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Post by Frustrated on Apr 30, 2017 20:39:13 GMT
Hopefully the 30 percent review and evaluation process you elude to will be comprehensively evaluated by people with professional backgrounds, not the amateurs we unfortunately currently have at the helm . I don't mean that as a pop at the status quote, it is merely observation of reality . The remaining actions will be signed off by the auditors as completed or outstanding with further action required Wow, that is really comforting, possibly the type of auditors that undertook work in the past few years at the KC Stadium and Edgeley Park!!
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Post by richard on Apr 30, 2017 20:46:34 GMT
The remaining actions will be signed off by the auditors as completed or outstanding with further action required Wow, that is really comforting, possibly the type of auditors that undertook work in the past few years at the KC Stadium and Edgeley Park!! Have a day off. It's our own qualified auditors. Do you see conspiracy in everything?
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Post by Mr Nosey on Apr 30, 2017 20:53:30 GMT
Wow, that is really comforting, possibly the type of auditors that undertook work in the past few years at the KC Stadium and Edgeley Park!! Have a day off. It's our own qualified auditors. Do you see conspiracy in everything? Not being rude, but Are you Richard Lynes of the former Chester City Supporters Trust ?
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Post by richard on Apr 30, 2017 20:58:00 GMT
Have a day off. It's our own qualified auditors. Do you see conspiracy in everything? Not being rude, but Are you Richard Lynes of the former Chester City Supporters Trust ? That's me.
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Post by Frustrated on Apr 30, 2017 20:59:08 GMT
Wow, that is really comforting, possibly the type of auditors that undertook work in the past few years at the KC Stadium and Edgeley Park!! Have a day off. It's our own qualified auditors. Do you see conspiracy in everything? Only poorly run football clubs .
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Post by richard on Apr 30, 2017 21:02:23 GMT
The Club have appointed people over the last few years as Chairman who have had considerable business knowledge but no football expertise that is where the Club has gone wrong; would imagine football is run differently to a normal Monday to Friday business, ie decisions would have to be made 24/7 on Players etc, going forward the Club needs to have people on the Board with football knowledge and not just other assets. It will be interesting to see if anyone with such skills stand for election won't it?
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Post by Frustrated on Apr 30, 2017 21:13:04 GMT
The Club have appointed people over the last few years as Chairman who have had considerable business knowledge but no football expertise that is where the Club has gone wrong; would imagine football is run differently to a normal Monday to Friday business, ie decisions would have to be made 24/7 on Players etc, going forward the Club needs to have people on the Board with football knowledge and not just other assets. It will be interesting to see if anyone with such skills stand for election won't it? richard, if you are not a a current board member, or dare I say it , a current paid employee then you will definitely recive my nomination and the requisite number of seconded.
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Post by TheTheremin on Apr 30, 2017 21:13:55 GMT
Have a day off. It's our own qualified auditors. Do you see conspiracy in everything? Only poorly run football clubs . Get a grip. A poorly run club at this level loses £10-20k a week, has nothing in the bank and relies on a single benefactor. We lost how much in the last year? You answer it. How much? Like I said just get a grip.
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Post by Frustrated on Apr 30, 2017 21:25:12 GMT
Only poorly run football clubs . Get a grip. A poorly run club at this level loses £10-20k a week, has nothing in the bank and relies on a single benefactor. We lost how much in the last year? You answer it. How much? Like I said just get a grip. Lets renew this conversation in August, and I take no delight in penning this, when a fiscal review is undertaken of sponsorship acquisition and season ticket sales .
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Post by richard on Apr 30, 2017 21:31:44 GMT
It will be interesting to see if anyone with such skills stand for election won't it? richard, if you are not a a current board member, or dare I say it , a current paid employee then you will definitely recive my nomination and the requisite number of seconded. Heh, I am neither a board member nor paid employee, just a fan and volunteer. I'm afraid that recent poor health and some other commitments will prevent me from standing at this time. The point I was making was that it would be interesting to see if anyone with football experience would stand. Thanks though
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Post by TheTheremin on Apr 30, 2017 21:37:39 GMT
Get a grip. A poorly run club at this level loses £10-20k a week, has nothing in the bank and relies on a single benefactor. We lost how much in the last year? You answer it. How much? Like I said just get a grip. Lets renew this conversation in August, and I take no delight in penning this, when a fiscal review is undertaken of sponsorship acquisition and season ticket sales . I'm cool with that. Let's do it. In the meantime get yourself signed up to CFU and help fix what you see as the problems. Do something positive. Ta.
