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Post by boughtonblue on May 21, 2024 15:49:39 GMT
Many people slag off the fan owned model and say we need serious investment. Whilst a cash injection would be very welcome under the right circumstances (ie. no chancers with dubious financial background) we do currently have a club to follow until such opportunity happens. A few people might say we have to stay fan owned (memories of too many owners asset stripping our club) but most would be open to the right kind of people getting involved. You can't just stop being fan owned without someone with money coming in, the two have to go together. As of yet there is nobody interested in financially pushing our club upwards. There again you can always wait for the mythical "Chester fan wins the lottery and gives it all to the club" scenario. Hugh Grosvenor is now worth over £10 billion - got to be worth a call 😉 The aristocracy like to keep quiet about their wealth unlike RR etc. Unlikely to spend it on a football team.
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Post by jamieablock on May 21, 2024 15:50:55 GMT
Sorry to change the subject but is the deva chat rumble on the ferry still taking place?
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Post by Moltisanti on May 21, 2024 15:52:59 GMT
I can’t see Reynolds and McDonald whatever his name is fucking the goats over to be fair. They’re too high profile.
I’d love to see them go under but won’t happen, unfortunately.
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Post by agl on May 21, 2024 16:29:07 GMT
Nobody is arsed what you think. You’re sat on on a rival fans message board, get a grip. So you speak for the whole of Deva Chat? A few of us are interested in views from fans of other clubs (yes, even our neighbours) if they are offered in good faith as this clearly was.
Why there's the need for abuse, I don't know. Any potential investor or sponsor doing due diligence and reading this board would run a mile when they see some of the knuckle dragging tribalism.
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Post by Ian H Block on May 21, 2024 16:36:53 GMT
Fucking Groundhog Day again.
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Post by deesideblue1 on May 21, 2024 16:42:01 GMT
Sorry to change the subject but is the deva chat rumble on the ferry still taking place? Maybe Noddy and Arthuro will end up overboard, washed up on an island in the Irish Sea, and live out their days as lovers. Might get a football wash up one day call it GLENDONNNN.
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Post by Imperial on May 21, 2024 16:59:04 GMT
Nobody is arsed what you think. You’re sat on on a rival fans message board, get a grip. So you speak for the whole of Deva Chat? A few of us are interested in views from fans of other clubs (yes, even our neighbours) if they are offered in good faith as this clearly was.
Why there's the need for abuse, I don't know. Any potential investor or sponsor doing due diligence and reading this board would run a mile when they see some of the knuckle dragging tribalism.
I didn’t say anything about the views of other fans. I said nobody is arsed about what HE thinks. I said because he’s trying to convince us that we need investment which at the very least is ignorant & so I highly doubt it was offered in good faith. I’m happy to rescind my previous statement though & amend it to the following: nobody with an ounce of sense is arsed what he thinks.
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Post by Curva Nord on May 21, 2024 17:05:45 GMT
I did hear that Wrexham were their 3rd choice, Hartlepool told them no. I'm not sure who the other club were.
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Post by muffinthemule on May 21, 2024 17:10:52 GMT
I bet Hartlepool and the other club concerned are now very pissed off at missing out. Bit of an own goal .
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Post by Lobster on May 21, 2024 17:14:22 GMT
Fuck off shitstirring you goat cunt This is what happens when Tories run the country for years, the whole education system suffers and this is the result. Yeah. What kind of daft constituencies voted for them?
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Post by Royal Blue on May 21, 2024 17:33:06 GMT
Fuck off shitstirring you goat cunt This is what happens when Tories run the country for years, the whole education system suffers and this is the result. ![Goatcourse Toryfest]()
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Post by Lobster on May 21, 2024 17:59:36 GMT
Nobody is arsed what you think. You’re sat on on a rival fans message board, get a grip. So you speak for the whole of Deva Chat? A few of us are interested in views from fans of other clubs (yes, even our neighbours) if they are offered in good faith as this clearly was.
Why there's the need for abuse, I don't know. Any potential investor or sponsor doing due diligence and reading this board would run a mile when they see some of the knuckle dragging tribalism.
The abuse is a bit excessive. That's just the internet in 2024 for you. I do see it as not much more than a gloat and a belittling of supporter ownership though. Maybe the 31 Wrexham fans who voted against it just had pride in it being a self-sufficient, community-focused club where the fans had 100% control, and remembered what private ownership had done for the club under the likes of Gutterman and Hamilton? Bit of a shame the club only has 31 fans who think that way really and don't just chase riches and glamour, especially given how much they like to ham up the whole idea that they're the downtrodden neighbours of a wealthy royal city.
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Post by newblue on May 22, 2024 11:50:13 GMT
F****** Groundhog Day again. WIth the best will in the world, are you not capable of posting without always seeming to use expletives, it is starting to dilute any valid point you may have.
