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Post by richard on Aug 30, 2017 13:26:23 GMT
Hi Big Si, Apart from the points made in other threads, I have the feeling that a line was drawn under last season and it was decided to give the manager the backing in terms of playing budget to bring in some quality, in the hope that we would improve on the field. That being the case, 6 games with 2 defeats, 3 draws and a win is not sacking form. It's not great, but neither is it disastrous. So I imagine the decisions made to offer that backing were made for a number of reasons. Financial exposure regarding the managers contract but also because Jon McCarthy adds a great deal in terms of positivity and professionalism to our Community club.Everyone, including myself understand that a limit has to be applied to such backing and I sincerely hope the manager gets it right and we can get a run going that moves us up the table. I understand that some can't leave last season behind, let's face it it's awful not to have won at home for so long. I share that concern, but I don't necessarily agree that the Board are being weak in not taking action at this time, in fact it could reasonably be argued that the opposite is the case after 6 games of the season. We need to be consistent in our approach to our employees and not be a firing club or how then would we be different to say, Southport? If we are to retain our point of difference as a Community focused fan owned club we surely have to show faith in those to whom we appoint, but not at any cost. I'm glad I don't have to make the difficult decisions, but we have elected others who have to do so. Good luck to them I'm sorry Richard but I very nearly spat my cup of coffee out at that.
Adds positivity and professionalism... I think you've lost it
Edit: 12min later and I still can't believe you've actually said that. There's been some deluded comments on both Deva Chats over the years but that, my god that is something truly 'special'.
So how much time do you spend talking to people who work or volunteer at the club to call that comment deluded. Just say you don't agree and the edit for theatrical effect just makes you look silly. |
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Post by Al on Aug 30, 2017 13:27:04 GMT
Richard, how does he add a great deal of positivity and professionalism?
Give examples please.
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Post by richard on Aug 30, 2017 13:36:10 GMT
Richard, how does he add a great deal of positivity and professionalism? Give examples please. Try spending a little time volunteering down at the club and you will see. I won't be drawn into a protracted debate with you fella. It wouldn't matter what I said would it? In truth your mind is closed to a counter argument, so there would be little point in continuing. |
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Post by Al on Aug 30, 2017 13:43:39 GMT
Richard, how does he add a great deal of positivity and professionalism? Give examples please. Try spending a little time volunteering down at the club and you will see. I won't be drawn into a protracted debate with you fella. It wouldn't matter what I said would it? In truth your mind is closed to a counter argument, so there would be little point in continuing. No I just want you to provide a rationale as to why you've come to that conclusion.
Do you volunteer down at the club?
Give examples as to why you believe he adds a great deal of positivity and professionalism for our fan-owned club.
Whilst I believe he's a nice bloke, I also believe he's pretty rubbish as a football manager. Our home record, league table position, and falling gates are testament to that, oh as well as his quite dreadful encounters with the local press.
Now again, please provide us all with evidence as to why you think he's a positive, and professional person.
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Post by Matt on Aug 30, 2017 13:47:29 GMT
Richard, how does he add a great deal of positivity and professionalism? Give examples please. Try spending a little time volunteering down at the club and you will see. I won't be drawn into a protracted debate with you fella. It wouldn't matter what I said would it? In truth your mind is closed to a counter argument, so there would be little point in continuing. Why don't they put him down as the bin collector then? and we can get a manager who actually knows Football. |
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Post by Little Blue Boy on Aug 30, 2017 13:50:58 GMT
What a surprise no news at all not even a club statement. Do they have any respect for the fans of our club? I'm sorry but something has to happen. It's shambolic/embarrassing state of affairs from the board. Believe me I'm all for giving it time etc but we have been more than generous surely? Let's see how negative Jon wants to be against the leagues bottom club who are in a mess with their nasty asset stripping owners. You weren't expecting one, were you? The tactic, if you're a board member, is to bury your head in the sand and hope and pray for at least 4 points from the next two games so you can grimly try and cling on to the hope that JM is the right man for the job. If you just ignore the noise, it goes away after a few days - until the next home defeat. That has been pretty evident since last Spring. I do keep coming back to the question. How bad does it have to get before they do the honourable thing? In fairness, under our model, it will require a majority to make any decision on things like this, and I'm certain there will be board members who are equally frustrated - they are fans like us at the end of the day. As others have said, the board are elected to represent us, and all of their email addresses should be publicly available on the CFU website (some don't appear to be available, not sure why). Here they are: sam.swash@chesterfc.com anne.salmon@chesterfc.com mike.day@chesterfc.com brian.burns@chesterfc.com neil.bellis@chesterfc.com marion.needham@chesterfc.com jonny.hughes@chesterfc.com laurence.kirby@chesterfc.com I think the board get a bit of a bad press on here sometimes. I've bumped into a few board members in the Blues Bar this season such as Anne and Sam, and they have been more than happy to have a chat. |
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 30, 2017 13:58:59 GMT
Quite a long interview with Mark Maguire now up on Chester FC TV (YouTube). He says he and the board have had strong words with McCarthy.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Aug 30, 2017 14:10:22 GMT
Try spending a little time volunteering down at the club and you will see. I won't be drawn into a protracted debate with you fella. It wouldn't matter what I said would it? In truth your mind is closed to a counter argument, so there would be little point in continuing. No I just want you to provide a rationale as to why you've come to that conclusion.