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Post by Frustrated on Apr 30, 2017 21:39:27 GMT
richard, if you are not a a current board member, or dare I say it , a current paid employee then you will definitely recive my nomination and the requisite number of seconded. Heh, I am neither a board member nor paid employee, just a fan and volunteer. I'm afraid that recent poor health and some other commitments will prevent me from standing at this time. The point I was making was that it would be interesting to see if anyone with football experience would stand. Thanks though Look after yourself.
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Post by bluesince72 on May 1, 2017 1:39:23 GMT
Exactly! Or more precisely 'can we afford to have a highly paid employee performing the tasks proper to that role? We will/can not give the manager a competitive budget, yet we reduce what is available to fund the bread and butter side of the club by employing a CEO. Whether he is the right person is a second order question, I have no idea whether he is a good CEO or not, however, his track record does not exactly inspire confidence. Do we need a CEO? In an ideal world with funds to spare yes. The tasks he performs need to be done, but at this critical juncture in the clubs history, surely it would make more sense to spread them out amonst voluteers/board members, and make that post redundent. Adding the saved wage bill to the playing budget. Nothing a CEO can do could bring in more revenue than a winning team.... The Governance Work Group completed a root and branch review of the club's processes and procedures a little over 12 months ago. The detailed results of that audit were passed the the board for action. One of the key recommendations was to significantly improve the day to day management of the business, where consistent improvements were urgently required. It was clear that despite their best efforts and the cost of significant personal sacrifice, volunteers could only go so far in terms of moving the business forward. The appointment of the CEO quickly followed, however it should be noted that the CFU board were of a mind to create such a post before receiving the Audit Report . Strategically speaking, completely the right thing to do. In the time that has passed since the appointment of the CEO more than 70 percent of the Audit actions have been completed as a direct result of the CEO's intervention and personal effort. The remaining 30 percent is in the process of review and action. Mark McGuire has met with the Work Group and regularly updates are received on progress. This work has seen significant progress in process, procedure and work practices. The role is very much required. The individual who performs this role will be judged on progress by the elected board on his objectives. I fully trust them to do this on our behalf. I wish I shared your confidence. Yes Im sure this review will make efficiency savings, and any number of small behind the scenes improvements that will payoff in the long run, the 3G pitches etc. BUT the club faces an immediate crisis, we need changes now, or risk becoming the best run club in the National League North. The club is declining, its hemorrhaging support, its image is becoming one of a cautious, financially tight ship going nowhere where it matters, on the pitch, and with little hope or propect of doing so anytime soon, and this is spreading disillusionment. And that is THE problem. Bottom line, we need a bloody good sales pitch to the supporters in order to prevent a huge drop in season tickets, we need a new manager, and then to fund a competitive squad to reverse the falling gates. Hope the 30% includes ideas to achieve this and soon ...
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Post by Fed up on May 1, 2017 4:17:32 GMT
Without Mark who does all the commercial work? Genuinely amazed people are so against Mark, maybe because we've always had someone at the top to press the blame on such as Smith, Vaughan etc... Mark gave Macca the contract and you all were happy with it. Mark has done a lot of work for the club in 10-11 months even though he hasn't been here long enough to start having a full impact (he said this would take 18 months) He is professional and knows what he is doing, the CFU board are volunteers and may struggle for professionalism as a club (not having a pop thats just how it is) so to have someone with proper football business experience is key for us. I fully back Mark and I am confident we will be far better off with him. Some things from the recent CFU meeting: Mark Maguire did a presentation on what he has added to the club to address the concerns of fans. He told the board at the time of the interview that it would take 18 months for him to have a full impact and he stands by that now having a CEO costs £17k a year more than a commercial manager (I.e Tracey Smith) Having meetings with Bank of America regarding continuing their connection with the club following their sale of MBNA Lots of conversations going on - want to tell you about what's happening but can't it's confirmed - need to be judged over a period of time He's never been more confident that in he is now that he is going to deliver commercial and financial success for CFC Sponsorship was a mess when he came and a number of sponsor boards in the ground hadn't been paid for for a year or sometimes two years which had mostly been resolved now There were examples of businesses being asked if they wanted to purchase an advertising board who had turned down the opportunity but the boards were still produced Abbey gate college one example of that - now they have linked with community trust to do outreach work for lonely people in rural area, which helped them get funding for 3G pitch and now will be sponsoring the club He recovered the