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Post by CH2 on Sept 16, 2023 18:02:10 GMT
Highlight of the day was when the kids team were parading around the pitch getting a round of applause and one of them was booing the Chester fans. What a legend.
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Post by Harry Lime on Sept 16, 2023 18:04:42 GMT
I think posters are more commenting on the style of play and the similarity of some of the players, than criticising Cal.
I understand why we set up and play as we do. It allows us to control the tempo of a game, and get an overload in centre of the pitch. Or at least match up the opposition in there. B+J used to stretch the game and attack down the flanks, but get overrun central.
Personally don't think we have the right balance in midfield and attack. Most of us would prefer 2 upfront. That leaves Cal using a diamond to dominate midfield. I'd prefer a dominant holding player and an experienced striker, over 3 or 4 passing players. But that's probably more of an age thing. I feel the slow square passing doesn't commit the opposition enough.
We are probably 2 or 3 players away from where Cal would like us to be. Some of the loans don't seem to address the problems. Coates is usually one of out better players, so why bring in Sparrow? Evans doesn't look as if he improves the team. Maguire gives us energy, but unsure he's what we need either, if we're playing a diamond.
It's all opinions. Nearly all of us on here would have differing opinions on tactics and players. Luckily for us, Cal makes those decisions and gets most of them right. Let's hope for a decent draw in the next round, and progress again.
I don't like Glendon in there with Weeks and Murray. He caused us more problems today than Taddy did. When the ball is wide right, Whitehouse had to cover across,but Glendon stayed wide left. If it did get to him he just turned and passed it back across. Not enough vertical movement. Caton is someone who should be running onto the ball, rather than back to goal. Playing him off a striker he could cause havoc with his pace.
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Post by blaconblues on Sept 16, 2023 18:16:23 GMT
Point is FOP how can people even begin to question him after what he did last season, the football wasn't great but it has not been great this season either. I agree, last season was mostly a chore to watch but ultimately results were a success and that’s what matters most. Not like we played exciting, expansive football on our way to the Conference title in 2004 is it - much of it was a hard watch (apart from that goal blitz over the Christmas and New Year period against Tamworth and Leigh RMI) but we won the title. Someone quoted me earlier and said some absolute guff about you have to have played the game before you can have an opinion about a performance you’re seeing with your very own eyes. There’s exaggeration on both sides of the debate - those who think everything is amazing are just as wrong as those who think it’s all shite. I prefer to keep a level head. It's generally clear when someone hasn't played the game and it's generally clear you haven't got a clue about football. I didn't say you had to have played the game to understand it (see Cal McIntyre) but it was more an observation to how you view football. To say our first half performance mirrored how we played last season says a lot and further that last season was a "chore" to watch - would like to know how many fans sit in that camp. You may think you're level headed but you're so far up your own arse it's unbelievable.
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Post by tonya on Sept 16, 2023 18:39:46 GMT
We have to remember we play on a very limited budget and that restricts Cal's choices and having two up front of quality is currently a pipe dream.
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Post by agl on Sept 16, 2023 19:10:50 GMT
A seven page thread after a victory is new for this place to be fair. Good to see Cal also acknowledge the first half was disappointing. Second half much improved, overall a comfortable deserved win. Most of them were slating us for the first half to be fair and the rest is us defending them To be fair, if Cal posted his thoughts on here you'd have a go at him for not getting behind the manager.
