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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 29, 2021 12:33:00 GMT
Would concur with this I don't know him personally but I believe he is getting on a bit I hope he isnt having some form of breakdown, all this lockdown business whilst needed to control the virus can have negative pyschological eefects The psychological and physical impacts of working at home, away from colleagues was something I alluded to yesterday, yet some posters seemed to ridicule this notion. In their opinion everyone was financially better off and so by extension, these issues don’t matter. Apparently to even consider this you must be either drunk or sniffing glue. One of those posters was the aforementioned Upsanddowns. I hope his time away from the forum provides the opportunity for him to reflect on such opinions and allows him to return whenever he is ready to. I’m sure we will all welcome him back.
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 29, 2021 12:46:20 GMT
At the risk of sounding patronising, I think perhaps we should try (myself included) to be a little more easy going and patient towards senior forum users. If you're in your 20s or 30s, you've probably grown up having argument online. If you're in your 60s or 70s, the experience may be a bit confusing or upsetting. Just something to think about, maybe. Yeah, it is patronising.
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Post by thestanchion on Apr 29, 2021 20:28:58 GMT
At the risk of sounding patronising, I think perhaps we should try (myself included) to be a little more easy going and patient towards senior forum users. If you're in your 20s or 30s, you've probably grown up having argument online. If you're in your 60s or 70s, the experience may be a bit confusing or upsetting. Just something to think about, maybe. I will be 70 next week Lobster. Go into the tackle two footed with studs up if you need to.
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May 10, 2021 14:12:13 GMT
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Post by Lobster on May 10, 2021 14:12:13 GMT
Had my first pub session recently and enjoyed it. I do think social distancing goes out the window once people have had a few drinks though, realistically.
Everyone's going on about "hugs" and all this, but myself I hope the masks are the first thing to go. Let me be clear, I'm not saying we shouldn't wear them and will keep doing so until we're told otherwise. I'm sure they're doing good, but I find all this mask-wearing a bit grim and unsettling. Plus there's the environmental impact - these things don't decompose and you can't walk down a street without seeing one on the floor.
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May 14, 2021 10:10:14 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 14, 2021 10:10:14 GMT
June restriction lifting now in doubt due to a surge in the Indian variant of the virus.
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Post by Lobster on May 19, 2021 21:59:08 GMT
Very interesting programme available on BBC iPlayer called "A Short History of Living Longer".
The main things I took from it:
- the idea of vaccines basically came from Africa and Asia, and the West was slow to accept it purely for that reason - if we purely "look after ourselves" rather than make sure the Covid vaccine is available around the world, the pandemic will go on a lot longer - historically, there are very good reasons why black and Asian communities might be sceptical of a Western-created vaccine - the complete eradication of smallpox is perhaps the most incredible thing humanity has ever achieved
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Post by Ian H Block on May 20, 2021 16:04:27 GMT
I see it’s being reported that Serco Test and Trace went missing for three weeks, contributing to a surge in the Indian variant. £37 billion down the drain, someone should refer Dido Harding to the Tory anti-corruption Tsar, who just happens to be her husband.
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Post by Lobster on May 21, 2021 8:34:06 GMT
I'm not sure I'm even comfortable with us calling it the "Indian variant". Very easy to deflect blame by naming it after another country, as Trump kept trying to do by talking about the "Chinese virus". Anyway, not surprising that it turns out a good old-fashioned British bugger up has worsened the problem, so let's be as quick to own our home-grown bungling as we are to point out the foreign origins of variants.
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May 21, 2021 8:56:03 GMT
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Post by lincolnexile on May 21, 2021 8:56:03 GMT
I'm not sure I'm even comfortable with us calling it the "Indian variant". Very easy to deflect blame by naming it after another country, as Trump kept trying to do by talking about the "Chinese virus". Anyway, not surprising that it turns out a good old-fashioned British bugger up has worsened the problem, so let's be as quick to own our home-grown bungling as we are to point out the foreign origins of variants. We did have the Kent variant recently that other countries were quick to blame for an upsurge in cases to be fair.
