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Post by agl on Oct 25, 2020 0:11:35 GMT
It never fails to amuse me how much smoke gets blown up the arse of the managers from a proportion of our fans. In terms of most embarrassing results in the history of Chester City/Chester FC. I'd say about four of the top ten have come under their watch (Stockport, Blyth, Dunston, Marine). They've failed to get us out of this league and given us nothing in terms of a cup run. But according to some they are the best thing to happen to the club since reformation! Give me strength! Neil Young did a proper job on them today. Best of luck to him and Marine in the next round. You forgot Royston and Blyth. Sadly, when they get it wrong they get it very, very wrong. The warning signs were there today in the first half but nothing really changed until Livesey was thrown up front. That's my main issue with Bern and Jonno. I just don't think they are tactically astute, particularly against teams that set up defensively. When ever we get into a battle I fear the worst. I'm not having it that we were complacent...we just weren't able to deal with Marine's game plan which anyone could have predicted. On the other hand, I think their recruitment record is on the whole pretty good. Probably sacrilege but I wonder whether they ever consider splitting up the double act because you have to question what each brings to the table that the other doesn't. Difficult to see how they can rebuild trust now but the bigger picture is just getting through the season.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Oct 25, 2020 0:17:05 GMT
East Thurrock, Dunston UTS, Royston, and now Marine joins the list of cup shockers from recent years (to name just a few!) Still bitterly embarrassed about yesterday’s result as we missed out on a potential money-spinning tie that would have helped us massively in the long run, and our performance warranted yet another early cup exit to a lower side. When studying our team news I was pleased that our managers picked a very strong team which was vital, although I had slight qualms on them only choosing one striker in Danny Elliott and a congested midfield. In my opinion we have the best midfield in the league as it oozes quality, which is quite incredible given we are operating on a shoestring budget. A few on here have mentioned that the combination of Brad Jackson and Brad Bauress doesn’t work, yet they played yesterday so I would have dropped Bauress to the bench and started Matty Hughes up front who deserved to start in my opinion. I believe our packed midfield and light strike force played a significant role in our capitulation as our midfield overdid things, our final ball was simply woeful, our lack of creativity was nowhere near the levels it had been previously (two shots on target clearly highlights that), and poor Danny Elliott was far too isolated.
Regarding the actual game, it’s a bit of a strange one to say. I actually thought it was a very open one as the ball spent a lot of its time on the ground while there weren’t many stoppages, so in fact it was quite a free-flowing end-to-end encounter. With a lack of goalmouth action and our general sluggishness though, it in fact was quite a poor match overall, and if I was to give it a rating I’d rate it as a 2/5. Also, I don’t think our performance was as shocking as some of our previous cup exits at the likes of Royston and East Thurrock which really were abominations. Our display yesterday was of course poor, but we had much more of the ball than Marine did yet we just didn’t know what to do with it and were like pedestrians in the middle. Marine do deserve the win and I’d like to congratulate them and Neil Young on their successful gameplan. I wouldn’t say they were that superb, but they set themselves out as a really solid unit who were there to frustrate us, and the longer we went without scoring the likelihood of us not winning increased. Marine did the basic things right and defended superbly, so as much as it is galling we lost I certainly hold no ill will against them.
Whatever people say this result is completely unforgivable and unacceptable because we are accountable for this and these type of results are happening far too many times. It is a catastrophe that, frustratingly, it has resulted in us missing out on thousands too which would have been a lifeline for our future. Our current squad, in my opinion, is our strongest since reformation and they can still be hailed as ‘’heroes’’ for their extremely generous gestures regarding wage cuts, although despite that it doesn’t mean they are exempt from criticism. In my view there was a distinct lack of passion and desire on show yesterday which is the bare minimum you must bring onto the pitch, and is also a rarity for a Bern and Jonno side. As much as I am still disgusted by this result I seriously do think the ‘‘Bern and Jonno out’’ comments are absurd and extremely uncalled for. Of course they are not the complete article because if they were they would be managing a club in the National League or above. On the odd occasion I am not afraid to question errors they make such as team selections, and agree that we have had some shocking results under them. If we look at the bigger picture though, we have still made a promising start in the league and have one of the strongest sides in this division, so the pain of yesterday’s result just motivates me to want us to achieve success even more. Many people from other clubs surprisingly predicted us to have a poor season in the Summer, so I am sure all of you will join me in wanting us to prove them wrong even more. The vocal negative minority may outvoice the positive majority in times like yesterday, which can be justified in some ways, but there’s still a lot to be proud of in the grand schemes of things. Anyway, up next is Curzon Ashton at home where we must get a positive response in order to avoid our annual 1-0 defeat to them 🥶.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Oct 25, 2020 0:32:26 GMT
Harry spends nearly as much time posting as rio , who, by the way has not posted any reaction yet, either he is not home yet from watching wealdstone getting beat by hayes or he not stopped crying since 4.50, onwards and upwards pal, curzon on tuesday I’ve only just had a proper chance to read all of the comments on here, hence my reaction is slightly late 👍.