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Post by CH2 on Sept 16, 2023 19:41:44 GMT
This is the great thing about these forums, no-one has a clue about football coaching beyond level 3 (although there may be the odd exception). Yet, they still think they know better than the coach who has vastly more experience, spends every day with his players and knows their capabilities. Having said that, I'm happy to have a moan and criticise/debate when things aren't going to plan, just like everyone else. Afterall, that's what these forums are for. Just seems a shame that this particular forum turns so sour, so quickly. It looks like the art of debate has disappeared and people just resort to insults. You're just a bunch of wankers
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Post by hblock on Sept 16, 2023 20:06:57 GMT
We have to remember we play on a very limited budget and that restricts Cal's choices and having two up front of quality is currently a pipe dream. Is it limited though? Our attendances last season were about 500 higher than we budgeted for. We got a bit of money from cup games. Add to that boost the budget from this season and record season ticket sales, extra revenue from matchdays/shirt sales etc. I'd expect it's the best budget since we reformed.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 16, 2023 20:24:30 GMT
I agree, last season was mostly a chore to watch but ultimately results were a success and that’s what matters most. Not like we played exciting, expansive football on our way to the Conference title in 2004 is it - much of it was a hard watch (apart from that goal blitz over the Christmas and New Year period against Tamworth and Leigh RMI) but we won the title. Someone quoted me earlier and said some absolute guff about you have to have played the game before you can have an opinion about a performance you’re seeing with your very own eyes. There’s exaggeration on both sides of the debate - those who think everything is amazing are just as wrong as those who think it’s all shite. I prefer to keep a level head. It's generally clear when someone hasn't played the game and it's generally clear you haven't got a clue about football. I didn't say you had to have played the game to understand it (see Cal McIntyre) but it was more an observation to how you view football. To say our first half performance mirrored how we played last season says a lot and further that last season was a "chore" to watch - would like to know how many fans sit in that camp. You may think you're level headed but you're so far up your own arse it's unbelievable. Quite a few share the opinion actually, including in this very thread. Lost count of how many times complaints about our style occurred last season - passing around the defence and midfield to draw teams out and hit on the counter attack, trying to pass the ball into the net, nobody wanting to shoot… all rings familiar so far this season and definitely for that first half today. Last season wasn’t ever free-flowing, expansive football with flying wingers like it was with Bern and Jonno. And that’s OK. Because we got better results and finished higher. You’re trying to make an issue out of nothing. Look at today - we scored from two corners and a long ball from the back. It’s effective, and by and large it gets results. But you can’t tell me it was free-flowing, exciting football to watch last season. But again, that’s OK. We won loads and finished third.
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Post by 1paulcarden on Sept 16, 2023 20:36:53 GMT
Glendon knackers the team, simple as that. Can’t accommodate him Weeks & Whitehouse and by default as being the least talented of the three, shouldn’t start. Look at that midfield last season vs the season before. No coincidence that Weeks without Glendon is the best midfielder in the league. With him he’s a Warrington Town standard right midfielder.
Well done on Tadcaster for giving us a good game and well done on Cal & Iwan Murray for fixing it second half. Job done but the squad is still unbalanced.
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Post by borussiachester on Sept 16, 2023 22:06:53 GMT
Horrendously poor in the first half today, but looked a different team after half-time and in the end were pretty good value for the win. Thought Caton, Murray, Thomas and Glendon in particular all raised their games in the second half, but not sure what was up with Sparrow - a shadow of the player he was last weekend, playing so conservatively and with his back to goal rather than attempting to take on his man or cross it into the area.
Hopefully, those first 45 minutes have served as a wake-up call that the current system really doesn’t work with the personnel we’ve got. Everything looked so much more balanced and fluid once we started to go a bit more direct and moved Thomas out to a more natural wide role - where has this narrative that he’s a target man come from all of a sudden? I know I’ve said it a hundred times before, but the issue with the diamond is that it makes us almost entirely reliant on Taylor to provide us with width and raise the tempo - it’s no coincidence that our worst performances this season have been in the games he missed through injury, and that our best performances have come when we’ve had more runners in the final third.
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Post by weststander on Sept 16, 2023 23:19:00 GMT
I think posters are more commenting on the style of play and the similarity of some of the players, than criticising Cal. I understand why we set up and play as we do. It allows us to control the tempo of a game, and get an overload in centre of the pitch. Or at least match up the opposition in there. B+J used to stretch the game and attack down the flanks, but get overrun central. Personally don't think we have the right balance in midfield and attack. Most of us would prefer 2 upfront. That leaves Cal using a diamond to dominate midfield. I'd prefer a dominant holding player and an experienced striker, over 3 or 4 passing players. But that's probably more of an age thing. I feel the slow square passing doesn't commit the opposition enough. We are probably 2 or 3 players away from where Cal would like us to be. Some of the loans don't seem to address the problems. Coates is usually one of out better players, so why bring in Sparrow? Evans doesn't look as if he improves the team. Maguire gives us energy, but unsure he's what we need either, if we're playing a diamond. It's all opinions. Nearly all of us on here would have differing opinions on tactics and players. Luckily for us, Cal makes those decisions and gets most of them right. Let's hope for a decent draw in the next round, and progress again. I don't like Glendon in there with Weeks and Murray. He caused us more problems today than Taddy did. When the ball is wide right, Whitehouse had to cover across,but Glendon stayed wide left. If it did get to him he just turned and passed it back across. Not enough vertical movement. Caton is someone who should be running onto the ball, rather than back to goal. Playing him off a striker he could cause havoc with his pace. Absolutely right. I understand the need to dominate midfield but you need ball winners as well as ball players to do it. A midfield of Glendon Weeks Whitehouse and Murray would get outfought against a team stronger than Tadcaster, for the simple reason it lacks physicality
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Post by Al on Sept 17, 2023 6:46:48 GMT
This thread ffs.
