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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jan 2, 2024 10:47:05 GMT
About time that ground criteria was bought into promotion issues Too many of these lower league teams are over funded by their owners to gain promotion but most are playing on park pitches with little or no spectators facilities. Clubs should not be admitted to divisions and then given 1 or2 years to bring their ground Upto specification. They should be refused admission until their ground is good enough. Make these owners invest in the 'club' and not just the 'team' Totally agree. Club improvements last generations and leave a legacy long after a rich benefactor has gotten bored.
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Post by league2 on Jan 2, 2024 11:31:21 GMT
Do warrington have a SAG? How were away arrangements signed off? Interesting Tank trap excavation on far side marked off fron 1m wide spectator area by tape and handily devised crush hazard for 400 fans to exit ground through single turnstile, whilst cheshire police looked on uselessly. Have to wander how these away arrangements were signed off for WTFCs benefit and yet we are still forced to operate under draconoan and unecessary restrictions. I have said this so many times before I travel to football all over and have never seen such strict rules applied to any other club ,possibly that the ground is owned by the council is all I can think of.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 2, 2024 11:58:15 GMT
Yeah that's a fair assessment - and the pros of the council owning the ground outweigh the (admittedly frustrating)cons, as we all know too well.
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Post by theshed1 on Jan 2, 2024 18:10:17 GMT
Having no access to an emergency exit is most certainly flouting the safety regs. If there was a serious incident we would have had to go on the pitch. Also, if we'd scored some of us would have fallen in to the the strip of land being excavated or on to one of the spikes with the tape running across. You see things like that and what happened at Fylde today and they are genuine issues. What's going on here now isn't anything to do with any concern for safety. The problem is the SAG could turn round and say look at the good job we are doing we don't have these problems at the Deva (Leap 76) and carry on with the nonsense we are having to put up with
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Post by noddy on Jan 2, 2024 19:39:16 GMT
Having no access to an emergency exit is most certainly flouting the safety regs. If there was a serious incident we would have had to go on the pitch. Also, if we'd scored some of us would have fallen in to the the strip of land being excavated or on to one of the spikes with the tape running across. You see things like that and what happened at Fylde today and they are genuine issues. What's going on here now isn't anything to do with any concern for safety. The problem is the SAG could turn round and say look at the good job we are doing we don't have these problems at the Deva (Leap 76) and carry on with the nonsense we are having to put up with That's when as a club we show some backbone, challenge and don't conform with this nonsense. Stand up to them, then hopefully we will get this out there to the football wide community nationally. These are unaccountable bureaucrats who need to be named, and made accountable for these current restrictions.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 2, 2024 20:33:33 GMT
Not THAT unaccountable are they to be fair. Councillors and the PCC are elected.
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Post by noddy on Jan 2, 2024 20:37:56 GMT
You happy with the current restrictions in place Frank?
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Post by noddy on Jan 2, 2024 20:41:44 GMT
Not THAT unaccountable are they to be fair. Councillors and the PCC are elected. That is a fair point, though the fire brigade, health and safety people are not. Who else would be on the panel?
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Post by avfo on Jan 2, 2024 20:58:55 GMT
Not THAT unaccountable are they to be fair. Councillors and the PCC are elected. That is a fair point, though the fire brigade, health and safety people are not. Who else would be on the panel? That would be the same organisation responsible for those bubble derby matches and, I suspect, the main drivers behind these current restrictions - Cheshire Police.
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Post by trev on Jan 3, 2024 0:30:23 GMT
That is a fair point, though the fire brigade, health and safety people are not. Who else would be on the panel? That would be the same organisation responsible for those bubble derby matches and, I suspect, the main drivers behind these current restrictions - Cheshire Police. In terms of a place to start in terms of politcal accountability for the impact of SAG decision making, perhaps answers could be provided by Cllr Louise Gittens leader of CWAC (Labour) or Cllr Karen Shore – Deputy Leader and Cabinet Member for Eivironment, Transport and Highways ? . But suspect you would be wasting your time with John Dwyer - the current Cheshire Police and Crime Commissioner. with the role of holding the police to account . Some may recall that he was reported (cheshire Live) as saying in 2016 to justify very high and disproportionate levels of policing for a Chester FC V Wrexhan Bubble game (162 officers and 38 police vehicles) , in comparison to much lower policing levels for the 3 day May festival at Chester Racecurse ; " They (racegoers) don't cause trouble in the same way (as football fans) as they are not a gang. In frootball you have one gang against another."
