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Post by noddy on Jan 17, 2024 9:13:37 GMT
we just need to score goals against these poor sides Can't argue with those words of wisdom Jack. Welcome by the way. Any ideas or suggestions as to how we can score more goals?
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Post by jimianto on Jan 17, 2024 9:13:46 GMT
Coates seriously injured at the end - out for 6-8 weeks. According to Cal - he's not always straight with these claims
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Post by jimianto on Jan 17, 2024 9:25:32 GMT
Come on we put about 42 passes together at one point but didn’t do anything. I’d say nine out of ten passes tonight were two yards. Yes - about 5 mins into the second half and we were just wasting time really, as Buxton were well set in front of us. It ended with Coates spooning the ball out for a goal kick. We ended up with 78% possession, according to Buxton stats, but like their fans said, it's goals that count. The midfield diamond we have is OK when we're winning, they can ping passes around and draw out the opposition for a counter attack, control the game etc. But when teams get a goal in front of us, we seem so easy to nullify most of the time. A plan B is desperately needed, with more physicality in the middle - something a bit different. Cal seems to dogmatically stick to the diamond whatever the circumstances. It's not even a secret - looking back to the 0-0 Boston game, they changed their system second half and we went nowhere. Cal have done nothing to address it since.
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Post by Moltisanti on Jan 17, 2024 9:26:31 GMT
we just need to score goals against these poor sides I hope you’re doing your coaching badges. We could do with someone with that footballing nouse.
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Post by yoshimitsu on Jan 17, 2024 9:37:51 GMT
In terms of points we may be just outside the play offs but in terms of performances we are miles off. This. No real point in moaning or complaining. It’s not going to change a thing. A blip of a good result in amongst a load of dross. Things do need to change, formation, personnel, tactics. Obviously Cal knows all this but it doesn’t stop it being incredibly frustrating. I’ve organised to come up for the game Saturday for one of my few attendances of the season, and have managed to convince 7 newbies from Chester to come along. I hope to god we don’t get another performance like that. I was worried mainly about what the catering on offer would say about the club. But if we don’t smash the team bottom of the table that’ll be the least of my worries!
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Post by chesterifa on Jan 17, 2024 9:38:13 GMT
We were really poor. Could have played four lots of 90 minutes and not scored it felt. Yet we could have beat Gloucester 8-0 on Saturday.
We are all deflated and disappointed, but you know what, things will get better and Cal is the man to captain the ship and get us moving with a tailwind. We will get better and push back into those playoffs IMO.
Few days now for the players to recoup, train hard and go over some tactical work. There is no way that Cal will allow the same performance on Saturday, rest assured. As for the players, we know what they're capable of, they will sort this out. Hopefully a loan signing or two will come in and challenge some underperformers as quite frankly, some individuals seem to think they can stroll around and not bust a gut. The players need competition to keep them on their toes - that old chestnut!
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Post by Moltisanti on Jan 17, 2024 9:49:17 GMT
We were really poor. Could have played four lots of 90 minutes and not scored it felt. Yet we could have beat Gloucester 8-0 on Saturday. We are all deflated and disappointed, but you know what, things will get better and Cal is the man to captain the ship and get us moving with a tailwind. We will get better and push back into those playoffs IMO. Few days now for the players to recoup, train hard and go over some tactical work. There is no way that Cal will allow the same performance on Saturday, rest assured. As for the players, we know what they're capable of, they will sort this out. Hopefully a loan signing or two will come in and challenge some underperformers as quite frankly, some individuals seem to think they can stroll around and not bust a gut. The players need competition to keep them on their toes - that old chestnut! Spot on post. Shame more aren’t like this. Agree with it all.
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Post by yossergolf on Jan 17, 2024 12:06:46 GMT
We were really poor. Could have played four lots of 90 minutes and not scored it felt. Yet we could have beat Gloucester 8-0 on Saturday. We are all deflated and disappointed, but you know what, things will get better and Cal is the man to captain the ship and get us moving with a tailwind. We will get better and push back into those playoffs IMO. Few days now for the players to recoup, train hard and go over some tactical work. There is no way that Cal will allow the same performance on Saturday, rest assured. As for the players, we know what they're capable of, they will sort this out. Hopefully a loan signing or two will come in and challenge some underperformers as quite frankly, some individuals seem to think they can stroll around and not bust a gut. The players need competition to keep them on their toes - that old chestnut! Spot on post. Shame more aren’t like this. Agree with it all. Unfortunately three out of the last 4 performances have been like last nights so not sure how it will change quickly. Cal has done a great job of stabilising the team but it hasn’t moved forward from last season. The league is not as strong this season but we are incapable of beating those at the lower end of the league. Overall the squad is too lightweight and tippy tappy football does not work against the majority of teams in this league. Against the better opposition who play football it makes us competitive but that’s about all.
