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Post by Churton Blue on May 23, 2024 20:20:32 GMT
Completely agree with this. Look whether a Chester fan with money, a car dealer or a multi millionaire there is always going to be an element of risk…it is with every club that takes on an investor or New owner, but how willing are we able to carry on in the NLN because we couldn’t even afford to be in the national league never mind the EFL under fan ownership…if everyone is happy at the status quo that’s fine…but at the end of the day football is all about climbing the pyramid , its what makes the supporter tick…Wrexham,Stockport,Tranmere,Crewe, Shrewsbury that’s the company we should be in ..like we once were , and remember….they’ve all had their financial problem too at some stage… as for the existence of the club…what could really happen if things went south?…just another tumble down the divisions…be more exciting climbing our way back up..When you make such comments as these you can see exactly why a number of posters on here think you simply pretend to be a Chester supporter to wind people up.
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Post by waggoner on May 23, 2024 22:06:38 GMT
Completely agree with this. Look whether a Chester fan with money, a car dealer or a multi millionaire there is always going to be an element of risk…it is with every club that takes on an investor or New owner, but how willing are we able to carry on in the NLN because we couldn’t even afford to be in the national league never mind the EFL under fan ownership…if everyone is happy at the status quo that’s fine…but at the end of the day football is all about climbing the pyramid , its what makes the supporter tick…Wrexham,Stockport,Tranmere,Crewe, Shrewsbury that’s the company we should be in ..like we once were , and remember….they’ve all had their financial problem too at some stage…as for the existence of the club…what could really happen if things went south?… just another tumble down the divisions…be more exciting climbing our way back up..I'm controversial in some of the stuff I say but FFS! Do you really think that trying to climb the leagues and failing would keep the fanbase interested? I hope you are the only one that thinks like that. I would love someone to invest money into the club but the investment would have to be water tight and the fans keep the majority of the club. But gung-ho taking a chance of going bust because 'we can just start again' ?
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Post by inthestand on May 24, 2024 7:06:07 GMT
Look whether a Chester fan with money, a car dealer or a multi millionaire there is always going to be an element of risk…it is with every club that takes on an investor or New owner, but how willing are we able to carry on in the NLN because we couldn’t even afford to be in the national league never mind the EFL under fan ownership…if everyone is happy at the status quo that’s fine…but at the end of the day football is all about climbing the pyramid , its what makes the supporter tick…Wrexham,Stockport,Tranmere,Crewe, Shrewsbury that’s the company we should be in ..like we once were , and remember….they’ve all had their financial problem too at some stage… as for the existence of the club…what could really happen if things went south?…just another tumble down the divisions…be more exciting climbing our way back up..When you make such comments as these you can see exactly why a number of posters on here think you simply pretend to be a Chester supporter to wind people up. Anything that is controversial or doesn’t tow the “moderators line”…you are then simply from another club winding people up..I’ve had that for a while..boards are for supporters views…but I’m flustered as much as many on here but the future looks like mid table mediocrity for years to come..being too safe means little progress and supporters will eventually get bored…
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Post by Moltisanti on May 24, 2024 7:29:22 GMT
When you make such comments as these you can see exactly why a number of posters on here think you simply pretend to be a Chester supporter to wind people up. Anything that is controversial or doesn’t tow the “moderators line”…you are then simply from another club winding people up..I’ve had that for a while..boards are for supporters views…but I’m flustered as much as many on here but the future looks like mid table mediocrity for years to come..being too safe means little progress and supporters will eventually get bored… I don’t think you’re a supporter of another club to be fair . Just think you talk complete shite. The post above proves it.
