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Post by maccfan on Aug 29, 2017 11:56:03 GMT
If Halls is so bad why did your fans giving him foul mouthed abuse at every opportunity? Seems like you miss him! I thought Halls was decent in both games last season against Chester. However, McCarthy could bring in Lukaku and still manage to destroy his abilities! A) Some people will scream abuse at anyone for basically no reason, especially at a football match. Turnbull was getting shouted at by some which is bizarre because he's held in very high esteem at the Moss. B) He irritated some people with his comments when leaving the club - claiming to be owed money when, according to the chairman, the Trophy prize/ticket money hasn't been received so bonuses hadn't yet been paid (personally no idea of the rights/wrongs of this, but moaning on Twitter is probably not the right response). |
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Post by Si on Aug 29, 2017 12:01:04 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all.
The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience.
The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times.
The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me.
His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL.
His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'.
So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that.
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Post by Al on Aug 29, 2017 12:09:54 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all. The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience. The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times. The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me. His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL. His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'. So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that. I think he's posted elsewhere on here about it on the match thread?
I'm sure I saw him say a few lines about him still backing McCarthy
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Post by Si on Aug 29, 2017 12:26:38 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all. The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience. The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times. The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me. His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL. His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'. So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that. I think he's posted elsewhere on here about it on the match thread?
I'm sure I saw him say a few lines about him still backing McCarthy
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 29, 2017 12:31:39 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all. The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience. The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times. The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me. His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL. His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'. So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that. I think he's posted elsewhere on here about it on the match thread?
I'm sure I saw him say a few lines about him still backing McCarthy
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 12:40:12 GMT
Midday the day after the game, and all seems to have gone very quiet with no hint of movement and/or gossip emanating from the Club. Methinks very little, if anything, will happen soon which will not help the general mood around the Club. Can't imagine what the atmosphere is like at training (do we train today?), everybody heard the comments at the final whistle and must be affected by them. How on earth does JM pick up morale after all that's happened? Going on my hols in 36 hours, next game I'll see will be 23rd Sept vs Maidenhead. Got an awful feeling not much will have changed by the time I get back! Yes, I wouldn't hold your breath. Have a great holiday / break. I'm sure you'll need it after watching that shower of shite yesterday. I still believe a small part of the blame needs to fall onto the players but the tactics employed are, unbelievably dire and lack creativity and pretty much everything you need to win games. Cheers blueifa Getting as far away as possible from the Deva so it's the Far East. Mind you, I'll still be keeping an eye on developments on the old mobile much to the annoyance of the enemy who thinks I'm quite mad |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 14:00:28 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all. The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience. The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times. The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me. His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL. His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'. So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that. Great post Si. I'm not so interested in what Richard thinks to be honest, but I am very interested in what the board thinks. Knowing who some of them are and what they've been up to this last 12 months would be a start also. |
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Post by bluefrombirth on Aug 29, 2017 14:08:35 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all. The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience. The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times. The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me. His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL. His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'. So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that. Great post Si. I'm not so interested in what Richard thinks to be honest, but I am very interested in what the board thinks. Knowing who some of them are and what they've been up to this last 12 months would be a start also. You standing for the Board?? |
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Post by billyw on Aug 29, 2017 14:09:09 GMT
It appears there are 3 reasons for not sacking McCarthy 1. He gave up a good job to come here 2. He has got a family to support and 3. He is a decent man.
On the flip side the reasons to sack him are many but the bottom line is that he Is bloody useless at his job and will cause the club to be relegated which could lead to its demise.
A tough decision for the Board - not.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 14:17:25 GMT
Great post Si. I'm not so interested in what Richard thinks to be honest, but I am very interested in what the board thinks. Knowing who some of them are and what they've been up to this last 12 months would be a start also. You standing for the Board?? Nope. Done my bit for now. More than enough. Nowadays just a season ticket holder, CFU member and seals lottery donator though. You? My time on the board is why I know what needs doing by those currently there. Silence creates uncertainty and a sense of burying their heads in the sand. We need strong leadership right now, on and off the field. Almost get the impression that the current board are waiting for the AGM so that the dirty work is done by the new board. |
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Post by Al on Aug 29, 2017 14:34:46 GMT
You standing for the Board?? Nope. Done my bit for now. More than enough. Season ticket holder, CFU member and seals lottery donator though. You? Thats why I know what needs doing by those currently there. Silence creates uncertainty and a sense of burying their heads in the sand.
