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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 27, 2021 17:27:43 GMT
I didn’t make them, was merely pointing out how it can sum up one or two posters on here that will jump to the Tories defence at each and every turn, is all.
Bet Johnson’s approval rating with them would rise even if he turfed them out of their gaff onto the street to use their place as a permanent sex den for his bits on the side - “well, at least we haven’t got broadband communism!!!”
Proper boot lickers.
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Post by lincolnexile on Apr 27, 2021 17:43:09 GMT
Courtesy of the beautiful people of Twitter: Boris Johnson: “I am going to poison the nations water supply.” Latest voting intention: CON 51 (+7) Boris Johnson: “I have sent a dick pic to all of your mums and put a crocodile in every school.” Latest voting intention: CON 56 (+12) Sort of sums up one or two posters on here for me. Bit childish really isn't it? We can all respect each others opinion without stuff like that. Sorry but there are some people on here who can’t.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 27, 2021 18:05:25 GMT
Indeed, couldn’t have put it better myself, and how noble of you to admit to.
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Post by lincolnexile on Apr 27, 2021 18:49:06 GMT
Personally I can’t see bumbling Boris surviving this. Okay there’s nothing been proven 100 percent regarding either his apartment refurb or the piling up the bodies statement, but the vultures certainly appear to be circling. I can see him ending up on The next I’m a celebrity the way things are going.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 28, 2021 7:12:15 GMT
Let’s break it down - let’s forget what he allegedly said or didn’t say and let’s judge him on his record, his actions. That’s fair isn’t it? So...
Didn’t treat the virus seriously at the start, skipped five COBRA meetings, locked down too late the first time (led to an additional 20,000 deaths), shook hands with many Covid-positive patients, championed herd immunity, defended his mate’s ridiculous excuses for breaking his own lockdown rules, oversaw billions in tax-payer money going to his Party’s donor pals to produce a total of zero PPE, ventilators etc, lockdown down too late the second time, advised the country that schools were vectors of transmission one day and then safe the next day and then closed the day after (millions of kids having to go to school for ONE day), locked down too late the third time.
This whole debate about what was said is distracting from the real point of what was DONE - and what was done throughout the pandemic has led to bodies piling up in their thousands.
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Post by Si on Apr 28, 2021 8:39:54 GMT
Let’s break it down - let’s forget what he allegedly said or didn’t say and let’s judge him on his record, his actions. That’s fair isn’t it? So... Didn’t treat the virus seriously at the start, skipped five COBRA meetings, locked down too late the first time (led to an additional 20,000 deaths), shook hands with many Covid-positive patients, championed herd immunity, defended his mate’s ridiculous excuses for breaking his own lockdown rules, oversaw billions in tax-payer money going to his Party’s donor pals to produce a total of zero PPE, ventilators etc, lockdown down too late the second time, advised the country that schools were vectors of transmission one day and then safe the next day and then closed the day after (millions of kids having to go to school for ONE day), locked down too late the third time. This whole debate about what was said is distracting from the real point of what was DONE - and what was done throughout the pandemic has led to bodies piling up in their thousands. Yeah agree with that, although it's nothing that's not been said a million times on here any elsewhere before, I can't see the value in going over old ground all the time - perhaps that will be more pertinent at the point an independent review of the governments handling of the pandemic has been carried out. And, for balance, you've listed all the negatives but neglected the positive (admittedly the only one) which was the fantastic rollout of the vaccines in coordination with the NHS. The current discussion point was did he make that comment about the bodies piling up or not, and it's fine to make our own informed judgements on that as long as we don't go championing things as fact.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 9:03:14 GMT
Agreed there were negatives. But what about the furlough scheme that has allowed millions to sit at home on 80% wages.also which ever country you look at the same mistakes have been made so perhaps lack of knowledge on the virus has played its part. And even now mistakes are being made world wide. With the odd few exceptions not many have learned from earlier mistakes. Remember how wonderful everyone thought Germany, France, Belgium, and Italy were doing, and America,Brazil and Mexico. The virus has been seriously underestimated.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 28, 2021 9:19:43 GMT