Do you volunteer down at the club?
Give examples as to why you believe he adds a great deal of positivity and professionalism for our fan-owned club.
Whilst I believe he's a nice bloke, I also believe he's pretty rubbish as a football manager. Our home record, league table position, and falling gates are testament to that, oh as well as his quite dreadful encounters with the local press.
Now again, please provide us all with evidence as to why you think he's a positive, and professional person.
Would tend to agree that the tone of his interviews with the press hardly convey "positivity" or "professionalism" - quite the polar opposite in fact. What sort of light does it shed on us to an outsider watching these interviews? |
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Post by marner93 on Aug 30, 2017 14:21:48 GMT
Try spending a little time volunteering down at the club and you will see. I won't be drawn into a protracted debate with you fella. It wouldn't matter what I said would it? In truth your mind is closed to a counter argument, so there would be little point in continuing. No I just want you to provide a rationale as to why you've come to that conclusion.
Do you volunteer down at the club?
Give examples as to why you believe he adds a great deal of positivity and professionalism for our fan-owned club.
Whilst I believe he's a nice bloke, I also believe he's pretty rubbish as a football manager. Our home record, league table position, and falling gates are testament to that, oh as well as his quite dreadful encounters with the local press.
Now again, please provide us all with evidence as to why you think he's a positive, and professional person.
Maybe you should have a go at managing, you're a whizz at FM on the computer. |
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Post by Al on Aug 30, 2017 14:31:39 GMT
No I just want you to provide a rationale as to why you've come to that conclusion.
Do you volunteer down at the club?
Give examples as to why you believe he adds a great deal of positivity and professionalism for our fan-owned club.
Whilst I believe he's a nice bloke, I also believe he's pretty rubbish as a football manager. Our home record, league table position, and falling gates are testament to that, oh as well as his quite dreadful encounters with the local press.
Now again, please provide us all with evidence as to why you think he's a positive, and professional person.
Maybe you should have a go at managing, you're a whizz at FM on the computer.
Ha now that would be a sight and a half.
"Flick it for fuck sake!"