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Post by oldsealandroadender on Oct 25, 2020 0:44:25 GMT
The managers seem to persevere with tactics that are not working in a game when most of us can plainly see it. Today's game seemed to be all about possession. Play it out from the back, pass the ball and keep it, even going backwards again before going forward. They seemed to think that keep doing that and we'd get one breakthrough. A team from two leagues below are going to keep it tight and try and sneak a 1-0 or take it to penalties. If you try playing football against that they are going to frustrate you. You can do that against a good team because they will try to play as well. We should have started quicker, go at them in the first twenty minutes to try and overwhelm them. Get a goal or two up in the first half then you can slow it down and then last quarter fitness should show as the opposition tire.
Sadly we aren't playing to our strengths. Elliot needs service, he's not a target man. Play to his feet, play passes to run onto or crosses for him to head. I presume he was getting that during his loan spell and that's why he was scoring a lot of goals. Last season we were playing early balls out to the wing for Jackson to run at defences and get crosses in. We've got quick players who can run at and stretch defences but keeping the ball and passing it around your own half means you've got 11 men to beat every time. By all means play a possession game but mix it up as well, don't be predictable. If you're going to play long balls then you need someone to be a target man. It seems our best target man is a centre half who is also our best centre half. So play tactics to suit the players picked not for players to play tactics they are obviously not the best at.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 1:12:07 GMT
Christ almighty 11 pages!,
Very disappointing loss, and it's typical Chester. But we're National League North we have to do 3 qualifiers to get to the first round proper we're not going to be getting into the 3rd round any more our succession of awful owners made sure of that when they put us out of business. It's a bad trend but it's 3 seasons, would we all of thrown our toys out the pram had Spennymoor beat us last round.
It's a sickner and the fact we've lost to lower league again is hard to stomach but come on guys it's not the end of the world. We could easily of lost the two games before. To talk about sacking the managers because we've lost to a team and a manager we've already sacked is reaching.
I know we all care, but I'm logging in on my break on the night shift and there's posters here who've made posts for 5 hours straight after the match saying we're the worst team ever and the managers are on thin ice.
I'm here to support my club, enjoy the highs and take the lows, so many on this forum pile on when things are bad are disappear when we win. We will lose games especially behind close doors like this, it will be a weird season. Liverpool lost 7-2 to villa, results will only get stranger. People love saying Chester till die, Blue forever... Well this odd season is the time to prove it.
If we win Tuesday and get 4 points from the two games after we'll all be top of the world again, let's keep it in proportion. volunteers run our club and players play for free sometimes including today, we are lucky to be where we are. Getting two promotions isn't going to lure 2,000 people away from the TV set to come down the Deva, we have to accept where and what we are. Bern and Jono aren't perfect but I think they suit us well and if you back the club you gain nothing from hammering them. They've yet to have what would be considered a normal season yet so lets all keep things in proportion.
Enjoy the ride and up the seals. On to Tuesday and get behind the lads.
As for the few who pile on here to cause trouble and seek attention when we lose, block or ignore them. Don't engage it's what they want.
