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Post by dtonthewing on Aug 26, 2018 11:49:21 GMT
Community led club trying to attract younger fans, the reaction of our fans at the end and the abuse hurled at the management and staff was embarrassing, I will not bring my son to games for a good reason and that's sad for the future of our club.
the 8-1 was a debacle, felt yesterday wasn't too bad, went to pot for 15 minutes and hit on the counter for the third. The new formation was better, Shaw came on looked decent, forwards are a problem, Dudley needs some help, the loss of Tuton and his energy upfront is clear to see, Marsh-Hughes needs time, no doubt he'll be a future starter for us.
The football and effort under McCarthy was awful, the football, albeit calamitous at times, is better. The effort is definitely there, lack of quality but this will be something for Bern and Jonno to sort out. Have to give them time, getting on the players back, does it ever help.
The National League North is miles ahead of when we walked it under Young, no Vauxhall, Colwyn Bay now, number of decent teams with big followings, I'd take winning more than we lose and see how we go from there.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Aug 26, 2018 11:57:59 GMT
My match highlights:
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Post by jb on Aug 26, 2018 12:07:09 GMT
Udoh looked a player yesterday too. Exactly the type of player we could use. Physical, direct with pace to burn. On the basis of yesterday, could see him making Telford some £. I think for all of his flaws, Bignot had a decent eye for a player. We’d make Hobson and Rapley look good these days. Getting really fed up of losing and making poor players look good. Udoh didn’t even touch the ball at the Halifax debacle last season.
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Aug 26, 2018 12:13:12 GMT
I was incredibly excited when we appointed B&J, just won the league, experience of working on a shoestring etc. That seems a distant memory now. Yeah we were beaten by the better side yesterday but that’s no excuse for a lack of shape, players not knowing who’s on set pieces, clearances repeatedly dropping to white shirts. I properly lost my rag yesterday. For those who are criticising the abuse & then also the love in, did it not occur that the players coming over & apologising might have been what calmed things down? They will of course have my support again next week. Players & managers. Lost it myself. Left after the second. That first 20 minutes was worse than anything I seen last season and I went most home and away games. Disgrace.
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Post by tonya on Aug 26, 2018 12:24:22 GMT
Well done for doing this Rio. We didnt look too bad really. From the forum comments i rxpected much worse.
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Post by sqzl on Aug 26, 2018 13:25:44 GMT
Fairly sure that training runournis utter cr*p because we lost 1-8 and everyone loves a rumour. Anyway, a quick point I wanted to make is that we slated some of last years squad: Richards, White, Udoh all included, but they’re scoring goals in this league and finding success. Some aren’t of course, but I tell you now I’d have Udoh and Richards over Mahon and Smalley (striker) even if he’s not played. 'Fairly sure that training runournis utter cr*p because we lost 1-8 and everyone loves a rumour' Nothing cr*p about it; It's not a rumour, it's a fact they train 2 nights a week for 2 hours in Chester. Big difference between full and part time and it impacts a lot on player recruitment. It's definitely a disadvantage as i'm sure most part time clubs will agree but you can have success but its going to take time. I’m guessing you didn’t hear the rumour Terry? The rumour I’m referring too is that players are refusing to train in Chester. That is what I’m referring to as utter crap. I’m well aware of our part time training regime.
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Post by bazza on Aug 26, 2018 13:40:32 GMT
Well the players DO train in chester at the ground or at saughall as i have said.
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Post by Churton Blue on Aug 26, 2018 13:42:54 GMT
Well done for doing this Rio. We didnt look too bad really. From the forum comments i rxpected much worse. There was an over reaction yesterday from a few fans at the match and a couple on here. I think that was as much down to the 8-1 at Blyth as to what happened at Telford.
There was no lack of effort or commitment from where I was watching. I actually thought we kept possession well at times and were quite brave on the ball.
However there were a number of things in regard to players and management that were very poor. Our shape was not good enough and the players chosen to implement it just plain wrong. For example Craig Mahon will never be a central midfielder.
Player wise two are not up to Conference North standard and another looked past it. Despite some good possession we carried no threat in attack and only created one chance other than the goal from a corner. Our central defenders were woeful in the first half with the defending for the second goal abysmal from both of them. Moran improved things in the second half and despite the management preferring the other three he is the only central defender with any pace that could play with any of the others.
Green, Roberts and possibly Deane Smalley could improve things player wise but the managers will have to up their game tactically as well as bringing a couple more in. Being very charitable you could say that they are seeing what works. You could also say that some things are blindingly obvious without trying them.
