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Post by boughtonblue on May 9, 2024 20:30:07 GMT
Any suggestions to remedy this? The question has to be asked…is there a remedy?…we can’t even get proper investment for sponsorship of our ground… So you are hoping for the highly unlikely then. I'm glad what for what we have. Having (like others have mentioned) experienced 'is this the last season' moment many times. We have had some right jokers and erm crooks as owners. Can't really believe some people want to go back that.
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Post by Imperial on May 9, 2024 21:28:11 GMT
The question has to be asked…is there a remedy?…we can’t even get proper investment for sponsorship of our ground… So standing still is "not an option" but there's also no alternative. Maybe just try and enjoy it then? I don't see what this constant complaining in vain achieves. This. It does my head in, people moan about being fan owned, advocate for investment but it’s not even an option! Nobody’s offering investment so until they do it’s like moaning about not being a millionaire while holding down a decent job, paying your bills & having no debt all because someone down the road has a speedboat in their drive.
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Post by waggoner on May 9, 2024 21:55:04 GMT
So standing still is "not an option" but there's also no alternative. Maybe just try and enjoy it then? I don't see what this constant complaining in vain achieves. This. It does my head in, people moan about being fan owned, advocate for investment but it’s not even an option! Nobody’s offering investment so until they do it’s like moaning about not being a millionaire while holding down a decent job, paying your bills & having no debt all because someone down the road has a speedboat in their drive. The ground is ok at present for this level. It will sooner or later require lots of money to repair/improve it. The place is looking a bit tired. I don't know where this money will come from. The problem will come when parts of the ground become unsafe further up the road and the powers that be put crowd restrictions on the ground. I suppose that the first thing to do would be to assess the work needed and 'put it out there' to see if any tradesmen within the fanbase can donate their time and some materials to sort things out?
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Post by whitey on May 9, 2024 22:37:58 GMT
This. It does my head in, people moan about being fan owned, advocate for investment but it’s not even an option! Nobody’s offering investment so until they do it’s like moaning about not being a millionaire while holding down a decent job, paying your bills & having no debt all because someone down the road has a speedboat in their drive. The ground is ok at present for this level. It will sooner or later require lots of money to repair/improve it. The place is looking a bit tired. I don't know where this money will come from. The problem will come when parts of the ground become unsafe further up the road and the powers that be put crowd restrictions on the ground. I suppose that the first thing to do would be to assess the work needed and 'put it out there' to see if any tradesmen within the fanbase can donate their time and some materials to sort things out? I'd agree with regard to the repairs/maintenance the ground needs, actually think we need a full time person in charge of this or it will bite us on the backside long term. The guy that oversees this at the moment has to be applauded as he's a volunteer but the place really needs some serious stuff doing and I know of several people (including myself) that have offered to help only to not get any response.
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Post by Si on May 9, 2024 23:03:48 GMT
The ground is like the Nou Camp compared to many at our level, and a good number in the league above.
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Post by Moltisanti on May 10, 2024 5:17:02 GMT
The ground is ok at present for this level. It will sooner or later require lots of money to repair/improve it. The place is looking a bit tired. I don't know where this money will come from. The problem will come when parts of the ground become unsafe further up the road and the powers that be put crowd restrictions on the ground. I suppose that the first thing to do would be to assess the work needed and 'put it out there' to see if any tradesmen within the fanbase can donate their time and some materials to sort things out? I'd agree with regard to the repairs/maintenance the ground needs, actually think we need a full time person in charge of this or it will bite us on the backside long term. The guy that oversees this at the moment has to be applauded as he's a volunteer but the place really needs some serious stuff doing and I know of several people (including myself) that have offered to help only to not get any response. So you’re applauding the person who you went on to say ignored you? I think someone’s telling porky pies again aren’t they.
