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Jan 10, 2024 18:37:30 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 10, 2024 18:37:30 GMT
I didn’t even mention the cinema either. Even more basic.
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Jan 10, 2024 18:47:54 GMT
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Post by theshed1 on Jan 10, 2024 18:47:54 GMT
Bloody hell, if people find 'buying a ticket' too complicated, how will they manage to find their way to the ground? To be fair I'm not sure it's because it's too complicated I think it's more the fear of technology being the wrong side of 60 I have been very wary however my daughter has just got me paying using my phone absolutely frightening
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Post by Lobster on Jan 10, 2024 19:00:21 GMT
Working in the care sector has been a reminder for me that we shouldn't assume everyone (regardless of age) can just go online and book something. A lot of people find it difficult to manage cards and prefer to pay in cash, or that's just how they receive their money. People with learning disability can struggle online, and even milder conditions like dyslexia can make it difficult for people to fill forms in. People should be able to pay for things however they want, and that goes not just for the club, but wider society.
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Jan 10, 2024 19:26:01 GMT
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Post by borussiachester on Jan 10, 2024 19:26:01 GMT
Working in the care sector has been a reminder for me that we shouldn't assume everyone (regardless of age) can just go online and book something. A lot of people find it difficult to manage cards and prefer to pay in cash, or that's just how they receive their money. People with learning disability can struggle online, and even milder conditions like dyslexia can make it difficult for people to fill forms in. People should be able to pay for things however they want, and that goes not just for the club, but wider society. I imagine there’s a fair few supporters, especially of a certain vintage, who don’t have access to the technology that would enable them to book in advance, either. My grandma has never had the internet at home, or a computer/smartphone etc, and so has become almost entirely dependent on me and my parents to manage her affairs on her behalf due to everything now being done online rather than in-person; we’ve got plenty of regulars in their 80s and 90s who must surely be in a similar boat. Presumably, that’s also one of the reasons why the Hipkiss has retained the seemingly-antiquated system of booking over the phone and paying in cash.
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Post by catfordbags on Jan 10, 2024 19:38:56 GMT
Top and tail of it is that it is additional friction in the process enforced by the SAG without an explanation as to what the measure is attempting to achieve.... and without a public interface, it is difficult for the people who are interested to get answers.
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Jan 10, 2024 19:52:27 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 10, 2024 19:52:27 GMT
Top and tail of it is that it is additional friction in the process enforced by the SAG without an explanation as to what the measure is attempting to achieve.... and without a public interface, it is difficult for the people who are interested to get answers. Email the PCC.
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Post by avfo on Jan 10, 2024 19:56:23 GMT
Top and tail of it is that it is additional friction in the process enforced by the SAG without an explanation as to what the measure is attempting to achieve.... and without a public interface, it is difficult for the people who are interested to get answers. Email the PCC. Not sure what contacting Mr Bubble will achieve.
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Post by Mean Machine on Jan 10, 2024 22:55:07 GMT
I didn’t even mention the cinema either. Even more basic. You can still pay cash at the counter for entry to the cinema, local motorsport venue accepts cash at the gate regardless of whether the crowd is 300 on a piss wet October day or 30,000 for BTCC which you can watch on TVat home for free anyway
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Post by weareblues on Jan 11, 2024 8:27:32 GMT
Bloody hell, if people find 'buying a ticket' too complicated, how will they manage to find their way to the ground? Its the 6th tier of English football not the premier league should be as simple as paying on gate. Club loses out on money each time card payment used as they take a percentage too, Genuinley don't see the point in cashless turnstiles in non league...
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Jan 11, 2024 9:28:02 GMT
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Post by kyle on Jan 11, 2024 9:28:02 GMT
Bloody hell, if people find 'buying a ticket' too complicated, how will they manage to find their way to the ground? Its the 6th tier of English football not the premier league should be as simple as paying on gate. Club loses out on money each time card payment used as they take a percentage too, Genuinley don't see the point in cashless turnstiles in non league... It's 2024 not 1964. You'll be asking to pay in old money next!
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Jan 11, 2024 10:06:11 GMT
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Post by league2 on Jan 11, 2024 10:06:11 GMT
You can gloss it up all you like, the simple fact is some fans don't go anymore that can't be denied.
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Jan 11, 2024 10:17:48 GMT
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Post by Moltisanti on Jan 11, 2024 10:17:48 GMT
So what. 😴
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Post by kyle on Jan 11, 2024 11:27:07 GMT
I manage to travel from Salford for every home game, many others manage a longer journey.
But 10 seconds of admin is too much to expect?
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Jan 11, 2024 12:46:27 GMT
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Post by league2 on Jan 11, 2024 12:46:27 GMT
I agree there, its not for me and you but for some it is.
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Post by Curva Nord on Jan 11, 2024 12:50:33 GMT
Weird gimps tbf easier to sit at home and watch games on IPTV
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Jan 11, 2024 12:56:36 GMT
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Post by weareblues on Jan 11, 2024 12:56:36 GMT
Its the 6th tier of English football not the premier league should be as simple as paying on gate. Club loses out on money each time card payment used as they take a percentage too, Genuinley don't see the point in cashless turnstiles in non league... It's 2024 not 1964. You'll be asking to pay in old money next! We’re also in the 6th division of English football… Hardly necessary is it? If we was selling out every week or close to capacity I’d see your point but we should at least give the chance paying cash or card on turnstiles. Certainly been an increase in queues etc on match days since we introduced this system which no doubt also puts people off.
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Jan 11, 2024 13:06:38 GMT
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Post by kyle on Jan 11, 2024 13:06:38 GMT
"I'm not going to the game, I might have to queue for 5 minutes"
Ok.....