Given the recent history of us in the FA Cup youd understand the frustration in seeing us go 1 down away to the lowest ranked side left in the competition and losing at half time. People are entitled to an opinion on an open forum.
We were dog shit first half, much improved 2nd half and deservedly won.
Funny though how some who would have been equally fuming over that first half performance under any other manager (B&J for example) are now completely against any criticism whatsoever of the management now..
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Post by agl on Sept 17, 2023 7:46:21 GMT
This thread ffs. Given the recent history of us in the FA Cup youd understand the frustration in seeing us go 1 down away to the lowest ranked side left in the competition and losing at half time. People are entitled to an opinion on an open forum. We were dog shit first half, much improved 2nd half and deservedly won. Funny though how some who would have been equally fuming over that first half performance under any other manager (B&J for example) are now completely against any criticism whatsoever of the management now.. Every right to be critical. Another day, that guy takes the chance that was presented to him at 1-1 and we are chasing the game again. Equally, I thought we didn't panic and gradually wore them down. Definitely a work in progress. That's three away games I've seen, including Bishops Stortford and Banbury, where we've been really poor first half.
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Post by cityboy5705 on Sept 17, 2023 7:48:54 GMT
Sorry for my hall post thought he was playing just visiting my nan in hospital job done next round happy with that
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Post by welshrover on Sept 17, 2023 7:54:33 GMT
The commentator on the BBC stated that Tadcaster would welcome the £5.00 the extra supporters would spend on a "pie and a pint"
I'd like to know where he drinks if he can find a pie and a pint for a fiver!
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Post by bluejay on Sept 17, 2023 8:28:26 GMT
This thread ffs. Given the recent history of us in the FA Cup youd understand the frustration in seeing us go 1 down away to the lowest ranked side left in the competition and losing at half time. People are entitled to an opinion on an open forum. We were dog shit first half, much improved 2nd half and deservedly won. Funny though how some who would have been equally fuming over that first half performance under any other manager (B&J for example) are now completely against any criticism whatsoever of the management now.. It's difficult to be too critical because the first half tactics and performances haven't changed since Calum took over and we finished 3rd last season. Lots of games where lots of posters on here had to eat their halftime words, including me. The current management also have a huge amount of goodwill from the fans (hence the bounce in season ticket sales) and we desperately want this setup to work. That makes it difficult to pile in despite any frustrations with squad, tactics and performances.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 17, 2023 8:52:34 GMT
Results for the other teams in our division: DARLINGTON 3-1 Workington BISHOP’S STORTFORD 3-3 Biggleswade Town BLYTH SPARTANS 1-1 BRADFORD PARK AVENUE BOSTON 4-0 Leamington Cleethorpes 2-4 ALFRETON FARSLEY CELTIC 1-1 SCARBOROUGH GLOUCESTER 0-3 AFC Totton HEREFORD 2-0 Anstey Nomads KINGS LYNN 0-0 Aveley Macclesfield 2-0 BUXTON Morpeth 3-0 SOUTHPORT Nantwich 2-1 BANBURY PETERBOROUGH SPORTS 0-0 Redditch Runcorn Linnets 1-1 CHORLEY RUSHALL OLYMPIC 3-2 Carlton Town SCUNTHORPE 0-0 BRACKLEY SOUTH SHIELDS 2-0 Bishop Auckland SPENNYMOOR 2-2 Marine TAMWORTH 2-1 Harborough WARRINGTON 2-3 CURZON ASHTON Couple of shock exits, couple held into a replay by lower league opposition, only nine of the 24 sides winning their ties (granted, a couple of all-NLN ties). Apart from Boston nobody has exactly coasted to a win there, and in fact Gloucester and Southport have been well beaten. I really don't think there's a bit difference from one league to the next once you get below the NL. I hate it when people look at games like ours today and say it's like a Premier League team playing a League Two team. No it isn't. It's a pointless comparison to make. Tim Flowers sacked by Gloucester this morning after that humiliation.