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Post by whopper1 on Oct 25, 2020 2:25:50 GMT
They better well do. People are getting tired of repeat embarrassments Let’s be honest a handful of people may not like them but as football managers they are in two of the most safest positions in lower league/non league football. That warning you’ve shot barely leaves the barrel. Your spot on there Anders, there safe as houses, rumoured to be on 6k a month between them there's no chance they will walk or get the sack with the length of contracts there on
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Post by Moltisanti on Oct 25, 2020 7:05:30 GMT
So embarrassing. Bern and Jonno under serious threat for sure No they’re not. 😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by Moltisanti on Oct 25, 2020 7:06:07 GMT
Behave you div none youse have a bad word to say when we win because we never win you rat, people like you are why chester will remain tinpot forever. The majority of us are outraged at this We never win? 😂 I’m so embarrassed for you 😂
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Post by Moltisanti on Oct 25, 2020 7:07:37 GMT
Christ almighty 11 pages!, Very disappointing loss, and it's typical Chester. But we're National League North we have to do 3 qualifiers to get to the first round proper we're not going to be getting into the 3rd round any more our succession of awful owners made sure of that when they put us out of business. It's a bad trend but it's 3 seasons, would we all of thrown our toys out the pram had Spennymoor beat us last round. It's a sickner and the fact we've lost to lower league again is hard to stomach but come on guys it's not the end of the world. We could easily of lost the two games before. To talk about sacking the managers because we've lost to a team and a manager we've already sacked is reaching. I know we all care, but I'm logging in on my break on the night shift and there's posters here who've made posts for 5 hours straight after the match saying we're the worst team ever and the managers are on thin ice. I'm here to support my club, enjoy the highs and take the lows, so many on this forum pile on when things are bad are disappear when we win. We will lose games especially behind close doors like this, it will be a weird season. Liverpool lost 7-2 to villa, results will only get stranger. People love saying Chester till die, Blue forever... Well this odd season is the time to prove it. If we win Tuesday and get 4 points from the two games after we'll all be top of the world again, let's keep it in proportion. volunteers run our club and players play for free sometimes including today, we are lucky to be where we are. Getting two promotions isn't going to lure 2,000 people away from the TV set to come down the Deva, we have to accept where and what we are. Bern and Jono aren't perfect but I think they suit us well and if you back the club you gain nothing from hammering them. They've yet to have what would be considered a normal season yet so lets all keep things in proportion. Enjoy the ride and up the seals. On to Tuesday and get behind the lads. As for the few who pile on here to cause trouble and seek attention when we lose, block or ignore them. Don't engage it's what they want. Spot on. Great post.
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Post by Al on Oct 25, 2020 7:42:57 GMT
Let’s be honest a handful of people may not like them but as football managers they are in two of the most safest positions in lower league/non league football. That warning you’ve shot barely leaves the barrel. Your spot on there Anders, there safe as houses, rumoured to be on 6k a month between them there's no chance they will walk or get the sack with the length of contracts there on Get that off a comment on the Spennymoor fans twitter account? Complete bollocks that
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Post by lincolnexile on Oct 25, 2020 7:54:04 GMT
I think some people on here need a bit of a reality check. We’re in the second tier of non league football. Rave about how great George Glendon and Bradley Jackson are as much as you like but at the end of the day they’re playing at this level for a reason.
I think we’ve got a good hard working side this season and before we start having a go at the players or the management we need to remember that during the play offs they played for nothing and some are playing for nothing now. They’ve backed this club so now we need to do the same.
Forget about all this shit about how the managers are earning 6k a month, this board is full of posters plucking stupid numbers out of the air and regurgitating on this board so that people can use them to undermine the team, management and the board.
This season is unfortunately all about financial survival nothing else. Okay we could have done with the extra £9k from a cup win but we didn’t win, so let’s get over it and get on with it.
Live stream on Tuesday for Curzon let’s all tune and try and make up the budget deficit caused by the incompetence of the National League.
