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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 4, 2022 23:03:36 GMT
Rishi Sunak: “we have a problem with human rights laws in this country which make it difficult for us to achieve our objectives.”
And people scoffed when I suggested we’d elected fascism.
The PM of the U.K. will be either a fascist or a fascist (purely based on their policy announcements) elected by 0.3% of the population. Democracy.
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 5, 2022 7:52:25 GMT
Given the ongoing economic Armageddon facing the U.K. it will be interesting to know who the Tory boys on here blame for the financial meltdown. Is it the fault of Remoaners, the ‘Woke’, left-wing MSM, brown people in rubber dinghies or Jeremy Corbyn?
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Post by avfo on Aug 5, 2022 17:59:16 GMT
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Post by avfo on Aug 7, 2022 22:00:23 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 7, 2022 22:08:27 GMT
Truss: “I will never allow our democracy to be disrupted by protest.” This country has slept-walked right into 1930’s Germany. The saddest thing is there’s no real, tangible alternative on offer to the electorate.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Aug 9, 2022 11:59:40 GMT
Scary stuff. I'd have hoped we could move on from this populist shite once Boris left but it seems the circus will continue.
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 10, 2022 11:58:11 GMT
Truss: “I will never allow our democracy to be disrupted by protest.” This country has slept-walked right into 1930’s Germany. The saddest thing is there’s no real, tangible alternative on offer to the electorate. I think the leader of the opposition knows if he loses the right wing rags he doesn’t gain power so he has to walk a tightrope. Yes, he’s a bit dull and could be more forthright with some of his views, but given the latest polls it seems to be working (alongside Tory incompetence). Personally, I’d like to see what a Labour government in power can do and not smugly slap myself on my back for giving the increasingly rabid right wing Tories another 12 years in power. The way things are going we look like we could be running out of free & fair elections.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 10, 2022 12:04:46 GMT
Latest poll I saw has Truss three points ahead of Starmer and she isn’t even leader, lol.
The “any other leader and we’d be 20 points ahead” Labour right (weird there even is a Labour right tbh) are pretty quiet these days.
Agree on your last point, we need a Labour government in power but it ain’t happening any time soon. New New Labour is alienating their core voters without making a dint in the Tories usual target voter. As for free and fair elections, you may wish to take a look at some aspects of the Forde report 👀which highlighted deliberate misuse of members subs to prevent their own party coming to power.
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Post by Ian H Block on Aug 10, 2022 14:48:49 GMT
Truss: “I will never allow our democracy to be disrupted by protest.” This country has slept-walked right into 1930’s Germany. The saddest thing is there’s no real, tangible alternative on offer to the electorate. I think the leader of the opposition knows if he loses the right wing rags he doesn’t gain power so he has to walk a tightrope. Yes, he’s a bit dull and could be more forthright with some of his views, but given the latest polls it seems to be working (alongside Tory incompetence). Personally, I’d like to see what a Labour government in power can do and not smugly slap myself on my back for giving the increasingly rabid right wing Tories another 12 years in power. The way things are going we look like we could be running out of free & fair elections. How depressing that people feel we need a Daily Mail approved Labour Party.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Aug 10, 2022 17:14:54 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Aug 10, 2022 19:22:52 GMT
I think the leader of the opposition knows if he loses the right wing rags he doesn’t gain power so he has to walk a tightrope. Yes, he’s a bit dull and could be more forthright with some of his views, but given the latest polls it seems to be working (alongside Tory incompetence). Personally, I’d like to see what a Labour government in power can do and not smugly slap myself on my back for giving the increasingly rabid right wing Tories another 12 years in power. The way things are going we look like we could be running out of free & fair elections. How depressing that people feel we need a Daily Mail approved Labour Party. The problem is if we don't vote Labour it's just going to be more years of the Tories. And while some Labour MPs are c**ts, ALL Tory MPs are c**ts. A party is more than just its leader and having a different in one in power at least gives some hope of gradual change. Hold your nose and vote for them, I think. Or join the Labour Party and campaign for a change of leadership and direction. That's basically what Tory Party members did in forcing Brexit and the party's increasing shift to the populist right.