total fitness sponsorship which CFC was going to lose - which saves the club £14k a year in gym memberships - this will continue next year as well He recovered the maxi flow sponsorship which saves the club £8k a year There are a number of things he has done that have not delivered profit but have provided large savings such as alcohol sponsorship, he estimated this "other savings" had saved the club a total of £38k He had made the club £5k in up sales on advertising existing sponsors Overall new deals made during his time as CEO had generated the club £21.5kAnother new sponsor expected in the next month would save the club £9k a year for 3 years He is currently working on further income through stadium revenues which would result in a £37.5k a year income for the club, but this was still in the "pipeline" Perception of club commercially - had to make self unpopular to prevent others from approaching sponsors - upset fundraising group at times - can damage our commercial integrity if we keep going "cap in hand" to particular businesses instead of establishing a strategy He was building key relationship - dozens over a period of time 2 key initiatives in the next few months:- "100 club" - recruitment of 100 companies paying £1000 each to be part of a group of business which would provide networking and community outreach opportunities, not going to deliver 100 in year one but hopefully 30 or so in the first year and 100 in the second year "Affinity marketing" - establishing a marketplace for everyone interested in CFC where you can benefit the club by buying goods and services from businesses that would then contribute to Chester FC. He is already in talks with a betting site and its expected to bring the club £5k in commissions. A number of energy companies have also expressed an interest and other businesses such as broadband providers, barbers, printers, restaurants etc were being contacted. He stressed that he is a Chief Executive as well as a Commercial Manager. He said that he had helped steer the good work of those involved in the youth set up. Had protected club in terms of FA, fought them twice this season and "won both." It had taken up a lot of his time, but by appealing the charges it saved money, integrity and morale - took a week and a half to collect the info on the Wrexham incident and In the end CFC submitted a 20 page document to the FA which resulted in the charges being dropped. Hotels for away travel - last year when we stayed away it was £2.5k a time Having worked in the hotel industry, he negotiated better deals so it's now £1.9k a timeTicketing - nobody knew who floating fans were Now got software to communicate with people The current approach is rather than give away free tickets which creates market for free tickets and doesn't bring data, we do initiatives which collects data and we will be trying to get them back Season ticket campaigns People look at Bradford City - £149 in March then went up each month after that Cash flow the reason, most football league clubs need cash after they receive their central funding in January/February time - hence why they launch their campaign early We don't have that cash flow problem - no need to release them early unless need to It makes sense to launch the campaign on the back of positive things - if we were in a promotion plus we would have done it by now Results been awful so not done that It has to be on back of some positives for next season Mark's "fault" but stands by it The new season ticket package is going to address some of demographic issues in the crowd Going to be great Online shop - We have collected data and there are more improvements to come Want to make it easier to buy from us Make it too difficult here at the moment and that will be solved with technology and a big piece of work Mark's connection with David Felgate was instrumental in getting him to come to the club Sam Hughes - Mark managed to convince the board to turn down bid from Barnsley - confident will come to fruition in the coming weeks - "judge me on that" We had previously struggled with car boot sales and had made a loss on occasions Mark got someone with experience of car boot sales to run it and the club are now forecasting £7k-£10k a year from the car boot sale once up and running Does this not give you confidence that Mark is doing his job? No? Baffled.D He is professional and knows what he is doing
Did he know what he was doing at Stockport? If he did, did he deliberately get them into the state where they sacked him? Lots of conversations going on - want to tell you about what's happening but can'tAre you his love child? Does he tell you, and only you, all his secrets and swear you to secrecy? If you can't state a fact on here, why try and start an unfounded rumour? You make yourself look silly. Overall new deals made during his time as CEO had generated the club £21.5kLike what, for example? Give us the info and the figures to prove this is true. "100 club" - recruitment of 100 companies paying £1000 each to be part of a group of business which would provide networking and community outreach opportunities, not going to deliver 100 in year one but hopefully 30 or so in the first yearSo how many of those 30 has he recruited and can you name which ones have paid £1000 this year? Hotels for away travel - last year when we stayed away it was £2.5k a time Having worked in the hotel industry, he negotiated better deals so it's now £1.9k a timeHow many of them were on a par with those used last year? When you drop a class (or three) you're bound to pay less, especially when some are so far away from the town in which we were playing! Does this not give you confidence that Mark is doing his job?Not at all, especially when he gets a plant to try and drum up support by spouting stuff like this without backing any of it up.