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Post by lincolnexile on May 24, 2024 7:54:53 GMT
When you make such comments as these you can see exactly why a number of posters on here think you simply pretend to be a Chester supporter to wind people up. Anything that is controversial or doesn’t tow the “moderators line”…you are then simply from another club winding people up..I’ve had that for a while..boards are for supporters views…but I’m flustered as much as many on here but the future looks like mid table mediocrity for years to come..being too safe means little progress and supporters will eventually get bored… I don't think you're controversial I just think you're a bit deluded. If you think going bust again would be okay you need to give your head a bit of a shake. With the teams currently in the NLN there's no way we'd do the 3 successive promotions trick again. Just as an aside. Why do you always put 3 full stops after every sentence, I can't be the only person who finds its annoying 🤣🤣🤣
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Post by inthestand on May 24, 2024 8:07:21 GMT
Anything that is controversial or doesn’t tow the “moderators line”…you are then simply from another club winding people up..I’ve had that for a while..boards are for supporters views…but I’m flustered as much as many on here but the future looks like mid table mediocrity for years to come..being too safe means little progress and supporters will eventually get bored… I don’t think you’re a supporter of another club to be fair . Just think you talk complete shite. The post above proves it. Well I’ve read a lot of what you have written…so I’m in good company…😉
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Post by inthestand on May 24, 2024 8:10:13 GMT
Anything that is controversial or doesn’t tow the “moderators line”…you are then simply from another club winding people up..I’ve had that for a while..boards are for supporters views…but I’m flustered as much as many on here but the future looks like mid table mediocrity for years to come..being too safe means little progress and supporters will eventually get bored… I don't think you're controversial I just think you're a bit deluded. If you think going bust again would be okay you need to give your head a bit of a shake. With the teams currently in the NLN there's no way we'd do the 3 successive promotions trick again. Just as an aside. Why do you always put 3 full stops after every sentence, I can't be the only person who finds its annoying 🤣🤣🤣 Ok….ill start doing four….mind….its just for you….cos I luv ya….😍
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Post by Moltisanti on May 24, 2024 8:11:27 GMT
Anything that is controversial or doesn’t tow the “moderators line”…you are then simply from another club winding people up..I’ve had that for a while..boards are for supporters views…but I’m flustered as much as many on here but the future looks like mid table mediocrity for years to come..being too safe means little progress and supporters will eventually get bored… I don’t think you’re a supporter of another club to be fair . Just think you talk complete shite. The post above proves it. Who can’t quote properly.
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Post by Moltisanti on May 24, 2024 8:12:29 GMT
I don’t think you’re a supporter of another club to be fair . Just think you talk complete shite. The post above proves it. Well I’ve read a lot of what you have written…so I’m in good company…😉 I’ll have a £100 bet with you that we finish higher than mid table.
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Post by milnerisgod on May 24, 2024 8:55:26 GMT
Completely agree with this. Look whether a Chester fan with money, a car dealer or a multi millionaire there is always going to be an element of risk…it is with every club that takes on an investor or New owner, but how willing are we able to carry on in the NLN because we couldn’t even afford to be in the national league never mind the EFL under fan ownership…if everyone is happy at the status quo that’s fine…but at the end of the day football is all about climbing the pyramid , its what makes the supporter tick…Wrexham,Stockport,Tranmere,Crewe, Shrewsbury that’s the company we should be in ..like we once were , and remember….they’ve all had their financial problem too at some stage… as for the existence of the club…what could really happen if things went south?…just another tumble down the divisions…be more exciting climbing our way back up.. You're either taking the piss, or have a very short memory. I watched my beloved club die once and have no desire to ever see it happen again. Tumbling down the divisions is one thing, tumbling out of existence another. It's easy to look back from the position that we are now in and forget just how hard it was to start all over again - Fights with the league over which division we were to start in, fights with rival bidders over who got to play at the Deva, fights with ourselves over what it would take to rise through the divisions again. Yes, the first few years under Young were an amazing ride, but this was largely down to the fact it was OUR club, that nobody could ever take away from us, unless we voted en masse for it. And let's not forget, great as our team was in those early years, getting us three straight promotions, we also had some huge slices of luck (were it not for Dan Toronzak, for instance, the buzz could have been killed off in the very first season and I fear we may never have gotten it back). Of course, were the worst to happen, we're an amazing club with a loyal fanbase and yes, we'd pick up the pieces and start all over again. I'm just not sure that even the most dedicated fan, especially those that were there at the death of Chester City FC , could go into it with the same enthusiasm and fight, that we did last time and, without that, we'd be dead in the water. IF this mysterious buyer with a utopian vision ever knocks on the door (the lack of which is always a bit of a sticking point when talking about selling out), then of course, we would look at what was on the table and why they wished to invest. If the offer seemed genuine enough, then it would go to the vote of the fanbase. Just don't be surprised if many of us older fans especially have a lot of questions before jumping into bed with them. I've no more desire to stay stuck in this division than anybody else, but having a club to call my own is of far, far, more importance. Climbing the pyramid may be what we all dream of, but it is far from the only thing that make me, as a supporter and owner of Chester FC, tick.
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Post by milnerisgod on May 24, 2024 9:12:40 GMT
And another thing We still have arguments now, between those who supported SV up till the bitter end, and those who saw through him early doors. Imagine if we sold-out, only for it all to go disastrously wrong and have to pick up the pieces all over again - There'd be an all-out civil war in the fanbase, between those who were jumped into bed with our saviour and those who were dead against it from the start. SV was slightly different, as the fans had little choice regarding club ownership - If we were to give up on the idea of fan ownership and hand over the keys to yet another NewCo, then in the event of failure, starting again with a split fanbase may not be an option next time around. To be clear, like probably most on here I'm not against outside investment and, were an offer to come to the table, I'd 100% consider it - I just don't see it as being that magical piece to complete the Chester FC jigsaw and se us flying up the leagues.