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Post by Anders on Aug 30, 2017 16:14:02 GMT
I know Richard gets a bit of a hammering on here, but I'm genuinly interested to hear what he or anyone else has to say about having genuine reasons for retaining JM? It's not a question of support - whoever the manager is on a match day gets my support and I'm sure its the same for the majority. If you turn up and pay £18 hoping that we lose then I'd question why you're even there at all. The home form has been dreadful for many months now - how long can that be tolerated? The majority, as has been shown in the last 2 home games, have finally lost patience. The players - we were all happy with who JM signed in the summer given that they all had plenty of experience. They don't seem to be enjoying their football with us. They appear frustrated by the tactics they are being asked to play. The only thing I can say in his defence is that its rotten luck having 4 strikers out injured, but that's the risk we take when we've signed players with questionable fitness records in recent times. The tactics - even staunch JM believers would surely concede that its utterly dreadful watching us sitting deep and giving the teams the freedom of the park whilst we pump it up to strikers who are best suited with the ball at feet. Surely nobody can enjoy paying their money to watch us at home? Its been the same for a long time. You can play 'boring' football but it has to yield results. Is there a plan B? Will he compromise and try other tactics or does he really believe this is the best way to utilise this squad of players? Other managers have figured us out, they do their homework and set their team up accordingly. I can't even start talking about everyone back at corners, it really angers me. His relationship with the fans is beyond repair - it cannot be healthy to have such a divide and it creates a toxic atmosphere. The effect of this is that we'll be adrift in the bottom 4 with crowds of around 1200, which could set the club back many years. We don't have a backer, so how can we afford to be so passive and allow things to spiral so low? We will not return from the Conference North anytime soon believe me. Staying in this league is CRUCIAL. His relationship with the press has been strained for months, and he is extremely intolerant of any questions that question anything he does. Accusing journalists (who are Chester fans themselves) of having an agenda against the club is a terrible thing to say and is not very befitting of the so called 'decent bloke'. So my question to those that still believe in him is simply why? I'm not having a go at anyone for having that opinion, I just can't see any other reasons for sticking with him other than its early in the season, but we all know there's more to it than that. Hi Big Si, Apart from the points made in other threads, I have the feeling that a line was drawn under last season and it was decided to give the manager the backing in terms of playing budget to bring in some quality, in the hope that we would improve on the field. That being the case, 6 games with 2 defeats, 3 draws and a win is not sacking form. It's not great, but neither is it disastrous. So I imagine the decisions made to offer that backing were made for a number of reasons. Financial exposure regarding the managers contract but also because Jon McCarthy adds a great deal in terms of positivity and professionalism to our Community club. Everyone, including myself understand that a limit has to be applied to such backing and I sincerely hope the manager gets it right and we can get a run going that moves us up the table. I understand that some can't leave last season behind, let's face it it's awful not to have won at home for so long. I share that concern, but I don't necessarily agree that the Board are being weak in not taking action at this time, in fact it could reasonably be argued that the opposite is the case after 6 games of the season. We need to be consistent in our approach to our employees and not be a firing club or how then would we be different to say, Southport? If we are to retain our point of difference as a Community focused fan owned club we surely have to show faith in those to whom we appoint, but not at any cost. I'm glad I don't have to make the difficult decisions, but we have elected others who have to do so. Good luck to them I suppose it’s all personal opinion on whether you believe that 6 games with 2 defeats, 3 draws and a win is not sacking form but it absolutely is relegation form. Accumulating six points from six games is a point a game and 46 points is highly unlikely to be enough to stave off relegation at the end of the season. Also, what concerns me is that the three draws we’ve picked up have all been closer to defeats than wins and the solitary win itself was also fortunate. How long can we keep being lucky? Six games in and we’re all drained and tired already, it’s only going to get tougher. I don’t believe JM showed much professionalism in his post-match interview on Monday either. Huffing and puffing, looking like he was going to storm out, sulking and then accusing a journalist of having an agenda against him? It was ugly viewing and if anything he should probably apologise to Charlie for it. |
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Post by southernblue on Aug 31, 2017 5:21:02 GMT
I am not as quick as most to call for a manager's head. I am usually a good barometer for when the board has had enough because by the time I have had enough is usually around the same time the board takes action.
I am just about at that point now. The only glimmer of hope is that we have four away games in the next five. It is ridiculous to be saying that. A manager should be able to identify a problem and adapt but JM seems incapable of changing his failing approach to home games.
Aiming merely to be unbeaten is not good enough. It was to prevent such negative play that the league changed from two points for a win to three.
Ebbsfleet are unbeaten and 13th. Sutton have lost two but are top. Both have played the same amount. Too many draws kills you, NY and even Burr understood this and risked losing in the pursuit of all three points. In the long run it pays off.
I had reservations about the length of JM's contract at the time despite thinking as we all did that he was the right man for the job. This is obviously keeping him in the job as if it is seen that there are enough occasional results that we are not nailed on to go down then each week is one less week of a hefty pay off that the club can ill afford. However, neither can we afford the drop in gate receipts. A very difficult predicament for the board, and I don't feel they should be criticised at this very moment for not having pulled the trigger.
Time is definitely running out for JM though if we simply cannot change and begin winning at home, needs to happen in the next three games or I feel that's it.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 31, 2017 12:36:45 GMT
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Post by Johnnybling on Sept 2, 2017 15:07:50 GMT
Got to go after this
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