|
|
Post by Lobster on Dec 16, 2023 2:13:06 GMT
Said it before, but SAG’s don’t have much power over most clubs, but they do over a fan owned club where the council own the stadium. In one way it’s a blessing and in another it’s a curse. They are effectively our landlords. Annoys me to hell that one week they want us to jump through the most unbelievable hoops but then the next don't care in the slightest us going away to visit the biggest crab holes in the country. It’s all a con. That second paragraph is what I mean. There's no actual concern for safety. I don't see them lobbying for better conditions at other grounds, calling on the government to give clubs funding for safety improvements, holding training days or doing anything engaging. It's always punitive rather than proactive Behaviour at the Deva is noticeably better this season. It will never be impeccable but if we're honest there was an undercurrent throughout last season to the extent where the Brackley incidents were not a big surprise. I don't sense that this season. It would be nice for those involved in running the club, as well as those who have made small steps to modify their own behaviour, to hear a bit of recognition of this. |
|
|
|
Post by Lobster on Dec 16, 2023 2:16:07 GMT
SAG Group? More like the SAD Group. Absolutely embarrassing jobsworths I think it's the 'A' that's the problem. They're not Advisory, they're Dictatory. |
|
|
|
Post by Suomen Sininen on Dec 16, 2023 9:10:29 GMT
Sorry, it's probably been discussed before, but which bodies make up the SAG (SDG) and who exactly are the people in this group and their qualifications to make such decisions. Do we need to do a FOI request for the SAG to find out minutes of meetings, discussions, advisory targets, etc ?
|
|
|
|
Post by Rio Doherty on Dec 16, 2023 10:15:54 GMT
Sorry, it's probably been discussed before, but which bodies make up the SAG (SDG) and who exactly are the people in this group and their qualifications to make such decisions. Do we need to do a FOI request for the SAG to find out minutes of meetings, discussions, advisory targets, etc ? The SAG is a Local Authority (LA) that usually consists of representatives from the LA, emergency services (fire, police, ambulance), the council, other relevant bodies, and the event organiser. |
|
|
|
SAG Group
Dec 16, 2023 11:01:05 GMT
via mobile
Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 16, 2023 11:01:05 GMT
Every local authority has a SAG. They oversee the arrangements from anything from a village fete to a stadium rock concert.
|
|
|
|
Post by Suomen Sininen on Dec 16, 2023 14:01:32 GMT
Sorry, it's probably been discussed before, but which bodies make up the SAG (SDG) and who exactly are the people in this group and their qualifications to make such decisions. Do we need to do a FOI request for the SAG to find out minutes of meetings, discussions, advisory targets, etc ? The SAG is a Local Authority (LA) that usually consists of representatives from the LA, emergency services (fire, police, ambulance), the council, other relevant bodies, and the event organiser. But who exactly sits on this committee? Names? Is this disclosed anywhere? |
|
|
|
SAG Group
Dec 16, 2023 14:08:29 GMT
via mobile
Post by Rio Doherty on Dec 16, 2023 14:08:29 GMT
The SAG is a Local Authority (LA) that usually consists of representatives from the LA, emergency services (fire, police, ambulance), the council, other relevant bodies, and the event organiser. But who exactly sits on this committee? Names? Is this disclosed anywhere? Not sure of any names, sorry. |
|
|
|
Post by league2 on Dec 16, 2023 16:01:16 GMT
SAG are there to advise not to implement,
We as a club seem to take everything they advise without argument
|
|
|
|
Post by Churton Blue on Dec 16, 2023 18:59:09 GMT
SAG are there to advise not to implement, We as a club seem to take everything they advise without argument Simply not true. If the club do not comply with the decisions made by the SAG the Safety Certificate will be withdrawn and no match can be played. The word advisory in the title does not mean what you are implying it means in respect of the club. The club always puts forward its view, sometimes quite strongly, but ultimately there is no element of choice for the club in this process. |
|
|
|
Post by league2 on Dec 16, 2023 22:19:15 GMT
Thank you for correcting me,after reading about SAG I thought they were there to advise not inforce
|
|
|
|
SAG Group
Dec 17, 2023 11:14:29 GMT
via mobile
Post by Lobster on Dec 17, 2023 11:14:29 GMT
Thank you for correcting me,after reading about SAG I thought they were there to advise not inforce It's a reasonable assumption to be fair, given what the A in SAG stands for. |
|
|
|
SAG Group
Dec 20, 2023 13:48:11 GMT
via mobile
Post by southernblue on Dec 20, 2023 13:48:11 GMT
I see Oldham Athletic have been fined £5,000 for the disorder in their game against Chesterfield. Consistent from the FA in terms of the sum, but not when you take into account the different budgets of the clubs and means to pay.