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Post by Lobster on May 24, 2024 9:13:26 GMT
Look whether a Chester fan with money, a car dealer or a multi millionaire there is always going to be an element of risk…it is with every club that takes on an investor or New owner, but how willing are we able to carry on in the NLN because we couldn’t even afford to be in the national league never mind the EFL under fan ownership…if everyone is happy at the status quo that’s fine…but at the end of the day football is all about climbing the pyramid , its what makes the supporter tick…Wrexham,Stockport,Tranmere,Crewe, Shrewsbury that’s the company we should be in ..like we once were , and remember….they’ve all had their financial problem too at some stage… as for the existence of the club…what could really happen if things went south?…just another tumble down the divisions…be more exciting climbing our way back up.. You're either taking the piss, or have a very short memory. I watched my beloved club die once and have no desire to ever see it happen again. Tumbling down the divisions is one thing, tumbling out of existence another. It's easy to look back from the position that we are now in and forget just how hard it was to start all over again - Fights with the league over which division we were to start in, fights with rival bidders over who got to play at the Deva, fights with ourselves over what it would take to rise through the divisions again. Yes, the first few years under Young were an amazing ride, but this was largely down to the fact it was OUR club, that nobody could ever take away from us, unless we voted en masse for it. And let's not forget, great as our team was in those early years, getting us three straight promotions, we also had some huge slices of luck (were it not for Dan Toronzak, for instance, the buzz could have been killed off in the very first season and I fear we may never have gotten it back). Of course, were the worst to happen, we're an amazing club with a loyal fanbase and yes, we'd pick up the pieces and start all over again. I'm just not sure that even the most dedicated fan, especially those that were there at the death of Chester City FC , could go into it with the same enthusiasm and fight, that we did last time and, without that, we'd be dead in the water. IF this mysterious buyer with a utopian vision ever knocks on the door (the lack of which is always a bit of a sticking point when talking about selling out), then of course, we would look at what was on the table and why they wished to invest. If the offer seemed genuine enough, then it would go to the vote of the fanbase. Just don't be surprised if many of us older fans especially have a lot of questions before jumping into bed with them. I've no more desire to stay stuck in this division than anybody else, but having a club to call my own is of far, far, more importance. Climbing the pyramid may be what we all dream of, but it is far from the only thing that make me, as a supporter and owner of Chester FC, tick. Excellent post. I struggle to believe any serious fan could be as glib as to suggest we have a throwaway existence and it would all be a big laugh if we went bust started again. Just seems like something a Wrexham fan would say as a bit of a jibe at the fact that it's happened once.
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Post by Moltisanti on May 24, 2024 9:15:24 GMT
Look whether a Chester fan with money, a car dealer or a multi millionaire there is always going to be an element of risk…it is with every club that takes on an investor or New owner, but how willing are we able to carry on in the NLN because we couldn’t even afford to be in the national league never mind the EFL under fan ownership…if everyone is happy at the status quo that’s fine…but at the end of the day football is all about climbing the pyramid , its what makes the supporter tick…Wrexham,Stockport,Tranmere,Crewe, Shrewsbury that’s the company we should be in ..like we once were , and remember….they’ve all had their financial problem too at some stage… as for the existence of the club…what could really happen if things went south?…just another tumble down the divisions…be more exciting climbing our way back up.. You're either taking the piss, or have a very short memory. I watched my beloved club die once and have no desire to ever see it happen again. Tumbling down the divisions is one thing, tumbling out of existence another. It's easy to look back from the position that we are now in and forget just how hard it was to start all over again - Fights with the league over which division we were to start in, fights with rival bidders over who got to play at the Deva, fights with ourselves over what it would take to rise through the divisions again. Yes, the first few years under Young were an amazing ride, but this was largely down to the fact it was OUR club, that nobody could ever take away from us, unless we voted en masse for it. And let's not forget, great as our team was in those early years, getting us three straight promotions, we also had some huge slices of luck (were it not for Dan Toronzak, for instance, the buzz could have been killed off in the very first season and I fear we may never have gotten it back). Of course, were the worst to happen, we're an amazing club with a loyal fanbase and yes, we'd pick up the pieces and start all over again. I'm just not sure that even the most dedicated fan, especially those that were there at the death of Chester City FC , could go into it with the same enthusiasm and fight, that we did last time and, without that, we'd be dead in the water. IF this mysterious buyer with a utopian vision ever knocks on the door (the lack of which is always a bit of a sticking point when talking about selling out), then of course, we would look at what was on the table and why they wished to invest. If the offer seemed genuine enough, then it would go to the vote of the fanbase. Just don't be surprised if many of us older fans especially have a lot of questions before jumping into bed with them. I've no more desire to stay stuck in this division than anybody else, but having a club to call my own is of far, far, more importance. Climbing the pyramid may be what we all dream of, but it is far from the only thing that make me, as a supporter and owner of Chester FC, tick. Spot on again, Milner. Great post. 👍🏼