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Post by Gandalf on Jan 17, 2024 12:12:38 GMT
We played far too deep with back 3431, 541, 343 or knocking it about at the back and side ways tripe whatever he is using questions need to be asked of Cal Mac right now that tonight just isnt good enough at all for this club. Wingers are needed in this team right now go 442 with back to basics football rather than play a formation that Pep would use in the prem. A Experienced manager at this level is what we need its not working for Cal tonight just proved it. It’s things like this that confirm what I’ve thought for a good while, majority of our fans haven’t got a fcking clue
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Post by Si on Jan 17, 2024 12:35:41 GMT
I missed the Gloucester game typically, so the last 4 games I've seen have been Boston at home, Warrington away, Rushall at home, and last night.......if you combined all those shots on target over those games it still wouldn't be enough to win you one game. Defensively we are sound enough, no issues there, but god it's so boring watching us try to attack. I don't understand what our game plan is in the final third......all season it's been tippy tappy around the central areas which works some games and other games not, last night Taylor and Coates did actually provide the width but their delivery was appalling. I don't think any of our strikers know whether they should hold their run and take to feet or spin off into space - there's nothing cohesive about it and we rarely seem to have periods of pressure any more, when we do score it's out of the blue. Saying all that, we're still in the mix for play offs which maybe says more about the overall quality of this league, but we're going to have to sharpen up our attacking game otherwise the signs point to slipping towards a mid table season. We can't carry on playing lower league teams at home and all we've got to show for it in terms of attacking is a Hall and Whitehouse hit and hope shot that's still in orbit at the moment. Cal won't be happy with that scarcastic cheer when Roberts had a tame volley on target in the Rushall game, but honestly that was about all we had on target that game.....as fans of the home team we are entitled to maybe see a little more attacking intent for our money so the ironic cheers didn't surprise me. I do generally enjoy possession football but it has to be with purpose i.e. move it around quicker to draw them out of their positions - last night seemed to be Roberts passing to midfield, it coming straight back to him, dilly dally and then spread it to the full backs who by the time we got it out to them had a man or two over there to deal with them. Teams are staying in shape, and we don't appear to have the tools to cope with that and then the possession ends up being totally sterile.
I'm 36 years old, supported Chester all my life, I'm used to us being shit and have seen it many time, but all I want to see is us at least have a go when we are the home team. At the moment it bores the life out of me watching us. It's pretty dire watching us play against bottom half teams are rarely managing more than 2 or 3 shots on target. The Boston game was a laugh.....the keeper could hardly move but I recall he only had about 1 save to make from a Burke header. All we needed to do was to shoot towards the corners of the goal!
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Post by Si on Jan 17, 2024 12:42:07 GMT
We were really poor. Could have played four lots of 90 minutes and not scored it felt. Yet we could have beat Gloucester 8-0 on Saturday. We are all deflated and disappointed, but you know what, things will get better and Cal is the man to captain the ship and get us moving with a tailwind. We will get better and push back into those playoffs IMO. Few days now for the players to recoup, train hard and go over some tactical work. There is no way that Cal will allow the same performance on Saturday, rest assured. As for the players, we know what they're capable of, they will sort this out. Hopefully a loan signing or two will come in and challenge some underperformers as quite frankly, some individuals seem to think they can stroll around and not bust a gut. The players need competition to keep them on their toes - that old chestnut! Would like to agree with that, but I was convinced there would be a reaction after the Warrington NYD performance, and then we served up something that was maybe just as bad in front of our own fans a few days later. Cal isn't daft, and I do back him to find solutions, but his recruitment this season hasn't quite worked and we're left with a squad that probably can't play the way he wants to play.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 17, 2024 12:48:18 GMT
We played far too deep with back 3431, 541, 343 or knocking it about at the back and side ways tripe whatever he is using questions need to be asked of Cal Mac right now that tonight just isnt good enough at all for this club. Wingers are needed in this team right now go 442 with back to basics football rather than play a formation that Pep would use in the prem. A Experienced manager at this level is what we need its not working for Cal tonight just proved it. It isn’t wingers that’s the issue for me - we had plenty of the ball, all over the pitch, last night but the issue was final decision-making. The midfield ballers happy to continue passing between each other too often.