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Post by southernblue on Jan 8, 2024 18:55:33 GMT
The problem is the SAG could turn round and say look at the good job we are doing we don't have these problems at the Deva (Leap 76) and carry on with the nonsense we are having to put up with That's when as a club we show some backbone, challenge and don't conform with this nonsense. Stand up to them, then hopefully we will get this out there to the football wide community nationally. These are unaccountable bureaucrats who need to be named, and made accountable for these current restrictions. Protest at the townhall? Get it in the papers.
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Post by hblock on Jan 8, 2024 23:22:57 GMT
A good old pitch invasion would raise some awareness.
This was meant to be sorted over 2 months ago!
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jan 9, 2024 15:05:53 GMT
Tickets are now on sale for Buxton and Bishop’s Stortford; still no sign of the restrictions being lifted. Barbaric that we’ll probably be going into February with them still in place.
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Post by RonD on Jan 9, 2024 16:09:55 GMT
Tickets are now on sale for Buxton and Bishop’s Stortford; still no sign of the restrictions being lifted. Barbaric that we’ll probably be going into February with them still in place. Barbaric? More of a nuisance. Realistically the next three home gates will be lucky to top 2,000.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 9, 2024 16:23:22 GMT
Aye, no danger of us needing them lifted until at least Easter weekend tbh.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jan 9, 2024 16:28:42 GMT
Tickets are now on sale for Buxton and Bishop’s Stortford; still no sign of the restrictions being lifted. Barbaric that we’ll probably be going into February with them still in place. Barbaric? More of a nuisance. Realistically the next three home gates will be lucky to top 2,000. It is though given they’ll still be in place a good few months after the initial review date. There have been zero issues of trouble involving our supporters this season yet we’re still being punished.
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Post by noddy on Jan 9, 2024 16:35:29 GMT
Barbaric? More of a nuisance. Realistically the next three home gates will be lucky to top 2,000. It is though given they’ll still be in place a good few months after the initial review date. There have been zero issues of trouble involving our supporters this season yet we’re still being punished. Agreed. And whatever people say it has an effect on the floating supporter who last minute wants to roll up on the day and pay by card at the turnstile. I know of several supporters who can't be arsed anymore.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 9, 2024 19:31:19 GMT
It is though given they’ll still be in place a good few months after the initial review date. There have been zero issues of trouble involving our supporters this season yet we’re still being punished. Agreed. And whatever people say it has an effect on the floating supporter who last minute wants to roll up on the day and pay by card at the turnstile. I know of several supporters who can't be arsed anymore. “Supporters”
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Post by theshed1 on Jan 9, 2024 20:01:19 GMT
Agreed. And whatever people say it has an effect on the floating supporter who last minute wants to roll up on the day and pay by card at the turnstile. I know of several supporters who can't be arsed anymore. “Supporters” Supporters, casual or otherwise surely we need them all and if these outrageous restrictions are putting them off its costing us much more than the £30k being banded about
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Post by noddy on Jan 9, 2024 20:15:47 GMT
Supporters, casual or otherwise surely we need them all and if these outrageous restrictions are putting them off its costing us much more than the £30k being banded about Exactly. And I'm talking about supporters who have followed the club for many years as well. Am sure I'm not alone in that others will know of other supporters. Frank is quite happy about the restrictions in place, he obviously feels as a club we should be punished indefinitely for the Brackley game.
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Post by league2 on Jan 9, 2024 20:59:16 GMT
Its very true about supporters not turning up this season because of the restrictions,i used to sit with 4 or 5 fans now i sit on my own they simply can't be arsed with the ticket nonsense they just want to turn up have a beer and tap there card as they go in.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jan 9, 2024 21:04:48 GMT
I also know a few non-season ticket holders who were regulars on the Harry Mac before this season, who haven’t been to a single home game this campaign as the Mac sells out quite quickly, and they can’t be bothered sitting down due to a lack of atmosphere.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Jan 9, 2024 22:38:27 GMT
Aye, no danger of us needing them lifted until at least Easter weekend tbh. Can’t imagine the Punishment Advisory Group will be done with us by then at this rate.