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Post by Wortleyblue on Aug 10, 2022 20:02:28 GMT
How depressing that people feel we need a Daily Mail approved Labour Party. The problem is if we don't vote Labour it's just going to be more years of the Tories. And while some Labour MPs are c**ts, ALL Tory MPs are c**ts. A party is more than just its leader and having a different in one in power at least gives some hope of gradual change. Hold your nose and vote for them, I think. Or join the Labour Party and campaign for a change of leadership and direction. That's basically what Tory Party members did in forcing Brexit and the party's increasing shift to the populist right. I would like to see something in the middle not too far right as I do think we are going but not too far left unfortunatley there doesn't seem to be anything to fit the bill. I think all politicians have lost the plot when it comes to dealing with everyday life I am at the point where I have lost the will to vote for the 1st time since I was 18 in 1971.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 10, 2022 20:49:47 GMT
not too far right as I do think we are going… Pretty sure you made your intentions known when the GE came around. Got what you wanted, can’t complain.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 11, 2022 21:24:00 GMT
Where the eff is the LOTO?
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Post by Lobster on Aug 12, 2022 22:08:41 GMT
I believe Andrew Marr has alluded to this, but would anyone else not be that surprised if Boris Johnson ended up staying on as PM?
I honestly don't think Sunak or Truss are impressing anyone and are making fools of themselves. Meanwhile, Johnson is having digs at them both while at the same time arguing that he doesn't want to make decisions. And I believe he's also never explicitly said he's stepping down, just words like "it's time to look for a new leader".
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Post by avfo on Aug 12, 2022 22:48:01 GMT
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 13, 2022 7:25:28 GMT
Who said that? All I will say about this war criminal Blair tribute act is what’s the point in getting the Tories out if you’re not going to change anything, if you’re not going to wind back their damaging policies? If you’re not going to stop the privatisation of the NHS? If you’re not going to nationalise key utility services (which is what the majority of the public want, by the way)? If you’re not going to help move 15 million people out of poverty? What’s the point? Literally may as well keep the Tories in for the rest of days.
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 13, 2022 7:35:53 GMT
Turns out Mick Lynch isn’t quite the darling of the left that everyone thought he was. The Brexiteer and Putin apologist is strong in that one unsurprisingly.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Aug 13, 2022 10:21:22 GMT
Labour's latest announcement on prepayment meters is a brilliant encapsulation of how rudderless they are. They've recognised a legitimate problem; that prepayment customers pay more than those on direct debit for no discernible reason. They've rightly called this practice 'unfair' and 'outrageous' but then their solution is to use taxpayers money to reward the energy companies for such 'outrageous' behaviour.
Beyond that, they're dishonestly advertising this policy as 'Labour will end the prepayment premium' and yet their actual announcement only covers until March 2023. Does the prepayment premium suddenly become fair again in March? Does it stop becoming outrageous all of a sudden?
The very obvious solution is to simply commit to legislating to end the bad practice but they're so beholden to corporate interests that they are incapable of proposing anything that could be viewed as even a mild threat to the system.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Aug 13, 2022 10:44:53 GMT
Labour will cut pre-paid meter bills by 8p a day 😂😂😂😂😂
Embarrassing. What are they scared of?
At the minute, Mick Lynch and Eddie Dempsey are the only actual representatives of the working class putting themselves out there.
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Aug 13, 2022 15:07:14 GMT
Labour's latest announcement on prepayment meters is a brilliant encapsulation of how rudderless they are. They've recognised a legitimate problem; that prepayment customers pay more than those on direct debit for no discernible reason. They've rightly called this practice 'unfair' and 'outrageous' but then their solution is to use taxpayers money to reward the energy companies for such 'outrageous' behaviour. Beyond that, they're dishonestly advertising this policy as 'Labour will end the prepayment premium' and yet their actual announcement only covers until March 2023. Does the prepayment premium suddenly become fair again in March? Does it stop becoming outrageous all of a sudden? The very obvious solution is to simply commit to legislating to end the bad practice but they're so beholden to corporate interests that they are incapable of proposing anything that could be viewed as even a mild threat to the system. Too busy sunning himself in apartheid Israel so he got gazumped by Ed Davey and he is now scrambling around for a package to offer. The obvious and glaring solution to the problem, nationalisation, is off table despite it being one of Keir's election pledges. Quite entertaining to see the political amateur box himself into a position whereby he can't embrace the obvious solution and stand by one of his election pledges, purely because the previous leader supports it. Genuinely laughable opposition. Thank goodness the adults are back in charge.
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Post by Maravilla on Aug 13, 2022 16:04:39 GMT
Turns out Mick Lynch isn’t quite the darling of the left that everyone thought he was. The Brexiteer and Putin apologist is strong in that one unsurprisingly. Absolutely laughable. Someone comes along advocating that people shouldn't accept huge real terms pay cuts amidst a cost of living crisis and after 12 years of stagnant wages and these predictable smears start coming out. Can we get them all out of the way at once and can you just include an allegation about antisemitism whilst we are at it?