Agreed there were negatives. But what about the furlough scheme that has allowed millions to sit at home on 80% wages. You say that as if these people loved it. They had no choice, we’re pretty much forced onto furlough and most would’ve hated it - of course their wages should be supplemented. What about those told to self-isolate but on pittance statutory sick pay? Most couldn’t afford to self-isolate, thus contributing to more and more positive cases. As for your last point, a lot of countries have made mistakes; socialist-run New Zealand operated a Zero Covid strategy putting people before profit - 2,610 cases and 26 deaths (still, to this day).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 9:28:01 GMT
Agreed there were negatives. But what about the furlough scheme that has allowed millions to sit at home on 80% wages. You say that as if these people loved it. They had no choice, we’re pretty much forced onto furlough and most would’ve hated it - of course their wages should be supplemented. What about those told to self-isolate but on pittance statutory sick pay? Most couldn’t afford to self-isolate, thus contributing to more and more positive cases. As for your last point, a lot of countries have made mistakes; socialist-run New Zealand operated a Zero Covid strategy putting people before profit - 2,610 cases and 26 deaths (still, to this day). damn I forgot to put, don't mention new zealand, have any socialist countries made mistakes? I believe you were one of the first to say 80% was very fair.considering no transport costs and not having to fuel cars.costa coffee and subway sandwiches daily most saved money
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 28, 2021 9:28:35 GMT
Agreed there were negatives. But what about the furlough scheme that has allowed millions to sit at home on 80% wages.also which ever country you look at the same mistakes have been made so perhaps lack of knowledge on the virus has played its part. And even now mistakes are being made world wide. With the odd few exceptions not many have learned from earlier mistakes. Remember how wonderful everyone thought Germany, France, Belgium, and Italy were doing, and America,Brazil and Mexico. The virus has been seriously underestimated. 1.4 million people were deemed not eligible for furlough and if you’re on minimum wage, 80% pay is basically f**k all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 9:53:38 GMT
Agreed there were negatives. But what about the furlough scheme that has allowed millions to sit at home on 80% wages.also which ever country you look at the same mistakes have been made so perhaps lack of knowledge on the virus has played its part. And even now mistakes are being made world wide. With the odd few exceptions not many have learned from earlier mistakes. Remember how wonderful everyone thought Germany, France, Belgium, and Italy were doing, and America,Brazil and Mexico. The virus has been seriously underestimated. 1.4 million people were deemed not eligible for furlough and if you’re on minimum wage, 80% pay is basically f**k all. very true .but what about people who were on guaranteed full wages who worked from home you know teachers council workers hospital admin workers too many to mentional all better off by being at home .apparantly there is 7 billion savings waiting to be spent
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Post by Deva Chanter on Apr 28, 2021 10:14:48 GMT
They're also almost all far safer at home and a vast majority happier for being there too. Given we are talking about learning lessons from the pandemic, one obvious one would be to legislate for working from home wherever possible. No more wasted time, effort and money commuting to work, often on cramped public transport (hello Covid), adding further pollution to our environment, to sit in a cramped office (hello Covid).
But as usual, profit gets put ahead of public health and we're all being encouraged back into our offices - the only reason for doing so, as far as I can see, is to ensure that the people who own the office blocks still get their rental income.
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 28, 2021 10:19:09 GMT
1.4 million people were deemed not eligible for furlough and if you’re on minimum wage, 80% pay is basically f**k all. very true .but what about people who were on guaranteed full wages who worked from home you know teachers council workers hospital admin workers too many to mentional all better off by being at home .apparantly there is 7 billion savings waiting to be spent Why are they better off working at home? Also, schools never fully closed, so many teachers continued to teach in classrooms and a high proportion of council workers, especially those on the front line, had no option to work from home.