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Post by catfordbags on Jan 10, 2024 16:34:20 GMT
I also know a few non-season ticket holders who were regulars on the Harry Mac before this season, who haven’t been to a single home game this campaign as the Mac sells out quite quickly, and they can’t be bothered sitting down due to a lack of atmosphere. Complete guess but i'm assuming the 'attempted' logic re no payment at the gate relates to some of the divvies at the Brackley game having banning orders.
However, logic is pushing the things. The Brackley game was all ticket anyway. Banned fans can still enter the ground with tickets bought online.
The mad thing about the SAG is that they have no public facing spokesperson to explain how the measures relate to the issues. The sad reality is that the measures add additional friction to attending games and that there will be a threshold of friction where some fans stop attending. Not sure how you make the SAG more public.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 10, 2024 16:44:34 GMT
I also know a few non-season ticket holders who were regulars on the Harry Mac before this season, who haven’t been to a single home game this campaign as the Mac sells out quite quickly, and they can’t be bothered sitting down due to a lack of atmosphere. Complete guess but i'm assuming the 'attempted' logic re no payment at the gate relates to some of the divvies at the Brackley game having banning orders.
However, logic is pushing the things. The Brackley game was all ticket anyway. Banned fans can still enter the ground with tickets bought online.
The mad thing about the SAG is that they have no public facing spokesperson to explain how the measures relate to the issues. The sad reality is that the measures add additional friction to attending games and that there will be a threshold of friction where some fans stop attending. Not sure how you make the SAG more public.
Write to the PCC.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jan 10, 2024 17:05:49 GMT
I also know a few non-season ticket holders who were regulars on the Harry Mac before this season, who haven’t been to a single home game this campaign as the Mac sells out quite quickly, and they can’t be bothered sitting down due to a lack of atmosphere. Complete guess but i'm assuming the 'attempted' logic re no payment at the gate relates to some of the divvies at the Brackley game having banning orders.
However, logic is pushing the things. The Brackley game was all ticket anyway. Banned fans can still enter the ground with tickets bought online.
The mad thing about the SAG is that they have no public facing spokesperson to explain how the measures relate to the issues. The sad reality is that the measures add additional friction to attending games and that there will be a threshold of friction where some fans stop attending. Not sure how you make the SAG more public.
You can still buy a ticket at the Ticket Office on a matchday with cash or card, to be fair, so I don’t see how that would put people off from going.
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Post by catfordbags on Jan 10, 2024 17:28:13 GMT
Complete guess but i'm assuming the 'attempted' logic re no payment at the gate relates to some of the divvies at the Brackley game having banning orders.
However, logic is pushing the things. The Brackley game was all ticket anyway. Banned fans can still enter the ground with tickets bought online.
The mad thing about the SAG is that they have no public facing spokesperson to explain how the measures relate to the issues. The sad reality is that the measures add additional friction to attending games and that there will be a threshold of friction where some fans stop attending. Not sure how you make the SAG more public.
You can still buy a ticket at the Ticket Office on a matchday with cash or card, to be fair, so I don’t see how that would put people off from going. You understand it Rio cos you know the score...
...but for a casual, who is aware of restrictions but not how they work - it means doubt and uncertainty - they would have to find out - might just be easier for them to stay at home and watch the snooker on the telly...
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Post by Moltisanti on Jan 10, 2024 17:53:28 GMT
You can still buy a ticket at the Ticket Office on a matchday with cash or card, to be fair, so I don’t see how that would put people off from going. You understand it Rio cos you know the score...
...but for a casual, who is aware of restrictions but not how they work - it means doubt and uncertainty - they would have to find out - might just be easier for them to stay at home and watch the snooker on the telly...
Advertised plenty on Social Media. People say some people don’t have social media etc. Sure they have friends who can inform them. It’s the way the world has gone now. Eventually it will all be ticket only everywhere. Need to move with the times.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 10, 2024 17:59:19 GMT
However do they manage booking concerts or standup comedy shows?
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Post by kyle on Jan 10, 2024 18:29:27 GMT
Bloody hell, if people find 'buying a ticket' too complicated, how will they manage to find their way to the ground?
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