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Post by Harry Lime on May 1, 2017 7:56:23 GMT
I would ask the question "Can we afford not to have a CEO?"
Given the view of most that a board of amateurs cannot be expected to run a football club at this level, and increase revenue etc etc. We do need someone with professional experience to run the club on a day to day basis.
Sponsors are mainly professional people who expect a professional to deal with, during the working day, on an ongoing basis.
Without a CEO or equivalent, we might be a lot worse off.
We can only judge them on the results of what they bring in.
We're all upset and annoyed at the performances and results on the pitch, that colours our view of the off field stuff too. We do need to separate those views at times. Not easy.
All we mainly care about is the first team. When that is going well we're all happy. Then we look at the youth side, and we're proud of that too. Then we look at the sponsors, and are pleased.
Reality is, all this needs to be done every day, week in week out. Regardless of the success on the pitch. In fact that all becomes more difficult too, when the first team isn't successful. How many sponsors want to be aligned to a team bottom of the league? We become more difficult to sell. Then we need a CEO and Marketing team even more.
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Post by Blue Skies on May 1, 2017 8:06:53 GMT
I would ask the question "Can we afford not to have a CEO?"Given the view of most that a board of amateurs cannot be expected to run a football club at this level, and increase revenue etc etc. We do need someone with professional experience to run the club on a day to day basis. Sponsors are mainly professional people who expect a professional to deal with, during the working day, on an ongoing basis. Without a CEO or equivalent, we might be a lot worse off. We can only judge them on the results of what they bring in. We're all upset and annoyed at the performances and results on the pitch, that colours our view of the off field stuff too. We do need to separate those views at times. Not easy. All we mainly care about is the first team. Universal that is going well we're all happy. Then we look at the youth side, and we're proud of that too. Then we look at the sponsors, and are pleased. Reality is, all this needs to be done every day, week in week out. Regardless of the success on the pitch. In fact that all becomes more difficult too, when the first team doesn't successful. How many sponsors want to be aligned to a team bottom of the league? We become more difficult to sell. Then we need a CEO and Marketing team even more. If we are a National League club with aspirations to do better then we need one. If we get relegated next season to the Conference North, as many on here fear, then the answer is we can not afford a CEO or full time football secretary. Perhaps a silver lining for the pessimistic ?
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Post by Fed up on May 1, 2017 17:50:46 GMT
So what has Mark Maguire actually done for our football club?? He's a massive fraud and robbing a wage off us!! Gives it all the CEO spiel in his interview which he is an expert at. All talk and no action. Seems the 'kids' on here posting positive things about him have no idea at all. We go more games blah blah we should have a vote blah blah - Fantastic well done. Keep being positive about Mr Maguire because your in a minority trust me! He's taking the club no where and is in no fit state to be advising our board on decisions etc - Giving Macca a longer deal was very shortsighted and sick to death of his boring interviews - Protecting the club etc etc did that well at Stockport. Maguire and McCarthy = Guranteed relegation next season and I'm sure you will all be still so positive about MM Chester FC a club going no where on and off the pitch. There's a very detailed and exhaustive list posted by Dodge on the City Fans United Meeting thread which explains precisely what Maguire has brought to the club in the last year.
Perhaps you should bother to read it before ranting such nonsense.A lot of which has been shown to be sycophantic nonsense. Perhaps you should bother to read it before prattling such arrant nonsense!
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Post by Deva Chanter on May 1, 2017 19:17:24 GMT
There's a very detailed and exhaustive list posted by Dodge on the City Fans United Meeting thread which explains precisely what Maguire has brought to the club in the last year.
Perhaps you should bother to read it before ranting such nonsense. A lot of which has been shown to be sycophantic nonsense. Perhaps you should bother to read it before prattling such arrant nonsense! Could you kindly explain to me how any of that statement from Mark Maguire has been "shown to be sycophantic nonsense" you absolute moron?