We need strong leadership right now, on and off the field.
Almost get the impression that the current board are waiting for the AGM so that the dirty work is done by the new board.Strong and Stable leadership in the clubs best interests?
You are right though in what you say. It's never nice to have to sack an employee or discipline them for underperformance, however, in this case it is more than warranted. The club have employed Jon to be the Football Manager, that includes working to deliver results on the field. Something we have not had consistently since December last year. Blips in form I can take, but this run is not a 'blip', and his passive aggressiveness in his dealings with the press, and his continued denial to take responsibility for this poor run is too much.
We are a Football Club, it is a results orientated business, you live and die by the results you get on the pitch. He has not delivered results at home since 17th December 2016.
He has won 4 points out of 42 at home
That isn't just relegation form. That's marooned at the bottom of the league effectively relegated by January form.
If the Operations Board cannot or do not wish to make the decision then surely to god the CFU board, and CFU Members, should make the decision for them?
Do we call an EGM?
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Post by Matt on Aug 29, 2017 14:40:31 GMT
No matter how much of a nice guy he may be, it's a cut throat business, he knows what he was getting into, it's not been good enough since January. We've been more than patient. If he doesn't go the position and the Football Club will only get more damaging.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Aug 29, 2017 14:46:28 GMT
what is it going to take to get the board to do something?
Starting to wonder if there is something else which we don't know about aside from the financial implications.
On results alone during this year he has to go.
It is rather sad but our club comes first.
I personally would like whoever comes in given as much time as possible therefore act now ideally today in order that we can stop worrying and start to feel positive about our club which means so much to us all.
It's nothing personal but sadly it isn't and is highly unlikely to work hence action needed.
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Post by trev on Aug 29, 2017 15:57:55 GMT
You standing for the Board?? Nope. Done my bit for now. More than enough. Nowadays just a season ticket holder, CFU member and seals lottery donator though. You? My time on the board is why I know what needs doing by those currently there.
Silence creates uncertainty and a sense of burying their heads in the sand.
We need strong leadership right now, on and off the field.
Almost get the impression that the current board are waiting for the AGM so that the dirty work is done by the new board.
This succinct analysis from someone who is well qualified to make it, is very worrying. Recent communication from the Board has been practically non-existent with the wider fanbase. Indeed, we haven't even had the dreaded vote of confidence ! I thought when MM was appointed, the role of Chairman was to act as the club's figurehead and improve communication between the board and the fans. At the moment, without first looking at the CFU website, I didn't even know who the chairman is! For whatever reason, and maybe financial issues are far more serious than we know, the impression is given that matters will be allowed to drift on as long as possible. Given the totally unacceptable home form, it looks like the Ebbsfleet game has the potential of finally bringing matters to head. Nevertheless, I suspect there is still a willingness, however illogical, to believe Jon remains the right man for the job. Some of Jon’s main defenders, who are/have been very close to the inner workings of the club, have said that the criteria for judging the performance of CFCs first team manager should not be based solely on results. with other considerations needing to be taken into account such as his successful work in the community , his buying- in to the ethos of the supporter owned model , and not least the personal impact on Jon himself from losing his job. Given this, it is perhaps not unsurprising that the board are not seemingly willing or able to act decisively in swiftly removing Mr McCarthy which is now so necessary.
