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Post by eyeswideopen on May 28, 2021 6:49:15 GMT
Jesus, where do you start? Way way before the virus was known, we had close calls with SARS,MERS, Bird Flu etc the warning signs were there. A huge operation went underway to ascertain if we were ready to cope with something much much worse. We weren't ready. A complete lack of resources, PPE and skilled people and this Government ignored all of those findings and then it hit China. we largely ignored the warnings coming from China, then Iran and then Italy and Spain. We were slow to lock down and we had Super spreader events such as Cheltenham and the Liverpool match allowed to go ahead even though the 3000 Madrid fans were travelling from the epicentre of the virus in Spain. 90 odd people were flown out of China for their own safety and told to self isolate for 2 weeks at Arrowe Park hospital. In those 2 weeks 18 million people entered the country unchecked from various parts of the world including China. We had a prime minister hell bent on herd immunity, including likening it to having chicken pox parties, he went around shaking hands with people in public whilst his advisors were telling the country not to make unnecessary contact with people and to social distance. PPE contracts were woefully mismanaged, whether deliberately or not as a lot of the beneficiaries from these Government contracts were either friends or Tory donors with no history or experience of dealing with what was required. Test and trace was not world beating as promised but a complete disaster, Why? Because it was given to Serco to manage, another Tory donating company. The tier system introduced was another disaster as people were largely misinformed or confused about what they could do and still are in parts of the North West.Good points they got largely right- The furlough scheme and the vaccination roll out, both largly administered with no interference from the Chief Chimp in charge. There must be other points i have missed but i really haven't got all day. Not at all the instructions were, and still are easy to understand. The problem was the people who chose not to adhere to them (and I include Domiprick Cummings as one of them). The three tier system wasn't introduced when Cummings decided to drive his family up north, we were in a national lockdown then and yes it was clear he shouldn't have done that. The confusion over the tiered system didn't make any sense then and still doesn't now.The Government themselves admitted so. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57246973 |
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Post by Lobster on May 28, 2021 6:53:26 GMT
Jesus, where do you start? Way way before the virus was known, we had close calls with SARS,MERS, Bird Flu etc the warning signs were there. A huge operation went underway to ascertain if we were ready to cope with something much much worse. We weren't ready. A complete lack of resources, PPE and skilled people and this Government ignored all of those findings and then it hit China. we largely ignored the warnings coming from China, then Iran and then Italy and Spain. We were slow to lock down and we had Super spreader events such as Cheltenham and the Liverpool match allowed to go ahead even though the 3000 Madrid fans were travelling from the epicentre of the virus in Spain. 90 odd people were flown out of China for their own safety and told to self isolate for 2 weeks at Arrowe Park hospital. In those 2 weeks 18 million people entered the country unchecked from various parts of the world including China. We had a prime minister hell bent on herd immunity, including likening it to having chicken pox parties, he went around shaking hands with people in public whilst his advisors were telling the country not to make unnecessary contact with people and to social distance. PPE contracts were woefully mismanaged, whether deliberately or not as a lot of the beneficiaries from these Government contracts were either friends or Tory donors with no history or experience of dealing with what was required. Test and trace was not world beating as promised but a complete disaster, Why? Because it was given to Serco to manage, another Tory donating company. The tier system introduced was another disaster as people were largely misinformed or confused about what they could do and still are in parts of the North West.Good points they got largely right- The furlough scheme and the vaccination roll out, both largly administered with no interference from the Chief Chimp in charge. There must be other points i have missed but i really haven't got all day. Not at all the instructions were, and still are easy to understand. The problem was the people who chose not to adhere to them (and I include Domiprick Cummings as one of them). Who the government almost unanimously defended, thus muddling the message and making people think if he doesn't have to follow the rules, why do I? |
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 28, 2021 7:30:32 GMT
It was embarrassing, everyone coming out to defend him on national TV and radio. Michael Gove even said he had, on occasion, driven miles to test his eyesight too.