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Post by Blue Trev on May 1, 2017 20:53:49 GMT
After looking through Maguire’s purported acheivements, I an also remain to be convinced that much of that listed could not have been achieved without a highly paid CEO. But more much importantly, if as alleged, Hwas instrumental in securing McCarthy’s contract extension then that surely that outweighs anything positive he has actually achieved. Given that we are now seemingly stuck with an utterly inept and clueless manager, who will without any doubt lead us to certain relegation next season and the serious financial consequences which will result. I despair.
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Post by Fed up on May 2, 2017 0:12:52 GMT
A lot of which has been shown to be sycophantic nonsense. Perhaps you should bother to read it before prattling such arrant nonsense! Could you kindly explain to me how any of that statement from Mark Maguire has been "shown to be sycophantic nonsense" you absolute moron? Read it yourself and weep. And if all you can do is resort to insults, then you're more of a cretin than everybody believed you were already!
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Post by iandychesterfc on May 2, 2017 9:04:41 GMT
Annoyingly, it's people like 'fed up' who are giving the guest posters a bad name whilst there are some decent ones adding to this forum.
Ending guest posting won't stop this chap coming on here spouting his bilge mind, as he's the type to register anyway.
What DC is saying is MM has saved us money (i read a comment that the hotels might not have been as good - my lord, seriously?!) in various different areas as well as doing the job Ollorenshaw hired him to do which was make the club more streamlined and more professional. Added into that the fact he addressed the ad boards, maxiflow deal and engaged another sponsor as well as sorting it so the car boot sales are managed properly, i fail to see what has been stated to be 'sycophantic'.
Yes these are little things, but they are important when it comes to ensuring we have the best playing budget we can achieve. In the absence of a full board due to (in some parts) people like yourself constantly sniping making the job nigh on impossible to put up with, MM has had to take on much more for the club that originally outlined.
I'm not his pal, i can honestly say i've never spoken to the man and i do believe that commercially, other than the online ticketing the club is not doing great. However, despite thinking he should be doing better, i am prepared to give credit for what he has/is doing whilst also waiting to see what steps he takes next to address the falling attendances.
But that's because i'm rational.
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Post by Deva Chanter on May 2, 2017 10:43:04 GMT
Could you kindly explain to me how any of that statement from Mark Maguire has been "shown to be sycophantic nonsense" you absolute moron? Read it yourself and weep. And if all you can do is resort to insults, then you're more of a cretin than everybody believed you were already!Writing that suggests you didn't even realise how ironic that statement is
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Post by billyw on May 2, 2017 12:06:13 GMT
Could you kindly explain to me how any of that statement from Mark Maguire has been "shown to be sycophantic nonsense" you absolute moron? Read it yourself and weep. And if all you can do is resort to insults, then you're more of a cretin than everybody believed you were already! A bit of an own goal there
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Post by YELLOW CARD on May 2, 2017 13:31:38 GMT
I see from earlier on in the thread that "Richard" is a Richard Lynes; who if I remember correctly was a Director of the old Club Chester City, when Stephen Vaughan was Chairman. Also from the detailed post above it sets out things that Mark Maguire states he gets involved in, part of that being the football side of the Club if so, surely that means both he and Tony Allen are doing duplicate work, surely that is a cause for the Board to look into a cross over of roles? And why is this allowed to happen?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 13:33:01 GMT
Annoyingly, it's people like 'fed up' who are giving the guest posters a bad name whilst there are some decent ones adding to this forum. Ending guest posting won't stop this chap coming on here spouting his bilge mind, as he's the type to register anyway. What DC is saying is MM has saved us money (i read a comment that the hotels might not have been as good - my lord, seriously?!) in various different areas as well as doing the job Ollorenshaw hired him to do which was make the club more streamlined and more professional. Added into that the fact he addressed the ad boards, maxiflow deal and engaged another sponsor as well as sorting it so the car boot sales are managed properly, i fail to see what has been stated to be 'sycophantic'. Yes these are little things, but they are important when it comes to ensuring we have the best playing budget we can achieve. In the absence of a full board due to (in some parts) people like yourself constantly sniping making the job nigh on impossible to put up with, MM has had to take on much more for the club that originally outlined. I'm not his pal, i can honestly say i've never spoken to the man and i do believe that commercially, other than the online ticketing the club is not doing great. However, despite thinking he should be doing better, i am prepared to give credit for what he has/is doing whilst also waiting to see what steps he takes next to address the falling attendances. But that's because i'm rational. I think this is bang on. Again, I have only met MM once to say hello to, but know people who work with him at the club. People who have worked with previous employees in a similar role and rate him better than them (albeit that may not be a glowing assessment). I don't know how he is performing as an individual, but what I do know from experience is that someone is needed in that role (as is borne out by Richard Lynes post above). Whilst the role is predominantly a commercial one, there are also so many other strands that need pulling together. Business practise, health and safety, utilities blah blah blah. Again, I don't know Mark Maguire, but I do know people within the club well enough to know that if he is not performing then he will be gone. The role I don't understand is the one of our General Manager. I would appreciate something from the board or the governance working committee to tell me the job description and targets for this role. There was no advertisement for this job, so all this information remains a mystery to the supporters and owners. I know that he does the matchday stuff for CFC. That was previously a volunteers role, so surely this isn't what we are paying a full time salary for?