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Post by Neil Hunt Nonsense Potter on May 24, 2024 9:36:41 GMT
Look whether a Chester fan with money, a car dealer or a multi millionaire there is always going to be an element of risk…it is with every club that takes on an investor or New owner, but how willing are we able to carry on in the NLN because we couldn’t even afford to be in the national league never mind the EFL under fan ownership…if everyone is happy at the status quo that’s fine…but at the end of the day football is all about climbing the pyramid , its what makes the supporter tick…Wrexham,Stockport,Tranmere,Crewe, Shrewsbury that’s the company we should be in ..like we once were , and remember….they’ve all had their financial problem too at some stage… as for the existence of the club…what could really happen if things went south?…just another tumble down the divisions…be more exciting climbing our way back up.. You're either taking the piss, or have a very short memory. I watched my beloved club die once and have no desire to ever see it happen again. Tumbling down the divisions is one thing, tumbling out of existence another. It's easy to look back from the position that we are now in and forget just how hard it was to start all over again - Fights with the league over which division we were to start in, fights with rival bidders over who got to play at the Deva, fights with ourselves over what it would take to rise through the divisions again. Yes, the first few years under Young were an amazing ride, but this was largely down to the fact it was OUR club, that nobody could ever take away from us, unless we voted en masse for it. And let's not forget, great as our team was in those early years, getting us three straight promotions, we also had some huge slices of luck (were it not for Dan Toronzak, for instance, the buzz could have been killed off in the very first season and I fear we may never have gotten it back). Of course, were the worst to happen, we're an amazing club with a loyal fanbase and yes, we'd pick up the pieces and start all over again. I'm just not sure that even the most dedicated fan, especially those that were there at the death of Chester City FC , could go into it with the same enthusiasm and fight, that we did last time and, without that, we'd be dead in the water. IF this mysterious buyer with a utopian vision ever knocks on the door (the lack of which is always a bit of a sticking point when talking about selling out), then of course, we would look at what was on the table and why they wished to invest. If the offer seemed genuine enough, then it would go to the vote of the fanbase. Just don't be surprised if many of us older fans especially have a lot of questions before jumping into bed with them. I've no more desire to stay stuck in this division than anybody else, but having a club to call my own is of far, far, more importance. Climbing the pyramid may be what we all dream of, but it is far from the only thing that make me, as a supporter and owner of Chester FC, tick. Great post. I'd also add in that if we did go pop again (or if someone came in, "invested" and went pop) there is no way the council lease us the ground again. I enjoy having a club to go and support that represents what I am and where I am from. Do I want that club to win promotions and play in the League again? Yes. Do I want to do it at the risk of having no club to support (or for my Grandchildren to support) by gambling on an investor? He/She would have to be VERY convincing.
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Post by Lobster on May 24, 2024 10:11:27 GMT
Another thing that's not been picked up on in this thread. A Wrexham fan has admitted that they were not able to make fan ownership work. They got twice our attendances even before Ryan Reynolds if we're honest, they get help off the Welsh FA and the University, and yet in the words of their own supporters, supporter ownership would have killed them. They needed a sugar daddy just to stay afloat, let alone progress.
Meanwhile, we've managed as a supporter-owned club for 14 years. Of course it hasn't all been plain sailing and we're all sick of playing in the sixth tier, but overall things are much stabler, and I would say much happier, than they were for most of the '90s and '00s under private ownership.
Next time they give it one about how they're a proper football town and we're just a posh city that plays polo and rowing and doesn't deserve a club, maybe we should remind them which of our two clubs has a fanbase with the passion and dedication to sustain their club without the help of a celebrity multi-millionaire?
I get the limitations of supporter ownership can be frustrating, but can we please ALL take some pride in this? Your first instinct should not be to moan and attack the model. We should actually be blowing our own trumpet about it, and ironically that would actually make us more investable.