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 26, 2018 13:46:04 GMT
From the shambles of the last 18 months, it was always going to be a struggle to re-build the team and the club. It is not easy to build a team from scratch, unless you are a miricle worker. Like I said the team that starts the season, may not be the team, that ends it. Although, I would expect us to become more competitive as the season progresses. And it is not a reflection of the level of ambition, just a reflection of where we are at the moment. It looks like Bernard and Johnno's atempt to superimpose Salford City onto Chester F.C., may need a re-think. Before the season started I made a point that I was disappointed that we were almost exclusively signing ex-Salford and ex-Ramsbottom players and I got dog's abuse. It would appear that most of these ex-Salford players were not 1st team regulars, and it's no surprise that 40% of them are not up to the task. As btb says I cannot see the 2 managers seeing out the season, but I am not calling for them to be sacked. They need more time to try to turn it around, but cannot see them hanging around if they continue to get the kind of abuse that they got at Telford. Neil Young next season anyone?
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 26, 2018 13:58:24 GMT
Udoh looked a player yesterday too. Exactly the type of player we could use. Physical, direct with pace to burn. On the basis of yesterday, could see him making Telford some £. I think for all of his flaws, Bignot had a decent eye for a player. We’d make Hobson and Rapley look good these days. Getting really fed up of losing and making poor players look good. Udoh didn’t even touch the ball at the Halifax debacle last season.
I didn't go to Halifax last season as I was on holiday, but that highlighted bit says more about the club than the player. Shocking.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2018 14:46:37 GMT
Well the players DO train in chester at the ground or at saughall as i have said. Did hear yesterday that some training sessions being held nearer Mcr Baz? Nothing in that then? What was surprising was how much more hunger Lloyd Marsh-Hughes showed in 20 minutes than Antony Dudley did in 90+. Again, happy to accept a lack of ability, but the lack of urgency and desire at times was worrying. Upwards and onwards, Guiseley is winnable.
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Post by bazza on Aug 26, 2018 15:06:39 GMT
Last few weeks have been on the pitch or at saughall mate not heard anything about training at manchester.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Aug 26, 2018 15:24:23 GMT
Again, just wow. Any scouts at that game would have been rubbing their hands watching some of that defending. You'd do well to see a more tinpot goal conceded in the pub leagues today than our first goal. Hard working, solid and organised was what I expected from these managers. We're only one of those things, at best.
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Post by sarge123 on Aug 26, 2018 16:45:43 GMT
Rio fair play..... love and respect your enthusiasm... but that first goal..?....
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Post by dmcnally on Aug 26, 2018 21:21:42 GMT
Telford manager reckons in his post match interview we have some good players and we'll come good, and thinks we came up against the wrong team after a two week break.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Aug 26, 2018 21:38:58 GMT
Telford manager reckons in his post match interview we have some good players and we'll come good, and thinks we came up against the wrong team after a two week break. Fair enough, although I feel as though we'd have struggled against anybody defending like that. That first half is a poor reflection on the deadly duo.
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Post by waggoner on Aug 27, 2018 8:12:55 GMT
Community led club trying to attract younger fans, the reaction of our fans at the end and the abuse hurled at the management and staff was embarrassing, I will not bring my son to games for a good reason and that's sad for the future of our club. the 8-1 was a debacle, felt yesterday wasn't too bad, went to pot for 15 minutes and hit on the counter for the third. The new formation was better, Shaw came on looked decent, forwards are a problem, Dudley needs some help, the loss of Tuton and his energy upfront is clear to see, Marsh-Hughes needs time, no doubt he'll be a future starter for us. The football and effort under McCarthy was awful, the football, albeit calamitous at times, is better. The effort is definitely there, lack of quality but this will be something for Bern and Jonno to sort out. Have to give them time, getting on the players back, does it ever help. The National League North is miles ahead of when we walked it under Young, no Vauxhall, Colwyn Bay now, number of decent teams with big followings, I'd take winning more than we lose and see how we go from there. I'm really not sure what some on Devachat are about. This season was ALWAYS about rebuilding/consolidating and eventually moving forward. We at the moment are playing every game away from home which is not easy. The stadium damage did not help on the back of an 8-1 hammering. For all we know we might be a team that performs better at home than away. I'm willing to give the benefit of doubt until we have a run of home games. IF we are poor at home too then it's time to worry.
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Post by Captain Duff on Aug 27, 2018 10:22:20 GMT
That relegation comment is likely to inspire condemnation from DC's more emotional posters but it echoes what a few others who went have said to me this evening. As much as I want this investment to be used wisely, I'm pretty accepting of the fact that we're simply not very good. A boost to the playing budget I feel may be necessary sooner rather than later. Early days but would you trust more money with the managers? NO.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 27, 2018 10:23:35 GMT
Highlights on National League site
That first goal is a total shambles. Yes, two decent saves from Shenton, but the situation is of his making. He seems unfocused. He’s not helped by further faffing about in defence - playing it out from the back is all well and good but there’s a time and place and sometimes you need to just welly it into the stands. Not keen on having the keeper that far up the pitch anyway. Isn’t there a maxim in coaching that the man on the ball should always have someone behind him? Credit where it’s due, those were too very tidy finishes from Udoh. I sometimes think we’re too quick to dismiss young players as useless based on a couple of loan appearances in a poor side. Was ours even over the line? Probably a situation where everyone’s happier with a goal being given, as Telford don’t want a man sent off for a handball, and we don’t want a goal chalked off for the sake of a penalty we would likely have missed.