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Post by inthestand on May 10, 2024 17:25:49 GMT
The question has to be asked…is there a remedy?…we can’t even get proper investment for sponsorship of our ground… So standing still is "not an option" but there's also no alternative. Maybe just try and enjoy it then? I don't see what this constant complaining in vain achieves. Don’t think it’s complaining…it’s something that’s worth discussing, so many posters have their own thoughts about “the way forward”…all want us to be successful , some are happy to stay as we are and tread water then hope for a good cup run and others want us to look for someone who can invest and hopefully move up the leagues…but as said…no investment means in the long term we regress …and if we did find someone to invest in the club…well that carries a risk too…but what I will say, 99% of the EFL are happy to take the risk…which is a crazy option…but kinda works for the many…
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on May 10, 2024 18:29:57 GMT
So standing still is "not an option" but there's also no alternative. Maybe just try and enjoy it then? I don't see what this constant complaining in vain achieves. Don’t think it’s complaining…it’s something that’s worth discussing, so many posters have their own thoughts about “the way forward”…all want us to be successful , some are happy to stay as we are and tread water then hope for a good cup run and others want us to look for someone who can invest and hopefully move up the leagues…but as said…no investment means in the long term we regress …and if we did find someone to invest in the club…well that carries a risk too…but what I will say, 99% of the EFL are happy to take the risk…which is a crazy option…but kinda works for the many… Still no clearer to me.
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Post by inthestand on May 10, 2024 18:55:42 GMT
Don’t think it’s complaining…it’s something that’s worth discussing, so many posters have their own thoughts about “the way forward”…all want us to be successful , some are happy to stay as we are and tread water then hope for a good cup run and others want us to look for someone who can invest and hopefully move up the leagues…but as said…no investment means in the long term we regress …and if we did find someone to invest in the club…well that carries a risk too…but what I will say, 99% of the EFL are happy to take the risk…which is a crazy option…but kinda works for the many… Still no clearer to me. Not surprised…..
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Post by Moltisanti on May 10, 2024 20:38:56 GMT
So standing still is "not an option" but there's also no alternative. Maybe just try and enjoy it then? I don't see what this constant complaining in vain achieves. Don’t think it’s complaining…it’s something that’s worth discussing, so many posters have their own thoughts about “the way forward”…all want us to be successful , some are happy to stay as we are and tread water then hope for a good cup run and others want us to look for someone who can invest and hopefully move up the leagues…but as said…no investment means in the long term we regress …and if we did find someone to invest in the club…well that carries a risk too…but what I will say, 99% of the EFL are happy to take the risk…which is a crazy option…but kinda works for the many… You can look. Nobody is stopping you.
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Post by welshrover on May 15, 2024 7:17:32 GMT
My Scottish team, Albion Rovers, now seriously looking at going down the Fan Owned Route, preliminary meeting next month.
Although not sure how it will work as there are still major shareholders there.
They did have one "crypto currency chancer" come in for them but he was sent packing.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 8:23:26 GMT
How many examples are there of fan ownership being successful and taking a club through the leagues and then sustaining it? The ones that have are the exception to the rule and are like hens teeth. Fact is, whether you agree with it or not you need wealthy owners to inject life into a club and give the club the kick start it needs. Then you hope they do the right things and make the club sustainable.
Yes I know you all hate us Wrexham lot more than ever now due to the media attention / circus and we'd be the same but many are not aware of how perilous our situation was. We were going backwards under the WST and I don't believe we would've survived after covid. I've seen many Chester fans say they'd never have voted for the takeover, but the stark reality was we had no choice. Those are the facts.
We did get lucky with our owners. If it would've been some unknown then I doubt it would've happened. The bigger gamble by miles was staying fan owned. Even die hard WST "never again will we be owned by someone" mob voted the takeover through. Only 31 desperate souls voted against the takeover. They were voting to basically put the final nail in our coffin due to some pie in the sky fantasy about our fan ownership model being some sort of blessed unbreakable model despite reality telling them otherwise.
The only other way I see is to have some outstanding recruitment in players, manager and staff and then somehow keep them by using initial success to increase the money the club generates. Which is almost if not entirely impossible.
Depends what you want though. If you are content with the club as it is then good luck and crack on.