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 25, 2020 8:42:05 GMT
Harry spends nearly as much time posting as rio , who, by the way has not posted any reaction yet, either he is not home yet from watching wealdstone getting beat by hayes or he not stopped crying since 4.50, onwards and upwards pal, curzon on tuesday I’ve only just had a proper chance to read all of the comments on here, hence my reaction is slightly late 👍. Archwopper will be delighted that your post was even longer than mine. Give him something to do on a Sunday morning.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 25, 2020 9:04:10 GMT
I think some people on here need a bit of a reality check. We’re in the second tier of non league football. Rave about how great George Glendon and Bradley Jackson are as much as you like but at the end of the day they’re playing at this level for a reason. I think we’ve got a good hard working side this season and before we start having a go at the players or the management we need to remember that during the play offs they played for nothing and some are playing for nothing now. They’ve backed this club so now we need to do the same. Forget about all this shit about how the managers are earning 6k a month, this board is full of posters plucking stupid numbers out of the air and regurgitating on this board so that people can use them to undermine the team, management and the board. This season is unfortunately all about financial survival nothing else. Okay we could have done with the extra £9k from a cup win but we didn’t win, so let’s get over it and get on with it. Live stream on Tuesday for Curzon let’s all tune and try and make up the budget deficit caused by the incompetence of the National League. Here’s a reality check - we should be beating Marine at home. Especially given the financial impact, it was a plum draw for us that everyone was delighted with. People have a right to be “negative” and pissed off when we turn in performances and results like that. I don’t subscribe to the “we’re a historically Football League club” gang you see on Facebook who can’t deal with the fact that we’re at this level nowadays, they’re deluded. However we are allowed to show realistic ambition and beating Marine at home in the Cup is a realistic ambition. It’s no wonder we get nowhere with the overriding “oh well, never mind, let’s move on” attitude.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 9:16:28 GMT
I think some people on here need a bit of a reality check. We’re in the second tier of non league football. Rave about how great George Glendon and Bradley Jackson are as much as you like but at the end of the day they’re playing at this level for a reason. I think we’ve got a good hard working side this season and before we start having a go at the players or the management we need to remember that during the play offs they played for nothing and some are playing for nothing now. They’ve backed this club so now we need to do the same. Forget about all this shit about how the managers are earning 6k a month, this board is full of posters plucking stupid numbers out of the air and regurgitating on this board so that people can use them to undermine the team, management and the board. This season is unfortunately all about financial survival nothing else. Okay we could have done with the extra £9k from a cup win but we didn’t win, so let’s get over it and get on with it. Live stream on Tuesday for Curzon let’s all tune and try and make up the budget deficit caused by the incompetence of the National League. Here’s a reality check - we should be beating Marine at home. Especially given the financial impact, it was a plum draw for us that everyone was delighted with. People have a right to be “negative” and pissed off when we turn in performances and results like that. I don’t subscribe to the “we’re a historically Football League club” gang you see on Facebook who can’t deal with the fact that we’re at this level nowadays, they’re deluded. However we are allowed to show realistic ambition and beating Marine at home in the Cup is a realistic ambition. It’s no wonder we get nowhere with the overriding “oh well, never mind, let’s move on” attitude. I agree with what you’ve just said Frank, yesterday was embarrassing again. People have a right to air their views especially when we can’t air them at the ground post game. I think what gets to people, me anyway is when the usual doom mongers, negative buggers who’ve been doing it for years no matter who has been in charge. If we beat (a big IF) Curzon on Tuesday night we’ll go joint top of the league yet quite a few on here a suggesting a managerial change, it’s bewildering. Yes Blyth was embarrassing, yes Dunston was embarrassing, yes Royston was embarrassing but managers don’t get sacked because of results from two years ago or a year ago. Without having the stats I’d imagine the managers LOSS ratio is pretty low compared to the amount of games played it’s just that at least once a season we get these traumatic results. Yesterday was nothing like Royston as bad as the result was. At Royston we got hammered all over the pitch, yesterday we lacked quality in an area of the pitch that we’ve looked so good in so far. Yes, I’m fuming about yesterday but the turnaround in the club since the managers have come in has been that of 360 degrees. We pushed for the playoffs in their first season and got to them last season. Guiseley nearly fell through the trap door when they got relegated with us two years ago and Chorley have now lost four from four. They’re very good managers but they have this really weird knack of being able to come up with the most embarrassing of results.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 25, 2020 9:22:01 GMT
I'm slightly bemused as to why some supporters appear to be surprised by the level of frustration. I think they're missing the point.
Many acknowledge that this season's priority is survival and yesterday represented a golden opportunity to take another step toward achieving that.
The way we went about it (whether you blame the managers, players or both) fell too short to be believed. It would have been a poor home effort against a fellow NLN side nevermind a side two leagues below.