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Post by fortwilliam on May 22, 2024 21:27:56 GMT
A very sensible post ,the only problem being there is no one out there to take us onwards and upwards That's what we thought. I thought it was a very balanced assessment of the two types of model. Anyone came in to invest we would be fools to just dismiss the offer. All of the chancers from time gone by makes for a wary club and fan base. And quite right too. However I could imagine any prospective investor looking on this message board and thinking no not for me. Of course at the moment there are no interested parties but reading through some of the posts on here TBH I am not surprised
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Post by league2 on May 22, 2024 21:57:14 GMT
I thought it was a very balanced assessment of the two types of model. Anyone came in to invest we would be fools to just dismiss the offer. All of the chancers from time gone by makes for a wary club and fan base. And quite right too. However I could imagine any prospective investor looking on this message board and thinking no not for me. Of course at the moment there are no interested parties but reading through some of the posts on here TBH I am not surprised I think that is a lot of our fans thoughts. also there really does seem to be an undercurrent of fan owned or nothing. On this forum, but not in the wider fan base. Who knows where we will be in ten years we can only dream i guess.
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Post by agl on May 23, 2024 6:29:13 GMT
I thought it was a very balanced assessment of the two types of model. Anyone came in to invest we would be fools to just dismiss the offer. All of the chancers from time gone by makes for a wary club and fan base. And quite right too. However I could imagine any prospective investor looking on this message board and thinking no not for me. Of course at the moment there are no interested parties but reading through some of the posts on here TBH I am not surprised I think that is a lot of our fans thoughts. also there really does seem to be an undercurrent of fan owned or nothing. On this forum, but not in the wider fan base. Who knows where we will be in ten years we can only dream i guess. I don't detect that undercurrent. Frankly, we've done brilliantly to sustain a fan owned club for so long. But I think there's a realisation it can only take us so far...maybe NL with a bit of luck and good management. I believe the vast majority of the fan base would support outside ownership IF the finances and personalities involved both stacked up.
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Post by Imperial on May 23, 2024 8:06:17 GMT
I think that is a lot of our fans thoughts. also there really does seem to be an undercurrent of fan owned or nothing. On this forum, but not in the wider fan base. Who knows where we will be in ten years we can only dream i guess. I don't detect that undercurrent. Frankly, we've done brilliantly to sustain a fan owned club for so long. But I think there's a realisation it can only take us so far...maybe NL with a bit of luck and good management. I believe the vast majority of the fan base would support outside ownership IF the finances and personalities involved both stacked up. My instinct would always be extreme scepticism of anyone that wanted to “invest”, after all investors expect a return on their investment & where’s that going to come from? So essentially we’re talking about someone donating money in return for a controlling interest. Again, my first thought is “what are they getting out of it?” Which is why unless they were a Chester fan I’d be very unlikely to vote in favour of risking the existence of the club I love, again, spending a fortune in an effort to get back to fourth division football. All that said, I’d be prepared to listen to any offers made, as I’m sure all fans would.
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Post by ChesterTrueBlue on May 23, 2024 8:09:28 GMT
I think depends what we want as a fanbase, do we want to be the FCUM and Dulwich Hamlets of the world or do we want to be in the Football League playing proper teams in proper stadiums? I know what sounds better to me.
Fan ownership has its place in football, no doubt, but I think the general feeling now is that fan ownership can only take us so far. That level is probably a top NLN team (which we weren't last season) or one of the lower sides in the NL. Now if that is what some people want that's fine, they get the pride of being able to say we're a community ran sustainable football club. However surely we must recognise that to get to higher levels we need money. I wouldn't want to guess how much money is required to get out of the National League, but I don't think a 100k boost the budget is going to cut it.
Obviously this all irrelevant at the minute as there isn't a queue of prospective investors lining up to purhcase a sixth-tier football club playing at the end of an industrial estate.
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Post by Si on May 23, 2024 11:37:34 GMT
I think depends what we want as a fanbase, do we want to be the FCUM and Dulwich Hamlets of the world or do we want to be in the Football League playing proper teams in proper stadiums? I know what sounds better to me. Fan ownership has its place in football, no doubt, but I think the general feeling now is that fan ownership can only take us so far. That level is probably a top NLN team (which we weren't last season) or one of the lower sides in the NL. Now if that is what some people want that's fine, they get the pride of being able to say we're a community ran sustainable football club. However surely we must recognise that to get to higher levels we need money. I wouldn't want to guess how much money is required to get out of the National League, but I don't think a 100k boost the budget is going to cut it. Obviously this all irrelevant at the minute as there isn't a queue of prospective investors lining up to purhcase a sixth-tier football club playing at the end of an industrial estate. Your last sentence sums it up. Can talk about ownership models all day long, but Jim Green summed it up in his last update....we'll listen to an offer should we get one, but until that day comes we crack on best we can. What we don't wanna do is whore out our club desperate to sell it. Can equate the situation to many things in life.....I'd like a better car but unless I get more money then my Corsa will have to do, so in the meantime I'll do my best to keep the Corsa ticking along best I can.