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Post by league2 on May 21, 2024 8:36:10 GMT
A very sensible post ,the only problem being there is no one out there to take us onwards and upwards
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Post by yoshimitsu on May 21, 2024 8:43:31 GMT
How many examples are there of fan ownership being successful and taking a club through the leagues and then sustaining it? The ones that have are the exception to the rule and are like hens teeth. Fact is, whether you agree with it or not you need wealthy owners to inject life into a club and give the club the kick start it needs. Then you hope they do the right things and make the club sustainable. Yes I know you all hate us Wrexham lot more than ever now due to the media attention / circus and we'd be the same but many are not aware of how perilous our situation was. We were going backwards under the WST and I don't believe we would've survived after covid. I've seen many Chester fans say they'd never have voted for the takeover, but the stark reality was we had no choice. Those are the facts. We did get lucky with our owners. If it would've been some unknown then I doubt it would've happened. The bigger gamble by miles was staying fan owned. Even die hard WST "never again will we be owned by someone" mob voted the takeover through. Only 31 desperate souls voted against the takeover. They were voting to basically put the final nail in our coffin due to some pie in the sky fantasy about our fan ownership model being some sort of blessed unbreakable model despite reality telling them otherwise. The only other way I see is to have some outstanding recruitment in players, manager and staff and then somehow keep them by using initial success to increase the money the club generates. Which is almost if not entirely impossible. Depends what you want though. If you are content with the club as it is then good luck and crack on. Off you go laddie. Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 10:56:31 GMT
A very sensible post ,the only problem being there is no one out there to take us onwards and upwards That's what we thought.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 11:02:04 GMT
How many examples are there of fan ownership being successful and taking a club through the leagues and then sustaining it? The ones that have are the exception to the rule and are like hens teeth. Fact is, whether you agree with it or not you need wealthy owners to inject life into a club and give the club the kick start it needs. Then you hope they do the right things and make the club sustainable. Yes I know you all hate us Wrexham lot more than ever now due to the media attention / circus and we'd be the same but many are not aware of how perilous our situation was. We were going backwards under the WST and I don't believe we would've survived after covid. I've seen many Chester fans say they'd never have voted for the takeover, but the stark reality was we had no choice. Those are the facts. We did get lucky with our owners. If it would've been some unknown then I doubt it would've happened. The bigger gamble by miles was staying fan owned. Even die hard WST "never again will we be owned by someone" mob voted the takeover through. Only 31 desperate souls voted against the takeover. They were voting to basically put the final nail in our coffin due to some pie in the sky fantasy about our fan ownership model being some sort of blessed unbreakable model despite reality telling them otherwise. The only other way I see is to have some outstanding recruitment in players, manager and staff and then somehow keep them by using initial success to increase the money the club generates. Which is almost if not entirely impossible. Depends what you want though. If you are content with the club as it is then good luck and crack on. Fuck off shitstirring you goat cunt This is what happens when Tories run the country for years, the whole education system suffers and this is the result.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 11:03:16 GMT
How many examples are there of fan ownership being successful and taking a club through the leagues and then sustaining it? The ones that have are the exception to the rule and are like hens teeth. Fact is, whether you agree with it or not you need wealthy owners to inject life into a club and give the club the kick start it needs. Then you hope they do the right things and make the club sustainable. Yes I know you all hate us Wrexham lot more than ever now due to the media attention / circus and we'd be the same but many are not aware of how perilous our situation was. We were going backwards under the WST and I don't believe we would've survived after covid. I've seen many Chester fans say they'd never have voted for the takeover, but the stark reality was we had no choice. Those are the facts. We did get lucky with our owners. If it would've been some unknown then I doubt it would've happened. The bigger gamble by miles was staying fan owned. Even die hard WST "never again will we be owned by someone" mob voted the takeover through. Only 31 desperate souls voted against the takeover. They were voting to basically put the final nail in our coffin due to some pie in the sky fantasy about our fan ownership model being some sort of blessed unbreakable model despite reality telling them otherwise. The only other way I see is to have some outstanding recruitment in players, manager and staff and then somehow keep them by using initial success to increase the money the club generates. Which is almost if not entirely impossible. Depends what you want though. If you are content with the club as it is then good luck and crack on. Off you go laddie. Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out. I have Tekken no offence
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Post by Imperial on May 21, 2024 11:04:00 GMT
Nobody is arsed what you think. You’re sat on on a rival fans message board, get a grip.