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Post by Si on Apr 28, 2021 11:33:52 GMT
very true .but what about people who were on guaranteed full wages who worked from home you know teachers council workers hospital admin workers too many to mentional all better off by being at home .apparantly there is 7 billion savings waiting to be spent Why are they better off working at home? Also, schools never fully closed, so many teachers continued to teach in classrooms and a high proportion of council workers, especially those on the front line, had no option to work from home. I'm a council worker and I've worked from home since the start of the pandemic. I've never been financially better off for it - I buy the same amount of food as I always did and I was never one for meal deals etc, I'd always make my own butties. I'm not saving much on petrol, as I'm only a few mins in the car away from the office so that cost me little to commute anyway. My heating bills went up but I was able to claim a government allowance to compensate for that. So financially I'm about the same, and I know from a CW&C point of view that I highly doubt there will be an influx of people back to the office. Covid has changed ways of working - it's improved work/life balance. It's proved for many that you don't need to commute to an office every day to do your job well, you have more flexibility picking your kids up from school etc, and has environmental benefits.....the days of people travelling across the borough for a quick meeting are gone. The downside is that I miss the workplace camaraderie sometimes and I do think there's some working benefits to seeing your colleagues from time to time, so I'd have no issue going back to the office once or twice a week, but homeworking is here to stay for many now and it should be welcomed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 14:53:30 GMT
I have been retired for 11 years and lock down has certainly increased my bank ballance saving £ 30 a week in fuel no holidays no meals out. I understand office workers have worked from home so they must also have made similar savings. When I worked in construction my commute was never less than 30 mile each way and more often a lot more than that so if I had been on furlough I would probably still have been better off than if I was working. I understand some have not been so lucky but I stand by what I say a lot of people have not lost out financially9
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Post by delamereal on Apr 28, 2021 15:46:03 GMT
I have been retired for 11 years and lock down has certainly increased my bank ballance saving £ 30 a week in fuel no holidays no meals out. I understand office workers have worked from home so they must also have made similar savings. When I worked in construction my commute was never less than 30 mile each way and more often a lot more than that so if I had been on furlough I would probably still have been better off than if I was working. I understand some have not been so lucky but I stand by what I say a lot of people have not lost out financiallyI agree with this as well. I'm not saying that a lot of people haven't lost out but many have been a lot better off. I work in the car industry and main dealers are telling us that they could have sold another 50-100 new cars each month. Their reasons are that nobody has had to pay for a holiday, and most people have done up their houses so aren't looking to move. What else can they spend their money on... a brand new car.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 28, 2021 15:59:23 GMT
very true .but what about people who were on guaranteed full wages who worked from home you know teachers council workers hospital admin workers too many to mentional all better off by being at home .apparantly there is 7 billion savings waiting to be spent Why are they better off working at home? Fuel/commuting costs for a start. Quite an obvious one I'd have thought.
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 28, 2021 16:22:50 GMT
Why are they better off working at home? Fuel/commuting costs for a start. Quite an obvious one I'd have thought. Spoken like a true Tory, where your only concern is money. An awful lot of people working from home have experienced negative health and wellbeing impacts, with the most common being a feeling of isolation and being less connected with colleagues. Musculoskeletal problems through sitting long periods in inappropriate seating, a lack of exercise and an inability to switch off from work are also widely known problems. Mind you, if the health and well-being of people is of no interest to you, it’s probably not an obvious one I’d have thought.
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The last dozen or so posts have been about the financial benefits of lock down. Now suddenly its typical tory not caring about people's health. Where has that come from
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Post by Lobster on Apr 28, 2021 16:56:12 GMT
Personally I can’t see bumbling Boris surviving this. Okay there’s nothing been proven 100 percent regarding either his apartment refurb or the piling up the bodies statement, but the vultures certainly appear to be circling. I can see him ending up on The next I’m a celebrity the way things are going. I'm quite surprised - pleasantly so, I suppose - at how much fuss these allegations are creating. He supposedly made dodgy use of funds and made mean comments - no shit! I thought everyone knew he was like this by now, and either resented him for it or didn't care, happy that at least he's not Corbyn and he "got Brexit done". Who are these people who are surprised and disappointed in Boris Johnson, and what planet are they on?
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Post by lincolnexile on Apr 28, 2021 16:57:12 GMT
Fuel/commuting costs for a start. Quite an obvious one I'd have thought. Spoken like a true Tory, where your only concern is money. An awful lot of people working from home have experienced negative health and wellbeing impacts, with the most common being a feeling of isolation and being less connected with colleagues. Musculoskeletal problems through sitting long periods in inappropriate seating, a lack of exercise and an inability to switch off from work are also widely known problems. Mind you, if the health and well-being of people is of no interest to you, it’s probably not an obvious one I’d have thought. To be fair I know loads of people who’ve been on furlough who’d happily stay on furlough for the rest of their lives. Construction Agencies are suffering a labour shortage because many people are in no rush to start working again after being paid to sit at home and they intend to stretch it out as long as possible.
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 28, 2021 17:03:58 GMT
The last dozen or so posts have been about the financial benefits of lock down. Now suddenly its typical tory not caring about people's health. Where has that come from Cannot believe I am having to explain this, but I asked you the question ‘Why are they better off working at home?’ and the usual Tories piped up that in their opinions everyone was better off because they had a few extra quid. Clearly none of you have considered the well-being of people forced to mix home and work life, but that’s not a surprise with people whose primary concern is money. Having regard for their fellow man is an alien concept for some.