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Post by Al on Sept 17, 2023 8:54:14 GMT
This thread ffs. Given the recent history of us in the FA Cup youd understand the frustration in seeing us go 1 down away to the lowest ranked side left in the competition and losing at half time. People are entitled to an opinion on an open forum. We were dog shit first half, much improved 2nd half and deservedly won. Funny though how some who would have been equally fuming over that first half performance under any other manager (B&J for example) are now completely against any criticism whatsoever of the management now.. It's difficult to be too critical because the first half tactics and performances haven't changed since Calum took over and we finished 3rd last season. Lots of games where lots of posters on here had to eat their halftime words, including me. The current management also have a huge amount of goodwill from the fans (hence the bounce in season ticket sales) and we desperately want this setup to work. That makes it difficult to pile in despite any frustrations with squad, tactics and performances. What gets me is the ones that jumped on previous managers backs on here now refuse to allow any criticism of the current management team whatsoever. If I'm being hyper critical of us, I think we've had a mediocre summer in terms of recruitment. Some of the new signings (not including the renewals and I'm not including Caton and Whitehouse) but Joel Taylor, Goodson (now gone), Burton, and now the loan signings, none of which have improved us to date on last season - results so far also back this opinion.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Sept 17, 2023 9:00:34 GMT
The commentator on the BBC stated that Tadcaster would welcome the £5.00 the extra supporters would spend on a "pie and a pint" I'd like to know where he drinks if he can find a pie and a pint for a fiver! It was £5.50 for just a Moretti there yesterday 😂.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 17, 2023 9:06:59 GMT
This thread ffs. Given the recent history of us in the FA Cup youd understand the frustration in seeing us go 1 down away to the lowest ranked side left in the competition and losing at half time. People are entitled to an opinion on an open forum. We were dog shit first half, much improved 2nd half and deservedly won. Funny though how some who would have been equally fuming over that first half performance under any other manager (B&J for example) are now completely against any criticism whatsoever of the management now.. It's difficult to be too critical because the first half tactics and performances haven't changed since Calum took over and we finished 3rd last season. Lots of games where lots of posters on here had to eat their halftime words, including me. HAVE YOU EVER PLAYED FOOTBALL? ? 🤣
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 17, 2023 9:20:43 GMT
The commentator on the BBC stated that Tadcaster would welcome the £5.00 the extra supporters would spend on a "pie and a pint" I'd like to know where he drinks if he can find a pie and a pint for a fiver! It was £5.50 for just a Moretti there yesterday 😂. Sacrilege! 😁
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Post by Moltisanti on Sept 17, 2023 9:23:29 GMT
Imagine saying the manager is clueless because we’re getting beat at half time though?
The same manager who got us to the play offs last season. Certain sections of our fanbase can’t wait for us to fail it seems, it’s like they thrive on it.
Love a scapegoat too. Looks like it’s going to be Glendon and Kole Hall this season, taking over Dudley. Some fool even slagged Hall of and he wasn’t even in the squad.
Weirdest fans in non league by a mile.
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Post by highpeakblue on Sept 17, 2023 9:31:46 GMT
Imagine saying the manager is clueless because we’re getting beat at half time though? The same manager who got us to the play offs last season. Certain sections of our fanbase can’t wait for us to fail it seems, it’s like they thrive on it. Love a scapegoat too. Looks like it’s going to be Glendon and Kole Hall this season, taking over Dudley. Some fool even slagged Hall of and he wasn’t even in the squad. Weirdest fans in non league by a mile. There were Liverpool fans on the BBC feed saying that Klopp was failing in his rebuild because they were 1-0 down to Wolves in the first half. People are strange and very knee-jerk in their reactions. I do think our win yesterday covers up something missing in our attacking play, a real focal point. Caton would play well off someone, but I'm not sure if Calum wants to play that way. I will trust him to sort it out though, one way or another.
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Post by jayhawks on Sept 17, 2023 9:37:13 GMT
Admittedly the first half performance was well below par and some of the comments on here were justified but as ever, some were well over the top. One thing you learn on life as you get older is to never shoot your load too early.
