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Post by Krankie's Ghost on May 11, 2017 15:19:03 GMT
Fair point Sqzl, I suppose for all the bad luck we had with Aki's injury we were fortunate Alabi stayed fit. I still think that forward line with another signing is stronger than last year. It really will be interesting to see who comes in at CM, i Like Dawson, you can see where he can improve with time. I'm sure im not alone in hoping the clogger George moves on, unless he's going to be our right back option...
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Post by richard on May 11, 2017 15:42:01 GMT
With reference to my earlier post and comments from Richard and others. Please note I have no Agenda here or do I post under another name etc. My comments raised in earlier postings are to show that the Club and the Board are not in my view, being Professional in areas where they are wasting money, ie as stated earlier their is a cross over of roles with regard to CEO and General Manager, ie money being wasted on two large salaries when one would be sufficient. Apologies to reiterate; the General manager was appointed without the role being advertised, appointed by an ex Chairman who was sitting on the Operations Board while at the time Granville was the CFU Chairman; Not done in the spirit and ethos of how the Club was reformed. Also the General Manager was Secretary of the old Chester City under SV when the Club went belly up on that basis should not be allowed anywhere near the place. And looking back in the records Richard (Lynes) was a Director of the old Club also. Again as I mentioned above, the appointment last season a full time Head of Youth Academy was again waste of finance, how can you have a full time role looking after something that is part time. For example would you put a 3G pitch down and then go and a buy a new expensive lawnmower? And it should not have any baring on how a sponsor puts money into the Club, the Club/Board are their to make those decisions, and with this and others they are not being prudent and giving us fans value for money, off the pitch and this is affecting budget for on the pitch results.! Gosh, you are tiresome. You are clearly hell bent on discrediting me with your references to my time as Supporters Director for the Trust. You have an agenda, why else would you produce multiple posts, saying much the same thing every time. I look forward to your next bump on this thread....not!!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 16:11:22 GMT
those who constantly criticize the board and all the volunteers, should volunteer themselves and change things hands on if they really care
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Post by navajo on May 11, 2017 17:04:17 GMT
Quite depressing reading.
A question. Just suppose the current board and it's members were to receive a vote of no confidence, what is the suggested next step? Reading lots of criticism but not much comimg forward constructively with operationally viable alternatives.
For what its worth my thoughts.
In a democracy and co-operative ownership nothing is smooth and once the euphoria of the club's resurgence has dissipated acceptance of reality is often difficult. Whilst I understand and tend to agree with the question of the need for a club secretary and CEO in our current position, if we have any ambition to make a return to the football league full time administrators are a necessity. Whether that is palatable to those who currently question it or not, the fact is it is undeniably true.
How these roles are filled is also open to question and I agree transparency is vital in the recruitment process. It is obvious that this hasn't been the case with Mr Allen. However if the feedback I've heard is factual he is a very competant football secretary. Knowledgeable and diligent are just 2 of the words used to describe his work in the role.
In terms of whether the board members are in it for the right reasons I wholeheartedly believe that they are and that they want nothing more than for the club to be successful, eventually making the leap back to the football league. Of course this past season has been less than ideal at best and unacceptable at worst but I don't recall a thunderous clamour calling the announcement of John McCarthy's contract and 2 year appointment ludicrous, in fact the vast majority were praising the board for cutting the deal and securing Mr McCarthy's services. Watching the differences in performances post Christmas I would most certainly question the desire, effort and commitment of a number of the players rather than target McCarthy's competency.
Regarding the appointment of a full time academy coach, I 100% support it. If we are to succeed long term we have to produce our own players. This is only possible if we are prepared to be patient and invest what is a very modest sum into the project. The achievements this season have to be admired, only the very churlish would disagree. Challenging on all fronts, reaching 2 finals & a SF and progressing to the 3rd round of the FA Youth Cup, beating 2, yes 2 Football League sides along the way is a testament to Calum's work and that of the players, most of who were playing a year out of their age group.
Sam Hughes can through the academy and it's certain he will go on and generate, in our world, big money. I'm guessing the fee will be significantly more than we've spent as a club on the entire academy budget in the 6 years of its existence. Matty Waters will improve and move on I'm sure and we now have 3 more youth graduates in with the 1st team squad. The process with the help of a generous sponsor seems to be working. To top all that off the club also announced recently a fulltime scholarship programme which if we are to attract quality boys to the club is a massive benefit.
So whilst things are far from perfect there is lots of excellent stuff happening. Perhaps when questioning the board who have all ultimately supported all of this it would be good to stop and think, if they weren't in the role, who would be and what would the picture look like then?