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 28, 2021 17:05:18 GMT
Spoken like a true Tory, where your only concern is money. An awful lot of people working from home have experienced negative health and wellbeing impacts, with the most common being a feeling of isolation and being less connected with colleagues. Musculoskeletal problems through sitting long periods in inappropriate seating, a lack of exercise and an inability to switch off from work are also widely known problems. Mind you, if the health and well-being of people is of no interest to you, it’s probably not an obvious one I’d have thought. To be fair I know loads of people who’ve been on furlough who’d happily stay on furlough for the rest of their lives. Construction Agencies are suffering a labour shortage because many people are in no rush to start working again after being paid to sit at home and they intend to stretch it out as long as possible. Yeah, all those shirkers on 80% of the minimum wage must be loving it. Tremendous post.
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Post by lincolnexile on Apr 28, 2021 17:08:41 GMT
Personally I can’t see bumbling Boris surviving this. Okay there’s nothing been proven 100 percent regarding either his apartment refurb or the piling up the bodies statement, but the vultures certainly appear to be circling. I can see him ending up on The next I’m a celebrity the way things are going. I'm quite surprised - pleasantly so, I suppose - at how much fuss these allegations are creating. He supposedly made dodgy use of funds and made mean comments - no shit! I thought everyone knew he was like this by now, and either resented him for it or didn't care, happy that at least he's not Corbyn and he "got Brexit done". Who are these people who are surprised and disappointed in Boris Johnson, and what planet are they on? If it’s ever proven conclusively that he made the comment about piling up the bodies he’s history and rightly so, but the sad thing is that his Waterloo is much more likely to be an expenses scandal that anything else.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 17:12:34 GMT
The last dozen or so posts have been about the financial benefits of lock down. Now suddenly its typical tory not caring about people's health. Where has that come from Cannot believe I am having to explain this, but I asked you the question ‘Why are they better off working at home?’ and the usual Tories piped up that in their opinions everyone was better off because they had a few extra quid. Clearly none of you have considered the well-being of people forced to mix home and work life, but that’s not a surprise with people whose primary concern is money. Having regard for their fellow man is an alien concept for some. i said not every body .but you can't deny that a lot of people have been finacially better off by not being in work.
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Post by lincolnexile on Apr 28, 2021 17:13:01 GMT
To be fair I know loads of people who’ve been on furlough who’d happily stay on furlough for the rest of their lives. Construction Agencies are suffering a labour shortage because many people are in no rush to start working again after being paid to sit at home and they intend to stretch it out as long as possible. Yeah, all those shirkers on 80% of the minimum wage must be loving it. Tremendous post. I’m not saying everyone has benefitted from furlough, far from it, I was only saying that many people I’ve talked to were more than happy to stay on furlough. But don’t let what I actually said get in the way of your usual bollocks.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Apr 28, 2021 17:20:05 GMT
Yeah, all those shirkers on 80% of the minimum wage must be loving it. Tremendous post. I’m not saying everyone has benefitted from furlough, far from it, I was only saying that many people I’ve talked to were more than happy to stay on furlough. But don’t let what I actually said get in the way of your usual bollocks. Indeed, Ian's becoming a bit of a rambling and incoherent mess here. Put the bottle down fella!
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 28, 2021 17:27:46 GMT
Cannot believe I am having to explain this, but I asked you the question ‘Why are they better off working at home?’ and the usual Tories piped up that in their opinions everyone was better off because they had a few extra quid. Clearly none of you have considered the well-being of people forced to mix home and work life, but that’s not a surprise with people whose primary concern is money. Having regard for their fellow man is an alien concept for some. i said not every body .but you can't deny that a lot of people have been finacially better off by not being in work. You literally said ‘all better off by being at home’ about 10 posts ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 17:44:55 GMT
i said not every body .but you can't deny that a lot of people have been finacially better off by not being in work. You literally said ‘all better off by being at home’ about 10 posts ago. did I? Can't find that comment anywhere.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2021 17:51:14 GMT
If you in normal times went for a pint, the cinema, football match holiday out for a meal and other such things and you are not financially better off during lock down when you can not do these things then you must be doing something wrong.
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