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Post by boughtonblue on Sept 17, 2023 9:38:39 GMT
Imagine saying the manager is clueless because we’re getting beat at half time though? The same manager who got us to the play offs last season. Certain sections of our fanbase can’t wait for us to fail it seems, it’s like they thrive on it. Love a scapegoat too. Looks like it’s going to be Glendon and Kole Hall this season, taking over Dudley. Some fool even slagged Hall of and he wasn’t even in the squad. Weirdest fans in non league by a mile. It's likely most lower/non league football fans have pessimistic attitude like us. However, our past is so littered with 'false dawns' that this negativity is also a bit of a comfort blanket and we tend to revert to type pretty quickly. Must be frustrating for Callum but christ he does know the club inside out. Part of the problem this season is last seasons success. We all hoped it would kick on this season, but it's an average start, hence the over the top doommongery. The club is in the up so let's get behind them
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Post by Curva Nord on Sept 17, 2023 9:51:26 GMT
For me Roberts and Williams are the key players.
We play a system that for the most part works well, end of the day, we're getting results. Cal knows alot more than anyone else on here about his squad and budget. I'll listen to him, until his results turn consistently bad, which I don't think they will
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2023 9:54:21 GMT
8 pages on a FA Cup qualifying thread?
Can’t we save this energy and debate for big league games? Such a weird response to a game v Tadcaster….
If this is what it’s like every time we’re on FREE TO AIR TV then stop the ride and get me off.
Always interesting that some people have such strong opinions yet weren’t at the game, nor ever go an away game - always different in person. I see those that were there yesterday have a much more measured response.
Shit first half
Foot on the accelerator second half and it ended comfortably for us.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 17, 2023 10:39:29 GMT
Imagine saying the manager is clueless because we’re getting beat at half time though? The same manager who got us to the play offs last season. Certain sections of our fanbase can’t wait for us to fail it seems, it’s like they thrive on it. Love a scapegoat too. Looks like it’s going to be Glendon and Kole Hall this season, taking over Dudley. Some fool even slagged Hall of and he wasn’t even in the squad. Weirdest fans in non league by a mile. It's likely most lower/non league football fans have pessimistic attitude like us. However, our past is so littered with 'false dawns' that this negativity is also a bit of a comfort blanket and we tend to revert to type pretty quickly. Must be frustrating for Callum but christ he does know the club inside out. Part of the problem this season is last seasons success. We all hoped it would kick on this season, but it's an average start, hence the over the top doommongery. The club is in the up so let's get behind them Also people are live-commenting what they see. It would be the same in person at the game, if they were there. The fact the game was broadcast means people are more likely to be commenting live from home or wherever they’re watching it.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Sept 17, 2023 10:40:38 GMT
8 pages on a FA Cup qualifying thread? Can’t we save this energy and debate for big league games? Such a weird response to a game v Tadcaster…. If this is what it’s like every time we’re on FREE TO AIR TV then stop the ride and get me off. Always interesting that some people have such strong opinions yet weren’t at the game, nor ever go an away game - always different in person. I see those that were there yesterday have a much more measured response. Shit first half Foot on the accelerator second half and it ended comfortably for us. To be fair, the game is as available to watch so it was still seen by people commenting whether they were physically in attendance or not. Not like they couldn’t see any of it before commenting.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 17, 2023 12:21:33 GMT
It's difficult to be too critical because the first half tactics and performances haven't changed since Calum took over and we finished 3rd last season. Lots of games where lots of posters on here had to eat their halftime words, including me. The current management also have a huge amount of goodwill from the fans (hence the bounce in season ticket sales) and we desperately want this setup to work. That makes it difficult to pile in despite any frustrations with squad, tactics and performances. What gets me is the ones that jumped on previous managers backs on here now refuse to allow any criticism of the current management team whatsoever. If I'm being hyper critical of us, I think we've had a mediocre summer in terms of recruitment. Some of the new signings (not including the renewals and I'm not including Caton and Whitehouse) but Joel Taylor, Goodson (now gone), Burton, and now the loan signings, none of which have improved us to date on last season - results so far also back this opinion. It's a fair point about the summer recruitment and Calum has pretty much acknowledged himself that it hasn't gone to plan. Doesn't help that there's a £30K dint in his budget, of course. I would say disappointing recruitment doesn't necessarily mean a disappointing season though. In 2003 the big close-season signings were Rapley, Ian Foster and Andy Harris, none of whom really contributed for us that season. Darren Stamp was a big signing after the first few games and there was Alex Smith later in the season, but really it was continuity that won us the league that year and it looks like it's going to have to be similar this year. That's why personally I'm struggling to see where Glendon fits into this team after a season out.
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