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Post by eyeswideopen on May 21, 2021 9:23:07 GMT
When i had the Brazilian variant a few months ago most of my pubes fell out.
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Post by luke90 on May 21, 2021 13:39:12 GMT
I'm not sure I'm even comfortable with us calling it the "Indian variant". Very easy to deflect blame by naming it after another country, as Trump kept trying to do by talking about the "Chinese virus". Anyway, not surprising that it turns out a good old-fashioned British bugger up has worsened the problem, so let's be as quick to own our home-grown bungling as we are to point out the foreign origins of variants. Why? It originates from their so what is the issue?
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Post by Lobster on May 21, 2021 14:09:13 GMT
I'm not sure I'm even comfortable with us calling it the "Indian variant". Very easy to deflect blame by naming it after another country, as Trump kept trying to do by talking about the "Chinese virus". Anyway, not surprising that it turns out a good old-fashioned British bugger up has worsened the problem, so let's be as quick to own our home-grown bungling as we are to point out the foreign origins of variants. Why? It originates from their so what is the issue? It has a name - B.1.617, so why attach it to a country? Did everywhere else call it "British mad cow disease"?
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May 21, 2021 14:36:20 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on May 21, 2021 14:36:20 GMT
Why? It originates from their so what is the issue? It has a name - B.1.617, so why attach it to a country? Did everywhere else call it "British mad cow disease"? Yes, I think they did.
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Post by luke90 on May 21, 2021 14:52:43 GMT
Why? It originates from their so what is the issue? It has a name - B.1.617, so why attach it to a country? Did everywhere else call it "British mad cow disease"? And who refers to the overall thing as SARS-CoV-2 all the time? Everything has a more scientific name, people don't use them, hence the variants being called the way in which they are. D Sorry, but moaning about it being called the indian variant jsut seems like you are trying to get ahead of the PC brigade.
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May 21, 2021 20:08:39 GMT
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Post by Bob on May 21, 2021 20:08:39 GMT
It has a name - B.1.617, so why attach it to a country? Did everywhere else call it "British mad cow disease"? And who refers to the overall thing as SARS-CoV-2 all the time? Everything has a more scientific name, people don't use them, hence the variants being called the way in which they are. D Sorry, but moaning about it being called the indian variant jsut seems like you are trying to get ahead of the PC brigade. It's what Lobster does. He carries a lot of self hatred for himself and his country. Its an amazing phenomenon tbf. Anything he sees as a negative he points it back to ourselves. One day people like him will be laughed at. But for now they're dangerous. And they're everywhere.
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May 21, 2021 21:18:14 GMT
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Post by Ian H Block on May 21, 2021 21:18:14 GMT
And who refers to the overall thing as SARS-CoV-2 all the time? Everything has a more scientific name, people don't use them, hence the variants being called the way in which they are. D Sorry, but moaning about it being called the indian variant jsut seems like you are trying to get ahead of the PC brigade. It's what Lobster does. He carries a lot of self hatred for himself and his country. Its an amazing phenomenon tbf. Anything he sees as a negative he points it back to ourselves. One day people like him will be laughed at. But for now they're dangerous. And they're everywhere. Not as dangerous or as widespread as the thick racist fraternity whose numbers seem to be increasing faster than COVID cases. Not sure what the U.K. R number for fascists is, but it must be double figures.
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May 21, 2021 22:20:20 GMT
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Post by Bob on May 21, 2021 22:20:20 GMT
It's what Lobster does. He carries a lot of self hatred for himself and his country. Its an amazing phenomenon tbf. Anything he sees as a negative he points it back to ourselves. One day people like him will be laughed at. But for now they're dangerous. And they're everywhere. Not as dangerous or as widespread as the thick racist fraternity whose numbers seem to be increasing faster than COVID cases. Not sure what the U.K. R number for fascists is, but it must be double figures. You should go and check. Show us the link when you've finished your research.