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Post by thetheremin on Aug 29, 2017 16:31:45 GMT
It appears there are 3 reasons for not sacking McCarthy 1. He gave up a good job to come here 2. He has got a family to support and 3. He is a decent man. On the flip side the reasons to sack him are many but the bottom line is that he Is bloody useless at his job and will cause the club to be relegated which could lead to its demise. A tough decision for the Board - not. It depends on Macca but it's possibly not that tough a decision. Swallow his pride and move to one side to assist with coaching and continue community work. Shaw has to be back on the pitch. Iwelumo has to go - something really badly wrong in that area. |
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Post by Paul Da Part on Aug 29, 2017 18:09:19 GMT
Just endured the post match interview. 8 minutes of pure drivel from the manager. I found his response to questions about the fans reaction at the end of the game downright disrespectful. You have a journalist, doing his job to the best of his capabilities, asking a question that many of the supporters want answering and he gets a heated reply from the manager. For a split second, McCarthy even looked like he was going to threaten to storm away from the interview. His body language changed instantly and then he starts his rambling on. Suprised he is still in the job now to be honest and the silence from the board on the matter is, quite frankly, deafening. Just a statement to say that they are concerned about the recent run of results and the managers conduct toward the press is under scrutiny would suffice. Can't ask for too much though, can we? We haven't got a pot to piss in and that is the real reason we've not parted company with this parody of a manager. We should have learnt our lessons after the Burr fiasco, we didn't. We are back in this desperate situation and of nothing is done, the decline could be terminal. There is only one direction this club is currently heading and that is Conference North. If only we could make things easy for ourselves?! Then again, that wouldn't be the Chester way, would it?!
UntilMcCarthy goes, there is absolutely nothing to be positive about. There is always this constant dark cloud cast over the Deva. Mind you, you could argue that dark cloud has been there for the past 25 years. It's been nothing but a curse that stadium?! Hand on, blaming the stadium for our misfortunes, I'm beginning to sound like McCarthy there, there's an excuse for him to use in the future (we all know he comes on here to say what the "fantastic" fans are saying about him!) The final straw for me was the defeat at Sutton at the end of last season. To see his complete lack of class in the interview yesterday tellls you everything you need to know. He's not this "nice person" that everyone has been making him out to be, is he?
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Post by Deva Chanter on Aug 29, 2017 18:58:35 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all. The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience. The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times. The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me. His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL. His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'. So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that. Great post Si. I'm not so interested in what Richard thinks to be honest, but I am very interested in what the board thinks. Knowing who some of them are and what they've been up to this last 12 months would be a start also. Details of who the CFU board is made up of is on the CFU website, here's the link - CFU Board |
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Aug 29, 2017 20:34:23 GMT
What a surprise no news at all not even a club statement. Do they have any respect for the fans of our club?
I'm sorry but something has to happen. It's shambolic/embarrassing state of affairs from the board.
Believe me I'm all for giving it time etc but we have been more than generous surely?
Let's see how negative Jon wants to be against the leagues bottom club who are in a mess with their nasty asset stripping owners.
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Post by soulseal on Aug 29, 2017 20:39:00 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all. The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience. The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times. The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me. His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL. His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'. So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that. A good considered post Big Si. I have been a supporter of Macca. As much for the concept of a steady long term approach as I have said previously, than for Macca myself, but I support Chester and those that represent the club. I have been been very irritated by the contempt some fans hold him in, going back even to when we had that run last season ( so long ago....). Even when we were winning he didn't get the plaudits from some. It was Sharps or it was lucky etc... I suppose some saw him as part of the Burr era. Anyway I was always prepared to give him time, but there was something about the defeat to Macc that makes any continuation of his position untenable for me. we have two away games now against the bottom two teams. Anything less than two victories would demonstrate we cannot continue with him. Notwithstanding the striker injury situation which is so Chester, Torquay and Solihull have to be there for the taking. if we win both I will give him a reprieve. Otherwise I cannot and will eat humble pie in the the face of the told you so's. |
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Post by noddy on Aug 29, 2017 21:31:06 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all. The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience. The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times. The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me. His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL. His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'. So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that. A good considered post Big Si. I have been a supporter of Macca. As much for the concept of a steady long term approach as I have said previously, than for Macca myself, but I support Chester and those that represent the club. I have been been very irritated by the contempt some fans hold him in, going back even to when we had that run last season ( so long ago....). Even when we were winning he didn't get the plaudits from some. It was Sharps or it was lucky etc... I suppose some saw him as part of the Burr era. Anyway I was always prepared to give him time, but there was something about the defeat to Macc that makes any continuation of his position untenable for me. we have two away games now against the bottom two teams. Anything less than two victories would demonstrate we cannot continue with him. Notwithstanding the striker injury situation which is so Chester, Torquay and Solihull have to be there for the taking. if we win both I will give him a reprieve. Otherwise I cannot and will eat humble pie in the the face of the told you so's. Regardless of results against Torquay and Solihull, even if we somehow manage to pick up 6 points McCarthy is a dead man walking, only a matter of time before he is shown the door. You can't alienate the fan base, row with supporters and be tetchy and evasive with the press and most importantly you can't set sides up like the away team and expect to acquire enough points to keep us in the Conference Premier! Something has to give and soon. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 29, 2017 21:58:01 GMT