|
|
|
|
Post by Curva Nord on Dec 20, 2023 14:02:10 GMT
Premier League players get the same fine for a red card as Billy Smith playing Sunday league
|
|
|
|
Post by newblue on Dec 20, 2023 15:05:53 GMT
Premier League players get the same fine for a red card as Billy Smith playing Sunday league
Some would argue that they are getting the same punishment for the same offence. Their club often lumps a bit on extra as well or so some claim.
|
|
|
|
Post by Curva Nord on Dec 20, 2023 15:30:22 GMT
Premier League players get the same fine for a red card as Billy Smith playing Sunday league
Some would argue that they are getting the same punishment for the same offence. Their club often lumps a bit on extra as well or so some claim.
Those are usually dressing room fines and the money gets put into the dressing room kitty for end of season/Christmas events |
|
|
|
Post by southernblue on Dec 20, 2023 18:44:06 GMT
Some would argue that they are getting the same punishment for the same offence. Their club often lumps a bit on extra as well or so some claim.
Those are usually dressing room fines and the money gets put into the dressing room kitty for end of season/Christmas events When I played semi pro at the bottom of the pyramid in the Wessex league, we had more fines for doing stupid things in training or in matches than we had in wages. |
|
|
|
SAG Group
Dec 20, 2023 22:56:50 GMT
via mobile
Post by loskasleftfoot on Dec 20, 2023 22:56:50 GMT
Premier League players get the same fine for a red card as Billy Smith playing Sunday league Dirty bugger that Billy Smith !! |
|
|
|
SAG Group
Dec 21, 2023 9:58:14 GMT
via mobile
Post by welshrover on Dec 21, 2023 9:58:14 GMT
In the Welsh leagues they fine the players for red and yellow cards and the money collected pays for the referee / linesmen.
At Rhyl v Flint Mountain last week Flint had four red and twelve yellow cards.
The officials were obviously after their Christmas Bonus!
|
|
|
|
Post by Lobster on Dec 21, 2023 15:05:38 GMT
In the Welsh leagues they fine the players for red and yellow cards and the money collected pays for the referee / linesmen. At Rhyl v Flint Mountain last week Flint had four red and twelve yellow cards. The officials were obviously after their Christmas Bonus! Either that or a few of the Flint players fancied Christmas off. |
|
|
|
Post by CH3STER on Dec 27, 2023 12:11:49 GMT
It look like yesterday we lost out on significant gate receipts again because of SAG dragging their heels and being disproportionate with their safety concerns. 2800 on a warm and dry day with 400 away fans is poor on Boxing Day and it needs sorting asap. If they have highlighted things that need sorting in the ground, as has been alluded to by some, then we need to raise the funds to get them sorted straight away. We have a creative fundraising team who come up with great ideas time and again, I’m sure we can sort out the money to fix doors, seats or whatever SAG aren’t happy with.
Looking at the remaining home fixtures there is only potentially Darlo who would bring more than 400 with it being the last game of the season and then being near the trapdoor. Regardless of this though we need to get back to 4500 capacity now so that people don’t miss out again.
We should be striving to get all areas of the ground fully functioning for next year in the hope we are back in a league with proper away support. We should want to give Oldham and Rochdale 1200 tickets and still have capacity to meet our fanbase requirements. Dress rehearsal for this will hopefully be the playoffs but I would be getting it sorted in the next two months, not letting SAG drag it out until April. Maybe our MP could apply some pressure? Must be other leverage we can use because we are being unfairly treated by our own services and partners, couldn’t write it!