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Post by Lobster on May 22, 2021 7:00:56 GMT
And who refers to the overall thing as SARS-CoV-2 all the time? Everything has a more scientific name, people don't use them, hence the variants being called the way in which they are. D Sorry, but moaning about it being called the indian variant jsut seems like you are trying to get ahead of the PC brigade. It's what Lobster does. He carries a lot of self hatred for himself and his country. Its an amazing phenomenon tbf. Anything he sees as a negative he points it back to ourselves. One day people like him will be laughed at. But for now they're dangerous. And they're everywhere. I think I'm mostly laughed at now to be honest. I'm increasingly disappointed in my country but I don't hate it, or myself which is a bizarre conclusion you've come to.
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May 22, 2021 7:43:34 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 22, 2021 7:43:34 GMT
I’d ignore Rob/Robaldo/Vladimir Lenin/etc. He’s bored and on a WUM.
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Post by Lobster on May 22, 2021 8:41:52 GMT
I’d ignore Rob/Robaldo/Vladimir Lenin/etc. He’s bored and on a WUM. I know, strange way to carry on. Maybe he hates himself?
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Post by Ian H Block on May 24, 2021 8:12:30 GMT
Tory donors paying for £27,000 worth of takeaways for Boris Johnson and Carrie Symonds during lockdown is a real kick in the teeth for those hungry children denied free school meals in the holidays. The shameless Tory grift continues.
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Post by eyeswideopen on May 24, 2021 8:56:34 GMT
Tory donors paying for £27,000 worth of takeaways for Boris Johnson and Carrie Symonds during lockdown is a real kick in the teeth for those hungry children denied free school meals in the holidays. The shameless Tory grift continues. www.theguardian.com/world/video/2020/jul/27/i-was-too-fat-boris-johnson-launches-uk-obesity-reduction-drive-videoand there's the country believing he was trying to lose weight because his obesity nearly killed him when he got Covid. We need someone trustworthy in the Government, like...Priti Patel maybe, to come on TV and tell everyone the Government did have a plan for herd immunity.
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May 26, 2021 13:45:14 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 26, 2021 13:45:14 GMT
Cummings dropping bombs left right and centre on the current shower of a government over the mishandling of the pandemic - yet Sir Keith will still be losing ground in the polls. Wow.
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May 26, 2021 18:34:42 GMT
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Post by Si on May 26, 2021 18:34:42 GMT
Cummings dropping bombs left right and centre on the current shower of a government over the mishandling of the pandemic - yet Sir Keith will still be losing ground in the polls. Wow. He is probably right in a lot he has said, but Cummins himself is lower than a snakes belly and throwing his former colleagues under the bus to make himself look less culpable in all this says all you need to know about the integrity of the man. Wasn't saying all this when all his mates were having to do interviews on the news stations defending him for titting about at Barnard Castle. He sums up the state of British politics.
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Post by Lobster on May 26, 2021 20:29:41 GMT
Cummings dropping bombs left right and centre on the current shower of a government over the mishandling of the pandemic - yet Sir Keith will still be losing ground in the polls. Wow. He is probably right in a lot he has said, but Cummins himself is lower than a snakes belly and throwing his former colleagues under the bus to make himself look less culpable in all this says all you need to know about the integrity of the man. Wasn't saying all this when all his mates were having to do interviews on the news stations defending him for titting about at Barnard Castle. He sums up the state of British politics. I suspected at the time that the reason they defended him was because they knew how much dirt he had on them. But yes, he's a worm and he's complicit in the shambolic way the pandemic was handled last year. The Tories and their associates can't stop shitting all over each other, so I don't know what makes anyone think they care about the general public.
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May 27, 2021 12:10:37 GMT
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Post by Bob on May 27, 2021 12:10:37 GMT
How should have the pandemic been handled last year? Not a criticism of anyone, just a question as I've seen people mention it was handled badly.
What would you have done last year differently and what would you do now? Considering we're effectively coming out of our third lockdown.