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Post by sqzl on May 11, 2017 18:08:51 GMT
Quite depressing reading. A question. Just suppose the current board and it's members were to receive a vote of no confidence, what is the suggested next step? Reading lots of criticism but not much comimg forward constructively with operationally viable alternatives. For what its worth my thoughts. In a democracy and co-operative ownership nothing is smooth and once the euphoria of the club's resurgence has dissipated acceptance of reality is often difficult. Whilst I understand and tend to agree with the question of the need for a club secretary and CEO in our current position, if we have any ambition to make a return to the football league full time administrators are a necessity. Whether that is palatable to those who currently question it or not, the fact is it is undeniably true. How these roles are filled is also open to question and I agree transparency is vital in the recruitment process. It is obvious that this hasn't been the case with Mr Allen. However if the feedback I've heard is factual he is a very competant football secretary. Knowledgeable and diligent are just 2 of the words used to describe his work in the role. In terms of whether the board members are in it for the right reasons I wholeheartedly believe that they are and that they want nothing more than for the club to be successful, eventually making the leap back to the football league. Of course this past season has been less than ideal at best and unacceptable at worst but I don't recall a thunderous clamour calling the announcement of John McCarthy's contract and 2 year appointment ludicrous, in fact the vast majority were praising the board for cutting the deal and securing Mr McCarthy's services. Watching the differences in performances post Christmas I would most certainly question the desire, effort and commitment of a number of the players rather than target McCarthy's competency. Regarding the appointment of a full time academy coach, I 100% support it. If we are to succeed long term we have to produce our own players. This is only possible if we are prepared to be patient and invest what is a very modest sum into the project. The achievements this season have to be admired, only the very churlish would disagree. Challenging on all fronts, reaching 2 finals & a SF and progressing to the 3rd round of the FA Youth Cup, beating 2, yes 2 Football League sides along the way is a testament to Calum's work and that of the players, most of who were playing a year out of their age group. Sam Hughes can through the academy and it's certain he will go on and generate, in our world, big money. I'm guessing the fee will be significantly more than we've spent as a club on the entire academy budget in the 6 years of its existence. Matty Waters will improve and move on I'm sure and we now have 3 more youth graduates in with the 1st team squad. The process with the help of a generous sponsor seems to be working. To top all that off the club also announced recently a fulltime scholarship programme which if we are to attract quality boys to the club is a massive benefit. So whilst things are far from perfect there is lots of excellent stuff happening. Perhaps when questioning the board who have all ultimately supported all of this it would be good to stop and think, if they weren't in the role, who would be and what would the picture look like then? I respect your opinion, agree with several points but my opinion differs in regards to the full time academy role. If players are not around during the daytime all week, and only train selected evenings and play at weekends, what do you believe warrants a full time role? What difference do you believe it makes with him being full time and what is that extra time possibly being used for to warrant potentially double the part time salary? If there are no players there to coach, then I really can't accept that it will help us progress. As you pointed out Hughes is from the academy as is Waters, a part time academy. So what makes it a full time role?
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Post by Depressed on May 11, 2017 18:34:49 GMT
The sponsor of the Youth section decided that it was a full time role.
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Post by Bluearmy on May 11, 2017 19:14:23 GMT
Im under the impression that the academy team train in the week at the same time as the first team so if called up on to the first team they know the set up.
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Post by WHB on May 11, 2017 19:52:53 GMT
Appreciate the support. I just tell it as I see it, talking in fact not fantasy. I hope I am proved wrong on many the points I make for the sake of the club . I guess I'm just incredibly frustrated at the way things are progressing and the completely blinkered, delusional messages that filter out of the club and then infect certain gullible parts of our fanbase. Honestly, do these people see us selling enough season tickets and have enough fans coming through the turnstile to increase our budget when tickets aren't even on sale yet? Do they really believe in a manager that averaged less than a point a game over more than half the season and a squad of players so far that in most cases have either proven not good enough for this level or have proven unreliable over a season will lead us to a record points haul at this level, since reformation? I'd love to be convinced. Let's get to Christmas and hope that McCarthy and McGuire have proved that they don't live in a fantasy world after all. What is the difference between someone saying you live in self-congratulation land and you saying those who have a different point of view are gullible? Just asking.