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Post by deesideblue1 on May 21, 2024 11:14:45 GMT
How many examples are there of fan ownership being successful and taking a club through the leagues and then sustaining it? The ones that have are the exception to the rule and are like hens teeth. Fact is, whether you agree with it or not you need wealthy owners to inject life into a club and give the club the kick start it needs. Then you hope they do the right things and make the club sustainable. Yes I know you all hate us Wrexham lot more than ever now due to the media attention / circus and we'd be the same but many are not aware of how perilous our situation was. We were going backwards under the WST and I don't believe we would've survived after covid. I've seen many Chester fans say they'd never have voted for the takeover, but the stark reality was we had no choice. Those are the facts. We did get lucky with our owners. If it would've been some unknown then I doubt it would've happened. The bigger gamble by miles was staying fan owned. Even die hard WST "never again will we be owned by someone" mob voted the takeover through. Only 31 desperate souls voted against the takeover. They were voting to basically put the final nail in our coffin due to some pie in the sky fantasy about our fan ownership model being some sort of blessed unbreakable model despite reality telling them otherwise. The only other way I see is to have some outstanding recruitment in players, manager and staff and then somehow keep them by using initial success to increase the money the club generates. Which is almost if not entirely impossible. Depends what you want though. If you are content with the club as it is then good luck and crack on. 10am on a Tuesday morning and you’re writing on our fans board. You’re either unemployed like most of your fan base or you’re on the nonce wing in Walton.
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Post by waggoner on May 21, 2024 12:00:11 GMT
How many examples are there of fan ownership being successful and taking a club through the leagues and then sustaining it? The ones that have are the exception to the rule and are like hens teeth. Fact is, whether you agree with it or not you need wealthy owners to inject life into a club and give the club the kick start it needs. Then you hope they do the right things and make the club sustainable. Yes I know you all hate us Wrexham lot more than ever now due to the media attention / circus and we'd be the same but many are not aware of how perilous our situation was. We were going backwards under the WST and I don't believe we would've survived after covid. I've seen many Chester fans say they'd never have voted for the takeover, but the stark reality was we had no choice. Those are the facts. We did get lucky with our owners. If it would've been some unknown then I doubt it would've happened. The bigger gamble by miles was staying fan owned. Even die hard WST "never again will we be owned by someone" mob voted the takeover through. Only 31 desperate souls voted against the takeover. They were voting to basically put the final nail in our coffin due to some pie in the sky fantasy about our fan ownership model being some sort of blessed unbreakable model despite reality telling them otherwise. The only other way I see is to have some outstanding recruitment in players, manager and staff and then somehow keep them by using initial success to increase the money the club generates. Which is almost if not entirely impossible. Depends what you want though. If you are content with the club as it is then good luck and crack on. Please don’t come on Deva chat talking sense it upsets some and steams their rose tinted spectacles up
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Post by proudblue on May 21, 2024 12:00:35 GMT
How many examples are there of fan ownership being successful and taking a club through the leagues and then sustaining it? The ones that have are the exception to the rule and are like hens teeth. Fact is, whether you agree with it or not you need wealthy owners to inject life into a club and give the club the kick start it needs. Then you hope they do the right things and make the club sustainable. Yes I know you all hate us Wrexham lot more than ever now due to the media attention / circus and we'd be the same but many are not aware of how perilous our situation was. We were going backwards under the WST and I don't believe we would've survived after covid. I've seen many Chester fans say they'd never have voted for the takeover, but the stark reality was we had no choice. Those are the facts. We did get lucky with our owners. If it would've been some unknown then I doubt it would've happened. The bigger gamble by miles was staying fan owned. Even die hard WST "never again will we be owned by someone" mob voted the takeover through. Only 31 desperate souls voted against the takeover. They were voting to basically put the final nail in our coffin due to some pie in the sky fantasy about our fan ownership model being some sort of blessed unbreakable model despite reality telling them otherwise. The only other way I see is to have some outstanding recruitment in players, manager and staff and then somehow keep them by using initial success to increase the money the club generates. Which is almost if not entirely impossible. Depends what you want though. If you are content with the club as it is then good luck and crack on. Find it a bit odd how bitter some Wrexham fans are towards the 31 who didn’t vote in favour of the takeover by R&R. They were fully entitled to their views and may well have remained concerned about private ownership given what had gone on under Hamilton etc. It didn’t remotely affect the outcome of the vote, so not sure why you are slagging them off on another club’s messageboard three years later.