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Post by chesterifa on Jan 17, 2024 13:02:15 GMT
Can agree with all the points above. Can't disagree. But what else can we do? We've been injury plagued since the get-go. We've lost some very influential and creative players through injury - like other teams have as well of course - but the best thing to do is to remain as positive as we can. Focus on the positives. We had a decent, tough run in the FA Cup. We were up to 4th or 5th in the league if i recall at some point? If we aren't going to believe, then we may as well what...get rid? No chance. Cal will sort this recent (probably last 6-7 games) of poor form out with what he has at his disposal. We all stick together like we always do and it'll come good. Managing expectations is the toughest part of the job for any Chester manager. Playoffs was the objective and we still have many games left...i'm not flapping about it.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jan 17, 2024 13:05:27 GMT
All of them were awful, let’s not single too many individuals out. Think a few people need to give their heads a wobble on here. Saying we won’t make the playoffs now? Really? We’re 1 point off the play off places and 3 points off 4th with a game in hand…….. I’ll admit losing to Farsley and Buxton at home is worrying but smash up Bishops Stortford and we’ll be fine. Draw or lose to them though and Cal needs to really start looking at our style of play against the lower teams. We beat them at home last August.
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Post by moldcestrian on Jan 17, 2024 13:41:46 GMT
All of them were awful, let’s not single too many individuals out. Think a few people need to give their heads a wobble on here. Saying we won’t make the playoffs now? Really? We’re 1 point off the play off places and 3 points off 4th with a game in hand…….. I’ll admit losing to Farsley and Buxton at home is worrying but smash up Bishops Stortford and we’ll be fine. Draw or lose to them though and Cal needs to really start looking at our style of play against the lower teams. We beat them at home last August. Rio how many times mate 😂😂😂 There’s so many tinpot teams in this league I get confused
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Post by waggoner on Jan 17, 2024 16:12:45 GMT
Spot on post. Shame more aren’t like this. Agree with it all. Unfortunately three out of the last 4 performances have been like last nights so not sure how it will change quickly. Cal has done a great job of stabilising the team but it hasn’t moved forward from last season. The league is not as strong this season but we are incapable of beating those at the lower end of the league. Overall the squad is too lightweight and tippy tappy football does not work against the majority of teams in this league. Against the better opposition who play football it makes us competitive but that’s about all. That's the problem. Like you say Tippy Tappy. I was level with the 18 yard box when we had throw ins and instead of launching a long throw into the box Coates was throwing it down the line and it was ending up on the half way line being tapped around. Lots of passing back to the half way line and across the back line. The more sideways passes you do eventually leads to losing the ball, which happened a lot in the 2nd half. If we had been playing anyone half decent we would have lost that match 2 or 3 nil. We are not Real Madrid so stop trying to play like them.
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Post by brooklaneblue on Jan 17, 2024 16:17:13 GMT
Trouble is when we go a goal down that's the game done & dusted there & then. I knew we'd lose when they scored as we just lack so much creativity & threat going forward. We just knock it around all very neat & tidily for the most part but ineffective when trying to score. Teams have figured out our tactics too, it's all becoming a bit predictable. Time wasting & poor refs don't help the situation but you still have to deal with that as we've all come to expect it from sides in this league. Spot on
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Post by Lobster on Jan 17, 2024 16:37:58 GMT
Stanway Burke Williams Woodthorpe Coates Weeks Roberts Taylor Glendon Peers Clarke Got to try something different, that’s the best I can think of with current available players. Murray to come on and shit the opposition up last half hour. Presumably you’re expecting Taylor to learn how to cross a ball in the coming weeks? Id like to see Burke in your midfield 4 that could give us a bit more physicality and drive, the way we are playing at the mo isn’t going to put bums on seats, or get us to the playoffs Like I said earlier, big test for Cal next few games. Having watched Chorley the other week, we are going to get a good tonking there, pretty physical with speed out wide The thing is that's the sort of game we seem to do alright in. We haven't really had a "good tonking" off anyone since Cal came in, though there's always a first time of course. Games tend to be tight, but that can be a weakness as well as a strength as it feels like there's a bit of a "first goal wins" element about our games at the moment. If we do somehow go up this season it will be in a similar manner to how Kidderminster did it last season, ending an average season with a strong run. I think Calum would do a great job for us in the league above where we would be up against it, but in this league he still seems to struggle to find a way to beat limited sides who keep their shape.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Jan 17, 2024 16:50:16 GMT
League above* !!
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Post by weststander on Jan 17, 2024 16:57:59 GMT
Presumably you’re expecting Taylor to learn how to cross a ball in the coming weeks? Id like to see Burke in your midfield 4 that could give us a bit more physicality and drive, the way we are playing at the mo isn’t going to put bums on seats, or get us to the playoffs Like I said earlier, big test for Cal next few games. Having watched Chorley the other week, we are going to get a good tonking there, pretty physical with speed out wide The thing is that's the sort of game we seem to do alright in. We haven't really had a "good tonking" off anyone since Cal came in, though there's always a first time of course. Games tend to be tight, but that can be a weakness as well as a strength as it feels like there's a bit of a "first goal wins" element about our games at the moment. If we do somehow go up this season it will be in a similar manner to how Kidderminster did it last season, ending an average season with a strong run. I think Calum would do a great job for us in the league below where we would be up against it, but in this league he still seems to struggle to find a way to beat limited sides who keep their shape. This team would get utterly destroyed in the league above.