Yes we need to put the game behind us but I remain worried about the impact of missing out in those extra funds - funds that were there for the taking.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 25, 2020 9:22:21 GMT
Here’s a reality check - we should be beating Marine at home. Especially given the financial impact, it was a plum draw for us that everyone was delighted with. People have a right to be “negative” and pissed off when we turn in performances and results like that. I don’t subscribe to the “we’re a historically Football League club” gang you see on Facebook who can’t deal with the fact that we’re at this level nowadays, they’re deluded. However we are allowed to show realistic ambition and beating Marine at home in the Cup is a realistic ambition. It’s no wonder we get nowhere with the overriding “oh well, never mind, let’s move on” attitude. I agree with what you’ve just said Frank, yesterday was embarrassing again. People have a right to air their views especially when we can’t air them at the ground post game. I think what gets to people, me anyway is when the usual doom mongers, negative buggers who’ve been doing it for years no matter who has been in charge. If we beat (a big IF) Curzon on Tuesday night we’ll go joint top of the league yet quite a few on here a suggesting a managerial change, it’s bewildering. Yes Blyth was embarrassing, yes Dunston was embarrassing, yes Royston was embarrassing but managers don’t get sacked because of results from two years ago or a year ago. Without having the stats I’d imagine the managers LOSS ratio is pretty low compared to the amount of games played it’s just that at least once a season we get these traumatic results. Yesterday was nothing like Royston as bad as the result was. At Royston we got hammered all over the pitch, yesterday we lacked quality in an area of the pitch that we’ve looked so good in so far. Yes, I’m fuming about yesterday but the turnaround in the club since the managers have come in has been that of 360 degrees. We pushed for the playoffs in their first season and got to them last season. Guiseley nearly fell through the trap door when they got relegated with us two years ago and Chorley have now lost four from four. They’re very good managers but they have this really weird knack of being able to come up with the most embarrassing of results. Spot on. I’d like to add that the quality of players we have for our budget are purely down to the want to play for these managers, that shouldn’t be underestimated by those calling for their heads.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 9:30:28 GMT
Turn your computer off and go to bed, we arent going to sack them, so you might as well go and kick the cat or something if you need to release your pent up frustration... Either that, or grow up I never said we could sack them did I. We are stuck with this pair unfortunately, but unlike some clowns, I don’t lick their arses just because they are seen as ‘the lads’. We’ve win four games this season Billy and lost two. Guess which two you’ve posted on?
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Post by Al on Oct 25, 2020 9:34:51 GMT
I really like the managers, cannot question their commitment or how theyve immersed themselves in the club since their arrival.
What i just find frustrating is the change of system for what was a huge game financially for us, a change that didnt work yet we continued to stick with it.
The lads for all their plus points still seem far too slow to react to whats infront of them. 2 shots on target all game v Marine should tell you all you need to know
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Post by g1 on Oct 25, 2020 9:36:17 GMT
There was a mention on this thread that this league is stronger than when we won it that is maybe but I can think of 7 players from that title winning team that could walk into this team Danby Horan Sarcevic Howard Gray Jarman Simms All better than what we have now leaders and class players
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Post by Lobster on Oct 25, 2020 9:37:03 GMT
The virus makes these stats sound worse than they really are, but we actually haven't kept a clean sheet since January! On a more positive note, yesterday was also the first time we've failed to score since then.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 9:41:40 GMT
There was a mention on this thread that this league is stronger than when we won it that is maybe but I can think of 7 players from that title winning team that could walk into this team Danby Horan Sarcevic Howard Gray Jarman Simms All better than what we have now leaders and class players What is your point here? Players that won this league by a record amount of points will always be well remembered. This squad on the other hand is a set of rejects from managers to Weeks. Gray - released by Carlisle after playing a handful of games. K.Roberts - released by Wrexham Taylor - released by Kidderminster Livesey - released by Salford Grand - released by Fylde Jackson - SIGNED from Ashton Johnston - SIGNED from Altrincham Glendon - free agent Elliott - free agent Bauress - released from Southport
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Post by Lobster on Oct 25, 2020 9:42:02 GMT
There was a mention on this thread that this league is stronger than when we won it that is maybe but I can think of 7 players from that title winning team that could walk into this team Danby Horan Sarcevic Howard Gray Jarman Simms All better than what we have now leaders and class players There's an impression that the league is stronger because there are bigger teams and more money in it, but team for team, player for player, the standard was way better five or six years ago. In fact I think that's true of all levels of football. It's probably a byproduct of fewer and fewer kids growing up playing football.