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Post by chesterken on May 23, 2024 13:22:47 GMT
I think depends what we want as a fanbase, do we want to be the FCUM and Dulwich Hamlets of the world or do we want to be in the Football League playing proper teams in proper stadiums? I know what sounds better to me. Fan ownership has its place in football, no doubt, but I think the general feeling now is that fan ownership can only take us so far. That level is probably a top NLN team (which we weren't last season) or one of the lower sides in the NL. Now if that is what some people want that's fine, they get the pride of being able to say we're a community ran sustainable football club. However surely we must recognise that to get to higher levels we need money. I wouldn't want to guess how much money is required to get out of the National League, but I don't think a 100k boost the budget is going to cut it. Obviously this all irrelevant at the minute as there isn't a queue of prospective investors lining up to purhcase a sixth-tier football club playing at the end of an industrial estate. Your last sentence sums it up. Can talk about ownership models all day long, but Jim Green summed it up in his last update....we'll listen to an offer should we get one, but until that day comes we crack on best we can. What we don't wanna do is whore out our club desperate to sell it. Can equate the situation to many things in life.....I'd like a better car but unless I get more money then my Corsa will have to do, so in the meantime I'll do my best to keep the Corsa ticking along best I can. Didn’t Murphy pop up when we were desperate for cash, proves we need to be careful and with Jim and the rest of the back room team running things I’m content we will be, if the opportunity comes.
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Post by highpeakblue on May 23, 2024 13:34:33 GMT
I don't detect that undercurrent. Frankly, we've done brilliantly to sustain a fan owned club for so long. But I think there's a realisation it can only take us so far...maybe NL with a bit of luck and good management. I believe the vast majority of the fan base would support outside ownership IF the finances and personalities involved both stacked up. My instinct would always be extreme scepticism of anyone that wanted to “invest”, after all investors expect a return on their investment & where’s that going to come from? So essentially we’re talking about someone donating money in return for a controlling interest. Again, my first thought is “what are they getting out of it?” Which is why unless they were a Chester fan I’d be very unlikely to vote in favour of risking the existence of the club I love, again, spending a fortune in an effort to get back to fourth division football. All that said, I’d be prepared to listen to any offers made, as I’m sure all fans would. Completely agree with this.
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Post by inthestand on May 23, 2024 15:10:39 GMT
My instinct would always be extreme scepticism of anyone that wanted to “invest”, after all investors expect a return on their investment & where’s that going to come from? So essentially we’re talking about someone donating money in return for a controlling interest. Again, my first thought is “what are they getting out of it?” Which is why unless they were a Chester fan I’d be very unlikely to vote in favour of risking the existence of the club I love, again, spending a fortune in an effort to get back to fourth division football. All that said, I’d be prepared to listen to any offers made, as I’m sure all fans would. Completely agree with this. Look whether a Chester fan with money, a car dealer or a multi millionaire there is always going to be an element of risk…it is with every club that takes on an investor or New owner, but how willing are we able to carry on in the NLN because we couldn’t even afford to be in the national league never mind the EFL under fan ownership…if everyone is happy at the status quo that’s fine…but at the end of the day football is all about climbing the pyramid , its what makes the supporter tick…Wrexham,Stockport,Tranmere,Crewe, Shrewsbury that’s the company we should be in ..like we once were , and remember….they’ve all had their financial problem too at some stage…as for the existence of the club…what could really happen if things went south?…just another tumble down the divisions…be more exciting climbing our way back up..
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Post by Moltisanti on May 23, 2024 15:17:57 GMT
Completely agree with this. Look whether a Chester fan with money, a car dealer or a multi millionaire there is always going to be an element of risk…it is with every club that takes on an investor or New owner, but how willing are we able to carry on in the NLN because we couldn’t even afford to be in the national league never mind the EFL under fan ownership…if everyone is happy at the status quo that’s fine…but at the end of the day football is all about climbing the pyramid , its what makes the supporter tick…Wrexham,Stockport,Tranmere,Crewe, Shrewsbury that’s the company we should be in ..like we once were , and remember….they’ve all had their financial problem too at some stage…as for the existence of the club…what could really happen if things went south?…just another tumble down the divisions…be more exciting climbing our way back up.. Just go bust and keep starting again? Dont think it’s quite as simple as that. 😂
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Post by Blockhead on May 23, 2024 15:18:41 GMT
Completely agree with this. Look whether a Chester fan with money, a car dealer or a multi millionaire there is always going to be an element of risk…it is with every club that takes on an investor or New owner, but how willing are we able to carry on in the NLN because we couldn’t even afford to be in the national league never mind the EFL under fan ownership…if everyone is happy at the status quo that’s fine…but at the end of the day football is all about climbing the pyramid , its what makes the supporter tick…Wrexham,Stockport,Tranmere,Crewe, Shrewsbury that’s the company we should be in ..like we once were , and remember….they’ve all had their financial problem too at some stage…as for the existence of the club…what could really happen if things went south?…just another tumble down the divisions…be more exciting climbing our way back up.. We couldn't even afford to be a football club when we had private ownership.