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Post by WHB on May 11, 2017 19:55:57 GMT
Appreciate the support. I just tell it as I see it, talking in fact not fantasy. I hope I am proved wrong on many the points I make for the sake of the club . I guess I'm just incredibly frustrated at the way things are progressing and the completely blinkered, delusional messages that filter out of the club and then infect certain gullible parts of our fanbase. Honestly, do these people see us selling enough season tickets and have enough fans coming through the turnstile to increase our budget when tickets aren't even on sale yet? Do they really believe in a manager that averaged less than a point a game over more than half the season and a squad of players so far that in most cases have either proven not good enough for this level or have proven unreliable over a season will lead us to a record points haul at this level, since reformation? I'd love to be convinced. Let's get to Christmas and hope that McCarthy and McGuire have proved that they don't live in a fantasy world after all. What is the difference between someone saying you live in self-congratulation land and you saying those who have a different point of view are gullible? Just asking, as I think it should be even-handed.
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Post by Bemused on May 11, 2017 19:56:20 GMT
those who constantly criticize the board and all the volunteers, should volunteer themselves and change things hands on if they really care I am aware of three current CFU members who have previously been involved in the club, who care passionately about the future of the club, and have volunteerd to help, only to have their offer rejected in the past few weeks.
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Post by sqzl on May 11, 2017 19:57:28 GMT
The sponsor of the Youth section decided that it was a full time role. If that is the case then we had little choice, however I don't see how a sponsor, no matter how positive for the club they are, should dictate the way footballing matters are handled in the youth system. It was clearly working already with the production of these young lads.
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Post by Frustrated on May 11, 2017 20:11:32 GMT
those who constantly criticize the board and all the volunteers, should volunteer themselves and change things hands on if they really care I am aware of three current CFU members who have previously been involved in the club, who care passionately about the future of the club, and have volunteerd to help, only to have their offer rejected in the past few weeks. Correct, the current unsavoury mess is becoming a bit like a mirror image of "animal farm". No doubt in the near future we will have Len McCluskey co opted onto the CFU board.
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Post by richard on May 11, 2017 20:20:16 GMT
those who constantly criticize the board and all the volunteers, should volunteer themselves and change things hands on if they really care I am aware of three current CFU members who have previously been involved in the club, who care passionately about the future of the club, and have volunteerd to help, only to have their offer rejected in the past few weeks. Really, What did they offer to do? Who volunteered?
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Post by Simon O on May 11, 2017 20:48:42 GMT
I am aware of three current CFU members who have previously been involved in the club, who care passionately about the future of the club, and have volunteerd to help, only to have their offer rejected in the past few weeks. Really, What did they offer to do? Who volunteered? Richard, I don't know about the other two, but I am probably one of those refered to above and I can confirm that i offered my support to the Board at the end of the season but this was rejected. As you, and many others are aware, I was always open and honest during my time as Chairman and that is why I have decided to respond to your post directly. Simon.
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Post by richard on May 11, 2017 20:54:38 GMT
Really, What did they offer to do? Who volunteered? Richard, I don't know about the other two, but I am probably one of those refered to above and I can confirm that i offered my support to the Board at the end of the season but this was rejected. As you, and many others are aware, I was always open and honest during my time as Chairman and that is why I have decided to respond to your post directly. Simon. Simon, Really sorry to hear this. I'd be delighted if you had the time to join the Governance Work Group if you are interested?
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Post by Frustrated on May 11, 2017 20:57:58 GMT
Really, What did they offer to do? Who volunteered? Richard, I don't know about the other two, but I am probably one of those refered to above and I can confirm that i offered my support to the Board at the end of the season but this was rejected. As you, and many others are aware, I was always open and honest during my time as Chairman and that is why I have decided to respond to your post directly. Simon. Richard, your blinkered attitude to the problems is rather pathetic, and does your creditably, assuming you have some, does you no favours at all.
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Post by Simon O on May 11, 2017 20:59:48 GMT
Richard, I don't know about the other two, but I am probably one of those refered to above and I can confirm that i offered my support to the Board at the end of the season but this was rejected. As you, and many others are aware, I was always open and honest during my time as Chairman and that is why I have decided to respond to your post directly. Simon. Simon, Really sorry to hear this. I'd be delighted if you had the time to join the Governance Work Group if you are interested? Richard, will drop you a line tommorow. Simon
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Post by richard on May 11, 2017 21:13:07 GMT
Richard, I don't know about the other two, but I am probably one of those refered to above and I can confirm that i offered my support to the Board at the end of the season but this was rejected. As you, and many others are aware, I was always open and honest during my time as Chairman and that is why I have decided to respond to your post directly. Simon. Richard, your blinkered attitude to the problems is rather pathetic, and does your creditably, assuming you have some, does you no favours at all. So I'm blinkered because I didn't know and asked the question? I can only comment on how I see things and on the information to hand. I won't lose any sleep about your comments on my credibility. I do what I can for my club.