The messaging was definitely mixed and unclear, I would say deliberately so in order to then point the finger of blame on the public. Schools in England reopening for one day, for example. From “vectors of transmission” to “safe” to “vectors of transmission.” One of many examples.
The ONLY thing they’ve “got right” in all this is the vaccination program - which is actually all down to the scientific experts they’d spent years denigrating (even during the pandemic the PM was championing herd immunity and chicken pox parties) and our brilliant NHS in administering it.
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Post by Lobster on May 28, 2021 8:26:02 GMT
The success of the vaccine programme has got the government out of jail. They're fortunate that the recent election fell now and not last year, and that they are blessed with such a weak leader of the opposition in Starmer.
But looking at Matt Hancock, his catalogue of dodgy deals and gormless expressions, I'm sorry but nobody can convince me he is the genius behind the programme's success.
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Post by luke90 on May 28, 2021 12:51:17 GMT
You've got to give credit in regards to the furlough scheme too IMO.
Whilst not perfect and of course some people were left out of this, or the self employment one, it was a life lines to millions of people.
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Post by Lobster on May 28, 2021 14:23:08 GMT
You've got to give credit in regards to the furlough scheme too IMO. Whilst not perfect and of course some people were left out of this, or the self employment one, it was a life lines to millions of people. Yes, it was pretty good, although protecting the public and businesses at times when they genuinely cannot operate is what we should expect from the government, and what we pay our taxes for. I think following the cruel years of austerity where they milked the most out of those who had the least, even the Tories didn't dare to be so unkind this time. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 28, 2021 14:33:22 GMT
Being forced to stay home on a 20% paycut 👏👏👏👏👏
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Post by luke90 on May 28, 2021 14:46:33 GMT
We will be paying for it for a generation, the fact people had to take a 20% cut is a shame, but i know a lot of companies were topping it up.
Our scheme was one of the best in the world, without doubt.
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May 28, 2021 16:56:30 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 28, 2021 16:56:30 GMT
“Who could’ve handled it better?” keeps getting asked.
Literally almost every other country in the world.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 16, 2021 13:34:24 GMT
Any of the Boris fanboys on here agree with his assessment of Matt Hancock as ‘totally fucking hopeless’?
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Post by Lobster on Jun 16, 2021 14:09:18 GMT
Any of the Boris fanboys on here agree with his assessment of Matt Hancock as ‘totally fucking hopeless’? It's probably the first thing I do agree with on! |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 16, 2021 15:50:13 GMT
Why is he still in that post then? Embarrassing.
Everything coming out about our chimp in chief not taking meetings seriously sounds about right, too.
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 16, 2021 16:07:28 GMT
Why is he still in that post then? Embarrassing. Everything coming out about our chimp in chief not taking meetings seriously sounds about right, too. He’s still in post because he’s a human shield for Johnson. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 25, 2021 13:33:35 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57612441Hancock is utterly hapless, isn't he? I'm not sure he's any more corrupt or incompetent than rest of them, but he's particularly bad at covering up his misdeeds. Unsurprisingly, it looks like once again he's going to get away with it.
