a factual story. |
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