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 13, 2022 16:22:25 GMT
Turns out Mick Lynch isn’t quite the darling of the left that everyone thought he was. The Brexiteer and Putin apologist is strong in that one unsurprisingly. Absolutely laughable. Someone comes along advocating that people shouldn't accept huge real terms pay cuts amidst a cost of living crisis and after 12 years of stagnant wages and these predictable smears start coming out. Can we get them all out of the way at once and can you just include an allegation about antisemitism whilst we are at it? Dermot O’Smeary Attachments:
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 13, 2022 16:36:03 GMT
Turns out Mick Lynch isn’t quite the darling of the left that everyone thought he was. The Brexiteer and Putin apologist is strong in that one unsurprisingly. Absolutely laughable. Someone comes along advocating that people shouldn't accept huge real terms pay cuts amidst a cost of living crisis and after 12 years of stagnant wages and these predictable smears start coming out. Can we get them all out of the way at once and can you just include an allegation about antisemitism whilst we are at it? So knocking off 4% of GDP through leaving the single market’s going to make his members richer? Laser sharp stuff.
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Post by Maravilla on Aug 13, 2022 16:57:57 GMT
Absolutely laughable. Someone comes along advocating that people shouldn't accept huge real terms pay cuts amidst a cost of living crisis and after 12 years of stagnant wages and these predictable smears start coming out. Can we get them all out of the way at once and can you just include an allegation about antisemitism whilst we are at it? So knocking off 4% of GDP through leaving the single market’s going to make his members richer? Laser sharp stuff. Someone who purports to want a Labour government spending their time peddling Daily Mail soundbites about a man who is simply asking for workers to have a pay rise in line with inflation. Do you ever stop to question which side you are actually on?
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 13, 2022 17:01:11 GMT
So knocking off 4% of GDP through leaving the single market’s going to make his members richer? Laser sharp stuff. Someone who purports to want a Labour government spending their time peddling Daily Mail soundbites about a man who is simply asking for workers to have a pay rise in line with inflation. Do you ever stop to question which side you are actually on? Did he push Brexit? Has he said some very questionable things about the Russian invasion of Ukraine? China?
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 13, 2022 17:02:42 GMT
So knocking off 4% of GDP through leaving the single market’s going to make his members richer? Laser sharp stuff. Someone who purports to want a Labour government spending their time peddling Daily Mail soundbites about a man who is simply asking for workers to have a pay rise in line with inflation. Do you ever stop to question which side you are actually on? Has he pushed something that has reduced economic output and will inevitably cause deterioration of workers’ rights and environmental protections? I know it’s what Catweazle wanted too, but unforgivably shit of him.
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Post by Maravilla on Aug 13, 2022 17:36:55 GMT
Someone who purports to want a Labour government spending their time peddling Daily Mail soundbites about a man who is simply asking for workers to have a pay rise in line with inflation. Do you ever stop to question which side you are actually on? Has he pushed something that has reduced economic output and will inevitably cause deterioration of workers’ rights and environmental protections? I know it’s what Catweazle wanted too, but unforgivably shit of him. I didn't think it would take long before Corbyn entered the discussion (I'm assuming the mature name-calling refers to him?). Still rattling around rent-free in your head even after all this time. Utterly demeaning. Someone else who wanted to stop working class people being trodden on in this country. Curious coincidence, I'm sure.
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Post by 1paulcarden on Aug 13, 2022 17:59:18 GMT
Has he pushed something that has reduced economic output and will inevitably cause deterioration of workers’ rights and environmental protections? I know it’s what Catweazle wanted too, but unforgivably shit of him. I didn't think it would take long before Corbyn entered the discussion (I'm assuming the mature name-calling refers to him?). Still rattling around rent-free in your head even after all this time. Utterly demeaning. Someone else who wanted to stop working class people being trodden on in this country. Curious coincidence, I'm sure. Okay, if it’s that clear cut (it isn’t) what do you think Brexit is?
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Post by Lobster on Aug 13, 2022 18:57:05 GMT
Someone who purports to want a Labour government spending their time peddling Daily Mail soundbites about a man who is simply asking for workers to have a pay rise in line with inflation. Do you ever stop to question which side you are actually on? Did he push Brexit? Has he said some very questionable things about the Russian invasion of Ukraine? China? Most trade unionists were pro-Brexit, although for entirely different reasons to the populist right Brexit we actually got. I wouldn't vote against someone purely because they didn't think we should be in the EU. I'd want to know what's their reasons and what do they want us to do instead. If it's just "too many foreigners" and vague points about "sovereignty", count me out.
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