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Post by eyeswideopen on Jun 25, 2021 13:48:52 GMT
Why is he still in that post then? Embarrassing. Everything coming out about our chimp in chief not taking meetings seriously sounds about right, too. He’s still in post because he’s a human shield for Johnson. For how much longer though.... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57612441 |
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Post by Si on Jun 25, 2021 18:14:26 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57612441Hancock is utterly hapless, isn't he? I'm not sure he's any more corrupt or incompetent than rest of them, but he's particularly bad at covering up his misdeeds. Unsurprisingly, it looks like once again he's going to get away with it. Years ago politicians would have resigned for stories like this breaking out, but there's a culture of absolutely no accountability anymore. In normal society you probably wouldn't advocate someone losing their job if they were banging around behind their wife's back, but the character and reputation of a politician is pretty important to the buy in you'll get from the tax payer, and not only has he cheated on his wife but he's also broken the rules that he advocates on a daily basis.....if he had any shred of integrity after his previous shady behaviour then surely that's now completely gone, and he should be a man and walk away if Boris doesn't have the balls to do it himself. |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 25, 2021 18:28:28 GMT
I know this will please some on here I agree he has to go you cannot make rules for everyone and break them yourself time to walk Mr Hancock
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Post by Lobster on Jun 25, 2021 19:00:23 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-57612441Hancock is utterly hapless, isn't he? I'm not sure he's any more corrupt or incompetent than rest of them, but he's particularly bad at covering up his misdeeds. Unsurprisingly, it looks like once again he's going to get away with it. Years ago politicians would have resigned for stories like this breaking out, but there's a culture of absolutely no accountability anymore. In normal society you probably wouldn't advocate someone losing their job if they were banging around behind their wife's back, but the character and reputation of a politician is pretty important to the buy in you'll get from the tax payer, and not only has he cheated on his wife but he's also broken the rules that he advocates on a daily basis.....if he had any shred of integrity after his previous shady behaviour then surely that's now completely gone, and he should be a man and walk away if Boris doesn't have the balls to do it himself. I remember when Gordon Brown was a dead man walking after leaving his mic on and calling someone a "bigoted woman", even though she basically was. It seems tame compared to what they get away with now. I think the public got so worn down by Brexit (both sides of the debate), they have no energy to get angry about anything any more. |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 25, 2021 19:03:22 GMT
As if we’re talking about him being sacked or resigning for this, and not for the 100,000+ citizens dead on his watch.
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Post by Si on Jun 25, 2021 19:05:13 GMT
As if we’re talking about him being sacked or resigning for this, and not for the 100,000+ citizens dead on his watch. Yeah he should have gone way before this, but this is just another fuck up that he'll get away with when he should be resigning. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 25, 2021 19:06:27 GMT
As if we’re talking about him being sacked or resigning for this, and not for the 100,000+ citizens dead on his watch. The two are not unconnected. He's unprofessional and selfish, and constantly put himself and his interests ahead of the nation's safety, hence the appalling death count. It's not just him, mind. |
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Post by Lobster on Jun 26, 2021 18:22:19 GMT
Hancock finally goes but it should've happened months ago. It's not even his first known Covid breach - he was pictured in his chauffeur's car without a mask at the height of the pandemic. Then there's the small matter of him breaking the law with PPE contracts. Not once has he inspired an ounce of confidence. A disgraceful man who has used a pandemic for his own gain and should be treated as a criminal in my eyes.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 26, 2021 19:04:57 GMT
We’re still a banana republic.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 26, 2021 19:23:06 GMT
We’re still a banana republic. We will always be in a banana republic until we get your chosen ones in power. Who are they by the way |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 26, 2021 19:27:03 GMT
What are you on about?
Just stating facts mate.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 26, 2021 19:32:32 GMT
At least it's a bendy banana Republic!
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 26, 2021 19:34:24 GMT
What are you on about? Just stating facts mate. Just asking a question mate would you like to answer it |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Jun 26, 2021 20:26:33 GMT
In my defence, you didn’t use the question mark… did you?
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Post by Wortleyblue on Jun 26, 2021 21:54:10 GMT
In my defence, you didn’t use the question mark… did you? You are correct but you obviously recognised it as a question so would you kindly answer it |
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Post by Ian H Block on Jun 27, 2021 7:16:41 GMT
In my defence, you didn’t use the question mark… did you? You are correct but you obviously recognised it as a question so would you kindly answer it Whilst not wishing to speak for FOP, I think most normal people would like a Government run by people who prioritise human life before private profit. Not a big ask, but clearly too much for the hard of thinking types who populate social media sites and football message boards. |
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