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Post by yoshimitsu on May 23, 2024 15:33:10 GMT
Some real deluded fools on here.
Chester have practically never been run on a sound financial footing.
To be honest it’s a miracle we kept going as long as we did. That goes for most other fully professional teams also mind.
All talk about whether we can afford to get back in the league or even survive in the league above is just hot air really.
We will be extremely lucky to ever get a wealthy individual or group of individuals willing to put substantial money into the club with an acknowledgment that they will see nothing monetarily back in return.
We have next to no assets. We don’t own our own ground being the big one. We have a small loyal fan base.
We are doing really well for a team in our circumstances.
I have to laugh when people make out that there are fans happy to stay where we are or that the board love having the ‘power’ that they do.
It’s obvious the vast majority of us want to play at as high a level as possible.
How many times are we going to keep going over the subject of a takeover like it’s a real possibility? Because at the minute, it isn’t.
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Post by Moltisanti on May 23, 2024 15:35:37 GMT
Some real deluded fools on here. Chester have practically never been run on a sound financial footing. To be honest it’s a miracle we kept going as long as we did. That goes for most other fully professional teams also mind. All talk about whether we can afford to get back in the league or even survive in the league above is just hot air really. We will be extremely lucky to ever get a wealthy individual or group of individuals willing to put substantial money into the club with an acknowledgment that they will see nothing monetarily back in return. We have next to no assets. We don’t own our own ground being the big one. We have a small loyal fan base. We are doing really well for a team in our circumstances. I have to laugh when people make out that there are fans happy to stay where we are or that the board love having the ‘power’ that they do. It’s obvious the vast majority of us want to play at as high a level as possible. How many times are we going to keep going over the subject of a takeover like it’s a real possibility? Because at the minute, it isn’t. Amen.
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Post by jamieablock on May 23, 2024 15:53:47 GMT
Some real deluded fools on here. Chester have practically never been run on a sound financial footing. To be honest it’s a miracle we kept going as long as we did. That goes for most other fully professional teams also mind. All talk about whether we can afford to get back in the league or even survive in the league above is just hot air really. We will be extremely lucky to ever get a wealthy individual or group of individuals willing to put substantial money into the club with an acknowledgment that they will see nothing monetarily back in return. We have next to no assets. We don’t own our own ground being the big one. We have a small loyal fan base. We are doing really well for a team in our circumstances. I have to laugh when people make out that there are fans happy to stay where we are or that the board love having the ‘power’ that they do. It’s obvious the vast majority of us want to play at as high a level as possible. How many times are we going to keep going over the subject of a takeover like it’s a real possibility? Because at the minute, it isn’t. I agree with this but in order for us to even think about playing league football we’ve got to have the right investment, from the right person/ people.
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Post by Imperial on May 23, 2024 16:11:14 GMT
Completely agree with this. Look whether a Chester fan with money, a car dealer or a multi millionaire there is always going to be an element of risk…it is with every club that takes on an investor or New owner, but how willing are we able to carry on in the NLN because we couldn’t even afford to be in the national league never mind the EFL under fan ownership…if everyone is happy at the status quo that’s fine…but at the end of the day football is all about climbing the pyramid , its what makes the supporter tick…Wrexham,Stockport,Tranmere,Crewe, Shrewsbury that’s the company we should be in ..like we once were , and remember….they’ve all had their financial problem too at some stage…as for the existence of the club…what could really happen if things went south?…just another tumble down the divisions…be more exciting climbing our way back up.. Why don’t you remortgage your house and bet it all on the horses? There’s always an element of risk. Don’t understand how you could be happy living in a three bedroom semi with an affordable mortgage in Saltney when where you should be is a six bedroom detached mansion in Westminster Park? Stability is not some failing.
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Post by welshrover on May 23, 2024 16:23:23 GMT
We have next to no assets. We don’t own our own ground being the big one. This bit is why nobody will come in for us. We lost the ground we did own to "investors in our club"
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Post by Blockhead on May 23, 2024 17:02:16 GMT
We have next to no assets. We don’t own our own ground being the big one. This bit is why nobody will come in for us. We lost the ground we did own to "investors in our club" We also wouldn't have a club now if the club owned the ground when we went bust. Would've been sold to pay off our creditors. Council owning the ground was the best thing that ever happened to us, in hindsight.
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