What a surprise no news at all not even a club statement. Do they have any respect for the fans of our club? I'm sorry but something has to happen. It's shambolic/embarrassing state of affairs from the board. Believe me I'm all for giving it time etc but we have been more than generous surely? Let's see how negative Jon wants to be against the leagues bottom club who are in a mess with their nasty asset stripping owners. You weren't expecting one, were you? The tactic, if you're a board member, is to bury your head in the sand and hope and pray for at least 4 points from the next two games so you can grimly try and cling on to the hope that JM is the right man for the job. If you just ignore the noise, it goes away after a few days - until the next home defeat. That has been pretty evident since last Spring. I do keep coming back to the question. How bad does it have to get before they do the honourable thing? |
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Aug 29, 2017 22:09:18 GMT
Not really Tarvin but this is getting embarrassing now surely? I plan to make the trip down to plainmoor on Saturday and I shall also be at the Solihull game. I'd of liked to have seen Tom Shaw have a go a preparing our side for these two pretty important games. I know he has no experience but his presumed fresh approach and new ideas might help. It certainly can't be any worse than what's currently on offer?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2017 22:11:30 GMT
What a surprise no news at all not even a club statement. Do they have any respect for the fans of our club? I'm sorry but something has to happen. It's shambolic/embarrassing state of affairs from the board. Believe me I'm all for giving it time etc but we have been more than generous surely? Let's see how negative Jon wants to be against the leagues bottom club who are in a mess with their nasty asset stripping owners. You weren't expecting one, were you? The tactic, if you're a board member, is to bury your head in the sand and hope and pray for at least 4 points from the next two games so you can grimly try and cling on to the hope that JM is the right man for the job. If you just ignore the noise, it goes away after a few days - until the next home defeat. That has been pretty evident since last Spring. I do keep coming back to the question. How bad does it have to get before they do the honourable thing? The club have to make a change for the good of the club, it's not going to go away and I can see it getting nastier, especially if the board don't act soon. I don't just mean the fans turning on Macca, the anger WILL turn towards board members. The board are elected to act in the best interests of the club and it's members, they are not doing that. Picking up points from the next 2 games will just paper over the cracks. Action has to be taken now |
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Post by whopper1 on Aug 29, 2017 22:13:04 GMT
I'll tell you had bad it has to get,the board will stick with him this season, certain relegation then it will finally dawn on them,conference north then for ten years
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Post by steveo1 on Aug 29, 2017 22:18:19 GMT
You weren't expecting one, were you? The tactic, if you're a board member, is to bury your head in the sand and hope and pray for at least 4 points from the next two games so you can grimly try and cling on to the hope that JM is the right man for the job. If you just ignore the noise, it goes away after a few days - until the next home defeat. That has been pretty evident since last Spring. I do keep coming back to the question. How bad does it have to get before they do the honourable thing? The club have to make a change for the good of the club, it's not going to go away and I can see it getting nastier, especially if the board don't act soon. I don't just mean the fans turning on Macca, the anger WILL turn towards board members. The board are elected to act in the best interests of the club and it's members, they are not doing that. Picking up points from the next 2 games will just paper over the cracks. Action has to be taken now Completely agree, long term is this guy going to turn it around? No chance.He has completely lost the plot and the relationship between him and the fans is gone. Why are we waiting two more games? Because it's two winnable fixtures is that why? What about the previous 9 months? Is that enough to go on. Let's say we get a win or even two, it will make no difference for the games after that. There is no unbeaten streak coming like last season and I would be shocked if we kept two clean sheets on the bounce nevermind anymore. |
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 29, 2017 22:21:11 GMT
Not really Tarvin but this is getting embarrassing now surely? I plan to make the trip down to plainmoor on Saturday and I shall also be at the Solihull game. I'd of liked to have seen Tom Shaw have a go a preparing our side for these two pretty important games. I know he has no experience but his presumed fresh approach and new ideas might help. It certainly can't be any worse than what's currently on offer? Fair play, pal. Making the trip to Torquay on Saturday is fantastic commitment - I hope you are rewarded for your effort. I'd have normally gone to Solihull but not whilst he's still at the helm. I'll be picking and choosing games, using my season ticket, until the day finally comes when we can make a fresh start. |
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Aug 29, 2017 22:57:23 GMT
Yes it is but I can make the game so I shall go. It's also possible that we may not go there for a while after this season. For yourself who has coughed up for a season ticket to feel that you need to pick and choose games really is a sad state of affairs. I would imagine he will have us sitting deep at Moors as whilst they are not great they do have quite a bit of pace in their side.