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Post by billyw on Oct 25, 2020 9:43:28 GMT
I never said we could sack them did I. We are stuck with this pair unfortunately, but unlike some clowns, I don’t lick their arses just because they are seen as ‘the lads’. We’ve win four games this season Billy and lost two. Guess which two you’ve posted on? Err probably because I only comment on the games I’ve seen.
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Post by chesterken on Oct 25, 2020 9:44:54 GMT
I am over it now I admit to being a bit tetchy yesterday during and after the game yesterday and for that reason I tend not to post much until I calm down, for me it’s all about the week ahead and how we react. I personally don’t see the point in the usual witch hunt every time we play poorly and lose a game.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 9:45:36 GMT
We’ve win four games this season Billy and lost two. Guess which two you’ve posted on? Err probably because I only comment on the games I’ve seen and don’t post just to get my numbers up, unlike some on here. You’re a troll. You posted over TEN times after the BPA game but didn’t post once after the Kings Lynn one. You’ve posted after the two defeats this season but none after the four wins. I’m no happyclapper and will call each game as I see them but you and others only post when we lose, FACT!
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Post by Moltisanti on Oct 25, 2020 9:47:45 GMT
We’ve win four games this season Billy and lost two. Guess which two you’ve posted on? Err probably because I only comment on the games I’ve seen. 😂😂 course you do.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 9:48:20 GMT
There was a mention on this thread that this league is stronger than when we won it that is maybe but I can think of 7 players from that title winning team that could walk into this team Danby Horan Sarcevic Howard Gray Jarman Simms All better than what we have now leaders and class players There's an impression that the league is stronger because there are bigger teams and more money in it, but team for team, player for player, the standard was way better five or six years ago. In fact I think that's true of all levels of football. It's probably a byproduct of fewer and fewer kids growing up playing football. I respectfully disagree. Look at the previous clubs of players playing at this level now in terms of league experience as opposed to back then. We had the pick of the majority of non-league players in the north west back then. Howard from Ashton, Sarcevic from Woodley, Jarman, Simms etc all well know local non-league players.
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Post by Moltisanti on Oct 25, 2020 9:49:08 GMT
Err probably because I only comment on the games I’ve seen and don’t post just to get my numbers up, unlike some on here. You’re a troll. You posted over TEN times after the BPA game but didn’t post once after the Kings Lynn one. You’ve posted after the two defeats this season but none after the four wins. I’m no happyclapper and will call each game as I see them but you and others only post when we lose, FACT! Oh dear Billy, oh dear. A man who gets his kicks off his own team getting beat. Oh dear indeed.
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Post by billyw on Oct 25, 2020 9:51:30 GMT
Err probably because I only comment on the games I’ve seen and don’t post just to get my numbers up, unlike some on here. You’re a troll. You posted over TEN times after the BPA game but didn’t post once after the Kings Lynn one. You’ve posted after the two defeats this season but. It after the four wins. I’m no happyclapper and will call each game as I see them but you and others only post when we lose, FACT! Bloody hell, what sort of sad life do you have, checking back on old posts. I repeat I do not comment on games I haven’t seen. I dint have to explain myself to the likes of you but for your information i was at a meeting the evening of the Kings Lynn game and reluctantly had to miss it. My commitments mean I can’t see every game but I still buy a season ticket - do you?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 9:52:31 GMT
I'm slightly bemused as to why some supporters appear to be surprised by the level of frustration. I think they're missing the point. Many acknowledge that this season's priority is survival and yesterday represented a golden opportunity to take another step toward achieving that. The way we went about it (whether you blame the managers, players or both) fell too short to be believed. It would have been a poor home effort against a fellow NLN side nevermind a side two leagues below. Yes we need to put the game behind us but I remain worried about the impact of missing out in those extra funds - funds that were there for the taking. I’ve not read many posts that are suggesting surprise at yesterday’s reaction to the result. I’m seeing the usual suspects popping up after only a defeat. I don’t know Oaks Blue, Anders, Moltisonti, McNally, Lobster, Si etc but they always give an honest account win or lose. rcb, BillyW, btb, tarvinblue only post when we lose, FACT! Why, because they’re either trolls or enjoy seeing their team lose. On the other side of the coin you have the likes of Frank and agl who post quite frequently that don’t sit on any specific side of the fence but at times bring really good debate.
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