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Post by Imperial on May 21, 2024 12:34:51 GMT
How many examples are there of fan ownership being successful and taking a club through the leagues and then sustaining it? The ones that have are the exception to the rule and are like hens teeth. Fact is, whether you agree with it or not you need wealthy owners to inject life into a club and give the club the kick start it needs. Then you hope they do the right things and make the club sustainable. Yes I know you all hate us Wrexham lot more than ever now due to the media attention / circus and we'd be the same but many are not aware of how perilous our situation was. We were going backwards under the WST and I don't believe we would've survived after covid. I've seen many Chester fans say they'd never have voted for the takeover, but the stark reality was we had no choice. Those are the facts. We did get lucky with our owners. If it would've been some unknown then I doubt it would've happened. The bigger gamble by miles was staying fan owned. Even die hard WST "never again will we be owned by someone" mob voted the takeover through. Only 31 desperate souls voted against the takeover. They were voting to basically put the final nail in our coffin due to some pie in the sky fantasy about our fan ownership model being some sort of blessed unbreakable model despite reality telling them otherwise. The only other way I see is to have some outstanding recruitment in players, manager and staff and then somehow keep them by using initial success to increase the money the club generates. Which is almost if not entirely impossible. Depends what you want though. If you are content with the club as it is then good luck and crack on. Please don’t come on Deva chat talking sense it upsets some and steams their rose tinted spectacles up You’re rapidly becoming the worst poster on here. Give your head a shake, praising a goat who’s come on here to wind us up ffs. How many times do you need to be told? There are no offers of investment into CFC, NONE. If & when there are then the offer will be judged on its own merits. Until then stop moaning.
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Post by muffinthemule on May 21, 2024 13:01:52 GMT
Fuck off shitstirring you goat cunt This is what happens when Tories run the country for years, the whole education system suffers and this is the result.
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Post by muffinthemule on May 21, 2024 13:05:01 GMT
Is there really any need for obscene language such as this on an open message board where women and children ( classed as under 18) can read it. I wonder where the Club Welfare Officer is when this disgusting post is not deleted.
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Post by Ian H Block on May 21, 2024 13:13:54 GMT
How many examples are there of fan ownership being successful and taking a club through the leagues and then sustaining it? The ones that have are the exception to the rule and are like hens teeth. Fact is, whether you agree with it or not you need wealthy owners to inject life into a club and give the club the kick start it needs. Then you hope they do the right things and make the club sustainable. Yes I know you all hate us Wrexham lot more than ever now due to the media attention / circus and we'd be the same but many are not aware of how perilous our situation was. We were going backwards under the WST and I don't believe we would've survived after covid. I've seen many Chester fans say they'd never have voted for the takeover, but the stark reality was we had no choice. Those are the facts. We did get lucky with our owners. If it would've been some unknown then I doubt it would've happened. The bigger gamble by miles was staying fan owned. Even die hard WST "never again will we be owned by someone" mob voted the takeover through. Only 31 desperate souls voted against the takeover. They were voting to basically put the final nail in our coffin due to some pie in the sky fantasy about our fan ownership model being some sort of blessed unbreakable model despite reality telling them otherwise. The only other way I see is to have some outstanding recruitment in players, manager and staff and then somehow keep them by using initial success to increase the money the club generates. Which is almost if not entirely impossible. Depends what you want though. If you are content with the club as it is then good luck and crack on. Please don’t come on Deva chat talking sense it upsets some and steams their rose tinted spectacles up What a fucking whopper you are.
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Post by oldsealandroadender on May 21, 2024 14:02:57 GMT
Many people slag off the fan owned model and say we need serious investment. Whilst a cash injection would be very welcome under the right circumstances (ie. no chancers with dubious financial background) we do currently have a club to follow until such opportunity happens.
A few people might say we have to stay fan owned (memories of too many owners asset stripping our club) but most would be open to the right kind of people getting involved.
You can't just stop being fan owned without someone with money coming in, the two have to go together. As of yet there is nobody interested in financially pushing our club upwards.