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Post by eyeswideopen on May 27, 2021 12:33:30 GMT
How should have the pandemic been handled last year? Not a criticism of anyone, just a question as I've seen people mention it was handled badly. What would you have done last year differently and what would you do now? Considering we're effectively coming out of our third lockdown. Jesus, where do you start? Way way before the virus was known, we had close calls with SARS,MERS, Bird Flu etc the warning signs were there. A huge operation went underway to ascertain if we were ready to cope with something much much worse. We weren't ready. A complete lack of resources, PPE and skilled people and this Government ignored all of those findings and then it hit China. we largely ignored the warnings coming from China, then Iran and then Italy and Spain. We were slow to lock down and we had Super spreader events such as Cheltenham and the Liverpool match allowed to go ahead even though the 3000 Madrid fans were travelling from the epicentre of the virus in Spain. 90 odd people were flown out of China for their own safety and told to self isolate for 2 weeks at Arrowe Park hospital. In those 2 weeks 18 million people entered the country unchecked from various parts of the world including China. We had a prime minister hell bent on herd immunity, including likening it to having chicken pox parties, he went around shaking hands with people in public whilst his advisors were telling the country not to make unnecessary contact with people and to social distance. PPE contracts were woefully mismanaged, whether deliberately or not as a lot of the beneficiaries from these Government contracts were either friends or Tory donors with no history or experience of dealing with what was required. Test and trace was not world beating as promised but a complete disaster, Why? Because it was given to Serco to manage, another Tory donating company. The tier system introduced was another disaster as people were largely misinformed or confused about what they could do and still are in parts of the North West. Good points they got largely right- The furlough scheme and the vaccination roll out, both largly administered with no interference from the Chief Chimp in charge. There must be other points i have missed but i really haven't got all day.
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May 27, 2021 16:51:42 GMT
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Post by Bob on May 27, 2021 16:51:42 GMT
The meat of that from what I read was you'd of put us into lockdown sooner last year and there were no resources available for a situation like this to happen.
Instead of the tier system last summer, how would you have managed it?
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Post by delamereal on May 27, 2021 18:31:17 GMT
How should have the pandemic been handled last year? Not a criticism of anyone, just a question as I've seen people mention it was handled badly. What would you have done last year differently and what would you do now? Considering we're effectively coming out of our third lockdown. Jesus, where do you start? Way way before the virus was known, we had close calls with SARS,MERS, Bird Flu etc the warning signs were there. A huge operation went underway to ascertain if we were ready to cope with something much much worse. We weren't ready. A complete lack of resources, PPE and skilled people and this Government ignored all of those findings and then it hit China. we largely ignored the warnings coming from China, then Iran and then Italy and Spain. We were slow to lock down and we had Super spreader events such as Cheltenham and the Liverpool match allowed to go ahead even though the 3000 Madrid fans were travelling from the epicentre of the virus in Spain. 90 odd people were flown out of China for their own safety and told to self isolate for 2 weeks at Arrowe Park hospital. In those 2 weeks 18 million people entered the country unchecked from various parts of the world including China. We had a prime minister hell bent on herd immunity, including likening it to having chicken pox parties, he went around shaking hands with people in public whilst his advisors were telling the country not to make unnecessary contact with people and to social distance. PPE contracts were woefully mismanaged, whether deliberately or not as a lot of the beneficiaries from these Government contracts were either friends or Tory donors with no history or experience of dealing with what was required. Test and trace was not world beating as promised but a complete disaster, Why? Because it was given to Serco to manage, another Tory donating company. The tier system introduced was another disaster as people were largely misinformed or confused about what they could do and still are in parts of the North West.Good points they got largely right- The furlough scheme and the vaccination roll out, both largly administered with no interference from the Chief Chimp in charge. There must be other points i have missed but i really haven't got all day. Not at all the instructions were, and still are easy to understand. The problem was the people who chose not to adhere to them (and I include Domiprick Cummings as one of them).
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May 28, 2021 5:47:25 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 28, 2021 5:47:25 GMT
Of course he’s a snake - that he’s throwing all these ministers under the bus with himself says it all about them though.
Good job we now have a useful opposi... oh wait.
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