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Jan 11, 2024 13:22:06 GMT
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Post by league2 on Jan 11, 2024 13:22:06 GMT
I'm sure you will kyle
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Jan 11, 2024 13:22:59 GMT
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 11, 2024 13:22:59 GMT
It's 2024 not 1964. You'll be asking to pay in old money next! We’re also in the 6th division of English football… Hardly necessary is it? If we was selling out every week or close to capacity I’d see your point but we should at least give the chance paying cash or card on turnstiles. Certainly been an increase in queues etc on match days since we introduced this system which no doubt also puts people off. Hate to break it to you but what we eventually want is bigger crowds with no restrictions - the queues will be even bigger there.
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Jan 11, 2024 13:50:13 GMT
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Post by Suomen Sininen on Jan 11, 2024 13:50:13 GMT
Bloody hell, if people find 'buying a ticket' too complicated, how will they manage to find their way to the ground? Its the 6th tier of English football not the premier league should be as simple as paying on gate. Club loses out on money each time card payment used as they take a percentage too, Genuinley don't see the point in cashless turnstiles in non league... Pretty sure cash isn't free to transport and put in the bank.
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Jan 11, 2024 14:32:58 GMT
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Post by weareblues on Jan 11, 2024 14:32:58 GMT
Its the 6th tier of English football not the premier league should be as simple as paying on gate. Club loses out on money each time card payment used as they take a percentage too, Genuinley don't see the point in cashless turnstiles in non league... Pretty sure cash isn't free to transport and put in the bank. Be less expensive then the fees we get charged for contactless machines… especially when we’re a fan owned club every penny matters…
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Post by weareblues on Jan 11, 2024 14:36:32 GMT
We’re also in the 6th division of English football… Hardly necessary is it? If we was selling out every week or close to capacity I’d see your point but we should at least give the chance paying cash or card on turnstiles. Certainly been an increase in queues etc on match days since we introduced this system which no doubt also puts people off. Hate to break it to you but what we eventually want is bigger crowds with no restrictions - the queues will be even bigger there. What person wants to queue up twice to get into a football game when they should just be able to pay on the gate ? It’s added extra effort and especially whilst it’s cold etc will definitely put people off Also a nightmare for fans who want to go last minute too. There’s literally no reason why we can’t do cash and card on turnstiles at this level we should be making it as easy as possible to attend
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Jan 11, 2024 17:24:26 GMT
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Post by happyclapper52 on Jan 11, 2024 17:24:26 GMT
Yet again posts drift off topic....was SAG Group ? 🤔
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on Jan 12, 2024 10:54:40 GMT
Whilst I think the Bury FC punishment was outrageous, to be fair to the Manchester FA they were very open and transparent in their working outs following the hearing.
Be nice to see some SAG meeting minutes, just to see what the thought process is and whether our club need to carry out other tasks prior to restrictions being eased or lifted.
I also understand that these minutes will exist, but are kept within the interested parties, but even if the club put something out that gives us an idea of where we currently are that may clarify things.
On a separate point alluded to above, it is very easy to get into the ground on matchday. Queue at 2.15pm is rarely more than 2 people. There is plenty of information available, and people without internet access can always call the club and find the information out. I think they can also order a ticket over the phone.
I get it, some people don't want to go to the match, just don't use this as the feeble excuse it is.
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Post by noddy on Jan 12, 2024 11:17:46 GMT
Harry Mac is "at capacity" for tomorrow's game so don't bother unless you have a ticket.
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Post by hblock on Jan 12, 2024 11:48:09 GMT
If you really want to go the game, I agree it's easy enough to buy online or sort at the ground. However it does put off the casual fans who only go a few games a season, I know for a fact quite a few who haven't been at all this season due to this. Also as mentioned by a few above for some it's not being able to get in the same stands (I.e. Harry Mac) as their mates then they won't bother going at all. It needs sorting.
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Post by noddy on Jan 12, 2024 11:49:04 GMT
Off topic slightly, but still relevant I think, does the football league still have a minimum capacity criteria does anyone know?
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Post by Blockhead on Jan 12, 2024 12:00:36 GMT
Off topic slightly, but still relevant I think, does the football league still have a minimum capacity criteria does anyone know? 5,000
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Post by noddy on Jan 12, 2024 12:23:11 GMT
Off topic slightly, but still relevant I think, does the football league still have a minimum capacity criteria does anyone know? 5,000 Thanks for that. Was talking with a family member last night and we thought it was 6,000 which would have made any potential entry to the football league impossible (yes I know it's a pipedream) but longterm has to be a target/objective. Still got me thinking though, if that ever did happen 10, 15 years down the line would the SAG object and not allow us to hold 5,000 meaning we wouldn't be allowed entry to the football league. Hopefully when the current restrictions, whenever that maybe are lifted we will know if we can safely hold a minimum of 5,000 supporters moving forwards.
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Post by Blockhead on Jan 12, 2024 12:26:49 GMT
Thanks for that. Was talking with a family member last night and we thought it was 6,000 which would have made any potential entry to the football league impossible (yes I know it's a pipedream) but longterm has to be a target/objective. Still got me thinking though, if that ever did happen 10, 15 years down the line would the SAG object and not allow us to hold 5,000 meaning we wouldn't be allowed entry to the football league. Hopefully when the current restrictions, whenever that maybe are lifted we will know if we can safely hold a minimum of 5,000 supporters moving forwards. You can enter the league with 4,000, but have to be up to 5,000 by the end of the first season. We'd have to implement some kind of extension if the SAG restricted the capacity under 5,000
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