There again you can always wait for the mythical "Chester fan wins the lottery and gives it all to the club" scenario.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 15:26:34 GMT
How many examples are there of fan ownership being successful and taking a club through the leagues and then sustaining it? The ones that have are the exception to the rule and are like hens teeth. Fact is, whether you agree with it or not you need wealthy owners to inject life into a club and give the club the kick start it needs. Then you hope they do the right things and make the club sustainable. Yes I know you all hate us Wrexham lot more than ever now due to the media attention / circus and we'd be the same but many are not aware of how perilous our situation was. We were going backwards under the WST and I don't believe we would've survived after covid. I've seen many Chester fans say they'd never have voted for the takeover, but the stark reality was we had no choice. Those are the facts. We did get lucky with our owners. If it would've been some unknown then I doubt it would've happened. The bigger gamble by miles was staying fan owned. Even die hard WST "never again will we be owned by someone" mob voted the takeover through. Only 31 desperate souls voted against the takeover. They were voting to basically put the final nail in our coffin due to some pie in the sky fantasy about our fan ownership model being some sort of blessed unbreakable model despite reality telling them otherwise. The only other way I see is to have some outstanding recruitment in players, manager and staff and then somehow keep them by using initial success to increase the money the club generates. Which is almost if not entirely impossible. Depends what you want though. If you are content with the club as it is then good luck and crack on. Find it a bit odd how bitter some Wrexham fans are towards the 31 who didn’t vote in favour of the takeover by R&R. They were fully entitled to their views and may well have remained concerned about private ownership given what had gone on under Hamilton etc. It didn’t remotely affect the outcome of the vote, so not sure why you are slagging them off on another club’s messageboard three years later. Because by voting against it they voted to put the future of the club at extreme risk. For them it was fan owned or bust. Even if you didn't really want the takeover, it was pure insanity voting against it given the bleak situation we were in. That's why there were only 31. We had many more WST die-hards than that. The WST had very little money left after blowing a load of cash from the Danny Ward sell-on, on Keates twice and then Bryan Hughes (bizarre managerial appointment) and fans had enough of them and their lies, deceit and manipulation and had stopped paying their subs. They were that entrenched in their view that fan ownership was the only way despite the ever increasing evidence that for Wrexham, it was the complete opposite and the club was facing oblivion. We were the perfect example of how fan ownership can turn sour and ironically end up being the people that almost kill the club.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2024 15:34:56 GMT
Please don’t come on Deva chat talking sense it upsets some and steams their rose tinted spectacles up You’re rapidly becoming the worst poster on here. Give your head a shake, praising a goat who’s come on here to wind us up ffs. How many times do you need to be told? There are no offers of investment into CFC, NONE. If & when there are then the offer will be judged on its own merits. Until then stop moaning. If you really think my intention was to wind you up then you need to seek help. I mean really? I haven't said anything disrespectful or tried to wind anyone up. Therefore any issue you have is all in your head.
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Post by billyw on May 21, 2024 15:35:49 GMT
Many people slag off the fan owned model and say we need serious investment. Whilst a cash injection would be very welcome under the right circumstances (ie. no chancers with dubious financial background) we do currently have a club to follow until such opportunity happens. A few people might say we have to stay fan owned (memories of too many owners asset stripping our club) but most would be open to the right kind of people getting involved. You can't just stop being fan owned without someone with money coming in, the two have to go together. As of yet there is nobody interested in financially pushing our club upwards. There again you can always wait for the mythical "Chester fan wins the lottery and gives it all to the club" scenario. Hugh Grosvenor is now worth over £10 billion - got to be worth a call 😉
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Post by Imperial on May 21, 2024 15:44:32 GMT
You’re rapidly becoming the worst poster on here. Give your head a shake, praising a goat who’s come on here to wind us up ffs. How many times do you need to be told? There are no offers of investment into CFC, NONE. If & when there are then the offer will be judged on its own merits. Until then stop moaning. If you really think my intention was to wind you up then you need to seek help. I mean really? I haven't said anything disrespectful or tried to wind anyone up. Therefore any issue you have is all in your head. You’re on a rival fans’ message board, advocating for a course of action that is impossible for us to take atm & has left your club in millions of pounds worth of debt to your benevolent new owners. If you weren’t on the wind up then you don’t know what you’re on about.
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