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Post by Blue Skies on May 2, 2017 14:00:28 GMT
Annoyingly, it's people like 'fed up' who are giving the guest posters a bad name whilst there are some decent ones adding to this forum. Ending guest posting won't stop this chap coming on here spouting his bilge mind, as he's the type to register anyway. What DC is saying is MM has saved us money (i read a comment that the hotels might not have been as good - my lord, seriously?!) in various different areas as well as doing the job Ollorenshaw hired him to do which was make the club more streamlined and more professional. Added into that the fact he addressed the ad boards, maxiflow deal and engaged another sponsor as well as sorting it so the car boot sales are managed properly, i fail to see what has been stated to be 'sycophantic'. Yes these are little things, but they are important when it comes to ensuring we have the best playing budget we can achieve. In the absence of a full board due to (in some parts) people like yourself constantly sniping making the job nigh on impossible to put up with, MM has had to take on much more for the club that originally outlined. I'm not his pal, i can honestly say i've never spoken to the man and i do believe that commercially, other than the online ticketing the club is not doing great. However, despite thinking he should be doing better, i am prepared to give credit for what he has/is doing whilst also waiting to see what steps he takes next to address the falling attendances. But that's because i'm rational. I think this is bang on. Again, I have only met MM once to say hello to, but know people who work with him at the club. People who have worked with previous employees in a similar role and rate him better than them (albeit that may not be a glowing assessment). I don't know how he is performing as an individual, but what I do know from experience is that someone is needed in that role (as is borne out by Richard Lynes post above). Whilst the role is predominantly a commercial one, there are also so many other strands that need pulling together. Business practise, health and safety, utilities blah blah blah. Again, I don't know Mark Maguire, but I do know people within the club well enough to know that if he is not performing then he will be gone. The role I don't understand is the one of our General Manager. I would appreciate something from the board or the governance working committee to tell me the job description and targets for this role. There was no advertisement for this job, so all this information remains a mystery to the supporters and owners. I know that he does the matchday stuff for CFC. That was previously a volunteers role, so surely this isn't what we are paying a full time salary for? Lots of great common sense in the above posts which is often lacking from the more rabid posters on here. The players released have cheered me up a bit as a couple of days ago I would have happily paid off the manager but now I can see a few green shoots of hope.
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Post by sqzl on May 2, 2017 14:54:14 GMT
I think this is bang on. Again, I have only met MM once to say hello to, but know people who work with him at the club. People who have worked with previous employees in a similar role and rate him better than them (albeit that may not be a glowing assessment). I don't know how he is performing as an individual, but what I do know from experience is that someone is needed in that role (as is borne out by Richard Lynes post above). Whilst the role is predominantly a commercial one, there are also so many other strands that need pulling together. Business practise, health and safety, utilities blah blah blah. Again, I don't know Mark Maguire, but I do know people within the club well enough to know that if he is not performing then he will be gone. The role I don't understand is the one of our General Manager. I would appreciate something from the board or the governance working committee to tell me the job description and targets for this role. There was no advertisement for this job, so all this information remains a mystery to the supporters and owners. I know that he does the matchday stuff for CFC. That was previously a volunteers role, so surely this isn't what we are paying a full time salary for? Lots of great common sense in the above posts which is often lacking from the more rabid posters on here. The players released have cheered me up a bit as a couple of days ago I would have happily paid off the manager but now I can see a few green shoots of hope. I think my only gripe with MM personally is that some of his roles, are not that of a CEO, and therefore are we overpaying a man to complete a role that isn't under the usual remit for a CEO. I don;t want to go into all the in's and outs, but to me, some of his role seems to be basic procurement. Saving the club money, is very basic procurement, not what a CEO at any other company would be doing. I'm not trying to be super negative, and i hope some of his proposals bear fruit, but i can totally see why some were frustrated. The big CEO decision he did make, was to grant JM a long term contract, that realistically is the biggest decision a CEO could make, was it the right one, next season will tell. I and everyone supporting Chester sure hope it was.