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Post by Lobster on Jan 17, 2024 17:10:08 GMT
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Post by Lobster on Jan 17, 2024 17:11:28 GMT
The thing is that's the sort of game we seem to do alright in. We haven't really had a "good tonking" off anyone since Cal came in, though there's always a first time of course. Games tend to be tight, but that can be a weakness as well as a strength as it feels like there's a bit of a "first goal wins" element about our games at the moment. If we do somehow go up this season it will be in a similar manner to how Kidderminster did it last season, ending an average season with a strong run. I think Calum would do a great job for us in the league below where we would be up against it, but in this league he still seems to struggle to find a way to beat limited sides who keep their shape. This team would get utterly destroyed in the league above. The current team, yes. I'd like to think he'd change it. Would be nice to get there first and then worry about that, anyway.
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Post by Moltisanti on Jan 17, 2024 17:18:10 GMT
The thing is that's the sort of game we seem to do alright in. We haven't really had a "good tonking" off anyone since Cal came in, though there's always a first time of course. Games tend to be tight, but that can be a weakness as well as a strength as it feels like there's a bit of a "first goal wins" element about our games at the moment. If we do somehow go up this season it will be in a similar manner to how Kidderminster did it last season, ending an average season with a strong run. I think Calum would do a great job for us in the league below where we would be up against it, but in this league he still seems to struggle to find a way to beat limited sides who keep their shape. This team would get utterly destroyed in the league above. Yeah because we’d have the same team wouldn’t we. 🙄
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Post by billyw on Jan 17, 2024 17:37:51 GMT
The thing is that's the sort of game we seem to do alright in. We haven't really had a "good tonking" off anyone since Cal came in, though there's always a first time of course. Games tend to be tight, but that can be a weakness as well as a strength as it feels like there's a bit of a "first goal wins" element about our games at the moment. If we do somehow go up this season it will be in a similar manner to how Kidderminster did it last season, ending an average season with a strong run. I think Calum would do a great job for us in the league below where we would be up against it, but in this league he still seems to struggle to find a way to beat limited sides who keep their shape. This team would get utterly destroyed in the league above. The 4 teams promoted from the National Leagues North and South last season, currently occupy the 4 relegation spots in the National League.
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Post by chesterken on Jan 17, 2024 17:38:51 GMT
Presumably you’re expecting Taylor to learn how to cross a ball in the coming weeks? Id like to see Burke in your midfield 4 that could give us a bit more physicality and drive, the way we are playing at the mo isn’t going to put bums on seats, or get us to the playoffs Like I said earlier, big test for Cal next few games. Having watched Chorley the other week, we are going to get a good tonking there, pretty physical with speed out wide The thing is that's the sort of game we seem to do alright in. We haven't really had a "good tonking" off anyone since Cal came in, though there's always a first time of course. Games tend to be tight, but that can be a weakness as well as a strength as it feels like there's a bit of a "first goal wins" element about our games at the moment. If we do somehow go up this season it will be in a similar manner to how Kidderminster did it last season, ending an average season with a strong run. I think Calum would do a great job for us in the league above where we would be up against it, but in this league he still seems to struggle to find a way to beat limited sides who keep their shape. I would say that Rushall gave us a football lesson which should have ended with a tonking, so it’s not just teams that park the bus that are giving us problems just lately.
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Post by devadiva on Jan 17, 2024 17:41:39 GMT
Anyone know when we may see Caton back? Him and Peers will be our strongest attack and whether or not you think it strong enough we need them both on the pitch ASAP as part of a plan to “stop the rot” and get things back on track.
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Post by league2 on Jan 17, 2024 17:46:19 GMT
This team would get utterly destroyed in the league above. Thats the problem its like turkeys voting for Christmas, Just in the playoffs and fail, or just miss out on the playoffs, and we all go again next season thats how it works .
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Post by welshrover on Jan 17, 2024 17:55:51 GMT
So far in this thread we have had "poor teams" "tinpot teams" etc to describe the opposition we can't beat!!!
So where exactly does that put us?
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Post by Curva Nord on Jan 17, 2024 18:05:35 GMT
Anyone know when we may see Caton back? Him and Peers will be our strongest attack and whether or not you think it strong enough we need them both on the pitch ASAP as part of a plan to “stop the rot” and get things back on track. Adam Thomas too, I think he's a cracking player
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Post by MPW on Jan 17, 2024 18:55:45 GMT
Edwards also missed last couple of games
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