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Post by Frustrated on May 11, 2017 21:27:29 GMT
Richard, your blinkered attitude to the problems is rather pathetic, and does your creditably, assuming you have some, does you no favours at all. So I'm blinkered because I didn't know and asked the question? I can only comment on how I see things and on the information to hand. I won't lose any sleep about your comments on my credibility. I do what I can for my club. "Animal Farm" is in control, obviously you don't delve sufficiently to glean correct information. Sleep well in your Jackanory world .
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Post by Bluearmy on May 11, 2017 21:51:58 GMT
Blinkered because he asked a question and got an answer!
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Post by Blue Boy on May 11, 2017 22:12:35 GMT
When you say rejected do you mean ignored or specifically told not required ??
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Post by Simon O on May 11, 2017 22:39:07 GMT
When you say rejected do you mean ignored or specifically told not required ?? Sadly I was contacted and informed that my offer of help was not required.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 23:13:31 GMT
When you say rejected do you mean ignored or specifically told not required ?? Sadly I was contacted and informed that my offer of help was not required. Beggars belief. So sorry to hear that Simon.
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Post by Newted on May 11, 2017 23:38:54 GMT
Not really, probably explains why we've had so many chairman resign! Fighting against Richard and his little band who think they own the place!
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Post by tarvinblue on May 12, 2017 4:57:57 GMT
Richard and his merry band of friends started the rot that set in, running the club to their own agenda. Anyone remember Durkin on the microphone one home game performing as if he was the saviour? Harvey, Allan - all arrived due to their connections and not through any proper process. This all developed a culture that seems to have become embedded. It's little wonder he won't have a bad word said about the club or certain members of the management team when him and his pals played such a role behind the scenes. It's a little embarrassing to take responsibility. Laughable that even previous chairman are standing up against him. Ollerenshaw was the one chairman we've had in recent times who seemed to have a well thought out plan, with the club at heart.
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Post by Simon O on May 12, 2017 5:57:25 GMT
Not really, probably explains why we've had so many chairman resign! Fighting against Richard and his little band who think they own the place! The inaccuracy of your statement is astonishing. Richard and his governance team provide valuable support to the Board, and I called upon their services a number of times during my time as Chairman. The reasons for me stepping down were clearly documented at the time, and recent events in and around Liverpool in the rail sector have demonstrated that to be true, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory!!
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Post by grandy on May 12, 2017 7:00:34 GMT
those who constantly criticize the board and all the volunteers, should volunteer themselves and change things hands on if they really care I am aware of three current CFU members who have previously been involved in the club, who care passionately about the future of the club, and have volunteerd to help, only to have their offer rejected in the past few weeks. as a former sponsor/volunteer I made an offer to the club to raise funds , I still havnt heard anything back ! there does seem to be a mates of mates scenario going on at the club.
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Post by Frustrated on May 12, 2017 7:35:25 GMT
I am aware of three current CFU members who have previously been involved in the club, who care passionately about the future of the club, and have volunteerd to help, only to have their offer rejected in the past few weeks. as a former sponsor/volunteer I made an offer to the club to raise funds , I still havnt heard anything back ! there does seem to be a mates of mates scenario going on at the club. The current situation is extremely sad and lacking transparency, it is all quite worrying.
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Post by grandy on May 12, 2017 12:46:31 GMT
as a former sponsor/volunteer I made an offer to the club to raise funds , I still havnt heard anything back ! there does seem to be a mates of mates scenario going on at the club. The current situation is extremely sad and lacking transparency, it is all quite worrying. killing the club with kindness comes to mind!! nothing but admiration for anyone that volunteers at the club , but when other fans are offering there services and the very same volunteers are ignoring them because they feel not as qualified as the potential new volunteers , it stinks to high heaven
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Post by Iceman on May 12, 2017 12:58:31 GMT
Think Tarvin Blue has a good point I remember being told years ago in the Blues Bar by someone who knew a Board member, just after the Club reformed that Richard and his mate Durkin didn't want to get involved in the new Club as they wanted to own 49% and the new Club 51%! They were told where to go! they were never seen for ages after that; Yet he makes out on here that he is for the CFU ownership, don't think so; it's easy to say things on here and do the opposite behind the scenes!
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