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Post by richard on May 2, 2017 20:12:03 GMT
Annoyingly, it's people like 'fed up' who are giving the guest posters a bad name whilst there are some decent ones adding to this forum. Ending guest posting won't stop this chap coming on here spouting his bilge mind, as he's the type to register anyway. What DC is saying is MM has saved us money (i read a comment that the hotels might not have been as good - my lord, seriously?!) in various different areas as well as doing the job Ollorenshaw hired him to do which was make the club more streamlined and more professional. Added into that the fact he addressed the ad boards, maxiflow deal and engaged another sponsor as well as sorting it so the car boot sales are managed properly, i fail to see what has been stated to be 'sycophantic'. Yes these are little things, but they are important when it comes to ensuring we have the best playing budget we can achieve. In the absence of a full board due to (in some parts) people like yourself constantly sniping making the job nigh on impossible to put up with, MM has had to take on much more for the club that originally outlined. I'm not his pal, i can honestly say i've never spoken to the man and i do believe that commercially, other than the online ticketing the club is not doing great. However, despite thinking he should be doing better, i am prepared to give credit for what he has/is doing whilst also waiting to see what steps he takes next to address the falling attendances. But that's because i'm rational. I think this is bang on. Again, I have only met MM once to say hello to, but know people who work with him at the club. People who have worked with previous employees in a similar role and rate him better than them (albeit that may not be a glowing assessment). I don't know how he is performing as an individual, but what I do know from experience is that someone is needed in that role (as is borne out by Richard Lynes post above). Whilst the role is predominantly a commercial one, there are also so many other strands that need pulling together. Business practise, health and safety, utilities blah blah blah. Again, I don't know Mark Maguire, but I do know people within the club well enough to know that if he is not performing then he will be gone. The role I don't understand is the one of our General Manager. I would appreciate something from the board or the governance working committee to tell me the job description and targets for this role. There was no advertisement for this job, so all this information remains a mystery to the supporters and owners. I know that he does the matchday stuff for CFC. That was previously a volunteers role, so surely this isn't what we are paying a full time salary for? Mark, Can't help with the Job Description or targets associated to the role you mention above. The Governance responsibility ends with recommendations that such JD,s and targets exist. It then falls to line management to populate the documents and measures the individual accordingly.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 7:04:45 GMT
The problem with this role Richard is that with the appointment of a CEO, and a blurring over the responsibilities (Mark Maguire openly stated that it was he that did the massive amount of work required for the Wrexham game appeals) then the appointment of Tony Allen by the Operations Board of the time stinks of cronyism.
I see Mr Allen in the photographs of players signing yesterday, no doubt ensuring that the paperwork is correct for presentation to the FA. As we are both aware, and as the majority of our owners are aware, this role up until Mr Allens unadvertised appointment was carried out by a volunteer. We are now paying a salary to somebody to carry this out at a time when every penny is critical to the club.
I genuinely cannot understand how with the correct governance and guidance in place, this is allowed to happen?
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Post by YELLOW CARD on May 3, 2017 9:52:23 GMT
Looking at the comments by NWAS; Tony Allen was appointed to a paid role by the Operations Board at the time which consisted of Tony Durkin and Jim Keegan (as mentioned by someone else on another thread); if you look back at the time Allen was the Secretary at FC Halifax, we appointed him as a "General Manager",obviously to fudge his appointed position at the Club. Richard states above that the Club have audit procedures in place etc, and he is something to do with the Governance side of the Club? Yet this appointment went ahead without any transparency or audit procedures. The Club is not being run honestly and openly for the owners/cfu members at present and has not been in certain areas by individuals as mentioned in the past; I suggest Richard and the Governance Committee do the honourable thing and resign from the Governance role, as their is something a miss here. Perhaps the CFU Board would kindly update the CFU Website to show us who sits on what Committee at the Club, and also how when and who decided on the appointments at the time.
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