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 30, 2017 5:50:33 GMT
I missed the last 2 games due to being away, but I've booked B & B in Torquay for this game. This fixture last season was the last game I saw us win and it was only a lot of luck and a captain's performance from Sam that we won it. Not even sure we are favourites to beat a team that have taken 1 point from 21. I may also go to Solihull too but I'm reluctant to put any money in their coffers after what they did on 5th August.
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Post by richard on Aug 30, 2017 12:54:40 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all. The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience. The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times. The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me. His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL. His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'. So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that. Hi Big Si, Apart from the points made in other threads, I have the feeling that a line was drawn under last season and it was decided to give the manager the backing in terms of playing budget to bring in some quality, in the hope that we would improve on the field. That being the case, 6 games with 2 defeats, 3 draws and a win is not sacking form. It's not great, but neither is it disastrous. So I imagine the decisions made to offer that backing were made for a number of reasons. Financial exposure regarding the managers contract but also because Jon McCarthy adds a great deal in terms of positivity and professionalism to our Community club. Everyone, including myself understand that a limit has to be applied to such backing and I sincerely hope the manager gets it right and we can get a run going that moves us up the table. I understand that some can't leave last season behind, let's face it it's awful not to have won at home for so long. I share that concern, but I don't necessarily agree that the Board are being weak in not taking action at this time, in fact it could reasonably be argued that the opposite is the case after 6 games of the season. We need to be consistent in our approach to our employees and not be a firing club or how then would we be different to say, Southport? If we are to retain our point of difference as a Community focused fan owned club we surely have to show faith in those to whom we appoint, but not at any cost. I'm glad I don't have to make the difficult decisions, but we have elected others who have to do so. Good luck to them |
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Post by Al on Aug 30, 2017 13:02:54 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all. The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience. The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times. The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me. His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL. His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'. So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that. Hi Big Si, Apart from the points made in other threads, I have the feeling that a line was drawn under last season and it was decided to give the manager the backing in terms of playing budget to bring in some quality, in the hope that we would improve on the field. That being the case, 6 games with 2 defeats, 3 draws and a win is not sacking form. It's not great, but neither is it disastrous. So I imagine the decisions made to offer that backing were made for a number of reasons. Financial exposure regarding the managers contract but also because Jon McCarthy adds a great deal in terms of positivity and professionalism to our Community club.Everyone, including myself understand that a limit has to be applied to such backing and I sincerely hope the manager gets it right and we can get a run going that moves us up the table. I understand that some can't leave last season behind, let's face it it's awful not to have won at home for so long. I share that concern, but I don't necessarily agree that the Board are being weak in not taking action at this time, in fact it could reasonably be argued that the opposite is the case after 6 games of the season. We need to be consistent in our approach to our employees and not be a firing club or how then would we be different to say, Southport? If we are to retain our point of difference as a Community focused fan owned club we surely have to show faith in those to whom we appoint, but not at any cost. I'm glad I don't have to make the difficult decisions, but we have elected others who have to do so. Good luck to them I'm sorry Richard but I very nearly spat my cup of coffee out at that.
Adds positivity and professionalism... I think you've lost it
Edit: 12min later and I still can't believe you've actually said that. There's been some deluded comments on both Deva Chats over the years but that, my god that is something truly 'special'.
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