|
|
|
|
Post by yossergolf on Dec 27, 2023 12:18:17 GMT
It look like yesterday we lost out on significant gate receipts again because of SAG dragging their heels and being disproportionate with their safety concerns. 2800 on a warm and dry day with 400 away fans is poor on Boxing Day and it needs sorting asap. If they have highlighted things that need sorting in the ground, as has been alluded to by some, then we need to raise the funds to get them sorted straight away. We have a creative fundraising team who come up with great ideas time and again, I’m sure we can sort out the money to fix doors, seats or whatever SAG aren’t happy with. Looking at the remaining home fixtures there is only potentially Darlo who would bring more than 400 with it being the last game of the season and then being near the trapdoor. Regardless of this though we need to get back to 4500 capacity now so that people don’t miss out again. We should be striving to get all areas of the ground fully functioning for next year in the hope we are back in a league with proper away support. We should want to give Oldham and Rochdale 1200 tickets and still have capacity to meet our fanbase requirements. Dress rehearsal for this will hopefully be the playoffs but I would be getting it sorted in the next two months, not letting SAG drag it out until April. Maybe our MP couple apply some pressure? Must be other leverage we can use because we are being unfairly treated by our own services and partners, couldn’t write it! The current capacity is above 3000 and it wasn’t sold out. Increased capacity to 4500 I doubt would not have increased yesterdays gate. This does need to be sorted but we can’t blame SAG if we do not sell out current capacity |
|
|
|
SAG Group
Dec 27, 2023 12:22:14 GMT
via mobile
Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 27, 2023 12:22:14 GMT
Aye it wasn’t sold out and people were trying to get rid of their tickets on social media also.
|
|
|
|
Post by CH3STER on Dec 27, 2023 12:24:44 GMT
I disagree, how many peoples friends and family didn’t go because they couldn’t be in the same stand as the people they want to be with? This lower capacity has led to sold out stands days and days before games. Get the capacity up and we would be able to sell tickets on the day in all stands wouldn’t we? We need to do that as a minimum to attract the floating fans.k
|
|
|
|
SAG Group
Dec 27, 2023 12:26:30 GMT
via mobile
Post by moldcestrian on Dec 27, 2023 12:26:30 GMT
Aye it wasn’t sold out and people were trying to get rid of their tickets on social media also. Did some of our season tickets holders not make it? We’d sold out 3 stands so I guess that’s what the reduced capacity looks like now….. As for other comments on Oldham and Rochdale next year. Most we’d give an away league game is 500-650 max. |
|
|
|
SAG Group
Dec 27, 2023 12:30:25 GMT
via mobile
Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 27, 2023 12:30:25 GMT
I disagree, how many peoples friends and family didn’t go because they couldn’t be in the same stand as the people they want to be with? That’s not the same as being sold out though is it? That’s just people choosing not to go because they wanted a particular stand or block. I do agree with your general point though that something needs sorting urgently and we do need some trial runs for away followings if we are promoted. |
|
|
|
Post by CH3STER on Dec 27, 2023 12:45:40 GMT
Aye it wasn’t sold out and people were trying to get rid of their tickets on social media also. Did some of our season tickets holders not make it? We’d sold out 3 stands so I guess that’s what the reduced capacity looks like now….. As for other comments on Oldham and Rochdale next year. Most we’d give an away league game is 500-650 max. The ground needs a long term plan because since it was made it’s shrunk in capacity by about 1500. Successive boards highlighted a long term plan around the aging fanbase and introduced really cheap child /youth tickets. It has worked a treat, more young fans going than I can ever remember. I see the ground as a similar problem that needs a long term plan and in reality a long term fundraiser attached to it. |
|
|
|
SAG Group
Dec 27, 2023 13:46:58 GMT
via mobile
Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Dec 27, 2023 13:46:58 GMT
Yep definitely.
|
|
|
|
Post by boughtonblue on Dec 27, 2023 13:47:25 GMT
Aye it wasn’t sold out and people were trying to get rid of their tickets on social media also. İ thought there was only a 100 left in the south stand with the rest of the ground sold out? It's normal for some season ticket holders not to turn up maybe family commitments, illness etc. The limited capacity stops the spontaneous walk up people. Plenty of those missed out on yesterday's figures I'd guess |
|
|
|
Post by southernblue on Dec 27, 2023 14:26:59 GMT
It must be costing us, even if we are short of capacity, it will be putting off the floating fan who might decide to turn up at the last minute to pay on the gate, but won't want to book in advance. Getting really sick of this SAGa.
|
|
|
|
SAG Group
Dec 27, 2023 15:18:22 GMT
via mobile
Post by RonD on Dec 27, 2023 15:18:22 GMT
It must be costing us, even if we are short of capacity, it will be putting off the floating fan who might decide to turn up at the last minute to pay on the gate, but won't want to book in advance. Getting really sick of this SAGa. Pay at the gate has gone forever. |
|