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Post by chesterifa on May 24, 2024 10:54:38 GMT
Another thing that's not been picked up on in this thread. A Wrexham fan has admitted that they were not able to make fan ownership work. They got twice our attendances even before Ryan Reynolds if we're honest, they get help off the Welsh FA and the University, and yet in the words of their own supporters, supporter ownership would have killed them. They needed a sugar daddy just to stay afloat, let alone progress. Meanwhile, we've managed as a supporter-owned club for 14 years. Of course it hasn't all been plain sailing and we're all sick of playing in the sixth tier, but overall things are much stabler, and I would say much happier, than they were for most of the '90s and '00s under private ownership. Next time they give it one about how they're a proper football town and we're just a posh city that plays polo and rowing and doesn't deserve a club, maybe we should remind them which of our two clubs has a fanbase with the passion and dedication to sustain their club without the help of a celebrity multi-millionaire? I get the limitations of supporter ownership can be frustrating, but can we please ALL take some pride in this? Your first instinct should not be to moan and attack the model. We should actually be blowing our own trumpet about it, and ironically that would actually make us more investable. Strongly agree at this post. Happy Friday
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Post by boughtonblue on May 24, 2024 12:24:00 GMT
Another thing that's not been picked up on in this thread. A Wrexham fan has admitted that they were not able to make fan ownership work. They got twice our attendances even before Ryan Reynolds if we're honest, they get help off the Welsh FA and the University, and yet in the words of their own supporters, supporter ownership would have killed them. They needed a sugar daddy just to stay afloat, let alone progress. Meanwhile, we've managed as a supporter-owned club for 14 years. Of course it hasn't all been plain sailing and we're all sick of playing in the sixth tier, but overall things are much stabler, and I would say much happier, than they were for most of the '90s and '00s under private ownership. Next time they give it one about how they're a proper football town and we're just a posh city that plays polo and rowing and doesn't deserve a club, maybe we should remind them which of our two clubs has a fanbase with the passion and dedication to sustain their club without the help of a celebrity multi-millionaire? I get the limitations of supporter ownership can be frustrating, but can we please ALL take some pride in this? Your first instinct should not be to moan and attack the model. We should actually be blowing our own trumpet about it, and ironically that would actually make us more investable. Well said, I agree with every word👍
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Post by inthestand on May 24, 2024 12:54:38 GMT
Well I have a two predictions….(4 full stops instead of three for lincolnexile)….5 years time we will be still be in this division without an investor….but within those 5 years we will have someone coming in wanting to make an investment, I say this because it now seems fashionable for companies globally wanting to buy up smaller English clubs, and it’s the City of Chester that might make it an attractive proposition…let’s wait and see how the trend goes for us….🙃
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Post by Lobster on May 24, 2024 13:32:39 GMT
Well I have a two predictions….(4 full stops instead of three for lincolnexile)….5 years time we will be still be in this division without an investor….but within those 5 years we will have someone coming in wanting to make an investment, I say this because it now seems fashionable for companies globally wanting to buy up smaller English clubs, and it’s the City of Chester that might make it an attractive proposition…let’s wait and see how the trend goes for us….🙃 If you're right that there will be an investor in the next five years, I would say it's almost certain the fans will vote in favour. Even if it's some knobhead.
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Post by Harry Lime on May 24, 2024 14:46:58 GMT
Well I have a two predictions….(4 full stops instead of three for lincolnexile)….5 years time we will be still be in this division without an investor….but within those 5 years we will have someone coming in wanting to make an investment, I say this because it now seems fashionable for companies globally wanting to buy up smaller English clubs, and it’s the City of Chester that might make it an attractive proposition…let’s wait and see how the trend goes for us….🙃 If you're right that there will be an investor in the next five years, I would say it's almost certain the fans will vote in favour. Even if it's some knobhead. That's unfortunately a realistic scenario. A combined bid from a Terry Smith/ Guterman partnership (or worse) comes in, and a large portion of our 'supporters' bid in favour of it on the sole premise that they're fed up with NLN.
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Post by Churton Blue on May 26, 2024 8:42:35 GMT
Coalville Town have withdrawn from the Southern Central Premier. Finished level on points with Tamworth the season before last. Having an individual fund a club to live beyond its means usually ends the same way in non league. x.com/KieranMaguire/status/1794491552280236271
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Post by waggoner on May 27, 2024 18:51:48 GMT
Coalville Town have withdrawn from the Southern Central Premier. Finished level on points with Tamworth the season before last. Having an individual fund a club to live beyond its means usually ends the same way in non league. x.com/KieranMaguire/status/1794491552280236271Any non league club will struggle in the current climate. Some money drips down from the premier league but the other thing that drips down from the leagues above are wage demands thus costs. And I think that is what the chairman of Coalville is talking about?
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