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Post by Charfield Blue on Aug 27, 2018 10:39:11 GMT
My biggest concern has how lightweight we look again this season. I'm sick of seeing Chester teams being muscled off the ball. We have no height in the centre of the park Stopforth, Burton, Roberts...all too similar in stature. Regardless of how you want to play the game it's inevitable down at this level that you are going to have to win your headers in the middle of the pitch to gain possession. I liked the look of Moran when he came on and he's a big & mobile lad. I wonder if he could be converted, Lightfoot like, to a centre midfield player? Perhaps playing in front of the back four. A lot will depend on his passing ability.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2018 10:40:17 GMT
Highlights on National League site
That first goal is a total shambles. Yes, two decent saves from Shenton, but the situation is of his making. He seems unfocused. He’s not helped by further faffing about in defence - playing it out from the back is all well and good but there’s a time and place and sometimes you need to just welly it into the stands. Not keen on having the keeper that far up the pitch anyway. Isn’t there a maxim in coaching that the man on the ball should always have someone behind him? Credit where it’s due, those were too very tidy finishes from Udoh. I sometimes think we’re too quick to dismiss young players as useless based on a couple of loan appearances in a poor side. Was ours even over the line? Probably a situation where everyone’s happier with a goal being given, as Telford don’t want a man sent off for a handball, and we don’t want a goal chalked off for the sake of a penalty we would likely have missed. Very slow to get back in but managed it. Not convinced of his shape. WTF was Burton doing trying to clear that?
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Post by Anders on Aug 27, 2018 10:46:02 GMT
Highlights on National League site
That first goal is a total shambles. Yes, two decent saves from Shenton, but the situation is of his making. He seems unfocused. He’s not helped by further faffing about in defence - playing it out from the back is all well and good but there’s a time and place and sometimes you need to just welly it into the stands. Not keen on having the keeper that far up the pitch anyway. Isn’t there a maxim in coaching that the man on the ball should always have someone behind him? Credit where it’s due, those were too very tidy finishes from Udoh. I sometimes think we’re too quick to dismiss young players as useless based on a couple of loan appearances in a poor side. Was ours even over the line? Probably a situation where everyone’s happier with a goal being given, as Telford don’t want a man sent off for a handball, and we don’t want a goal chalked off for the sake of a penalty we would likely have missed. Goals change games, Telford’s response after theirs was exactly the same as ours after our opener at Curzon Ashton. We’re not even giving ourselves a chance conceding goals like that. They’re not well worked, they just complete cock ups on our part. Our goal was well over the line btw.
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Post by Captain Duff on Aug 27, 2018 10:57:23 GMT
From the shambles of the last 18 months, it was always going to be a struggle to re-build the team and the club. It is not easy to build a team from scratch, unless you are a miricle worker. Like I said the team that starts the season, may not be the team, that ends it. Although, I would expect us to become more competitive as the season progresses. And it is not a reflection of the level of ambition, just a reflection of where we are at the moment. It looks like Bernard and Johnno's atempt to superimpose Salford City onto Chester F.C., may need a re-think. Before the season started I made a point that I was disappointed that we were almost exclusively signing ex-Salford and ex-Ramsbottom players and I got dog's abuse. It would appear that most of these ex-Salford players were not 1st team regulars, and it's no surprise that 40% of them are not up to the task. As btb says I cannot see the 2 managers seeing out the season, but I am not calling for them to be sacked. They need more time to try to turn it around, but cannot see them hanging around if they continue to get the kind of abuse that they got at Telford. Neil Young next season anyone? Youngy won't be back after the disgraceful way he was treated by certain board members last season when we had him for free. The fact that we could have had a Bignot/Young partnership for this season is the most galling thing here for me, I was one of the people (a minority I accept) who wanted to keep Bignot and who saw most of the issues last season as being financial ones completely out of his control. With Young's scouting ability we could have assembled a decent squad at this level. Instead we got the Salford and Ramsbottom reserves...
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Post by Jack on Aug 27, 2018 10:59:13 GMT
First goal is embarrassing, it's really hard to blame the managers for things like that. Shenton's initial error is careless, he makes up for it but I've no idea what Burton is doing trying to play out with an outside of the boot dink. Get rid of it!
Once we went 1-0 down, our confidence was shot and they took advantage. You just wonder what might have happened had we not let in the comedy goal - we shot ourselves in the foot completely.
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Post by Lobster on Aug 27, 2018 11:08:37 GMT
Before the season started I made a point that I was disappointed that we were almost exclusively signing ex-Salford and ex-Ramsbottom players and I got dog's abuse. It would appear that most of these ex-Salford players were not 1st team regulars, and it's no surprise that 40% of them are not up to the task. As btb says I cannot see the 2 managers seeing out the season, but I am not calling for them to be sacked. They need more time to try to turn it around, but cannot see them hanging around if they continue to get the kind of abuse that they got at Telford. Neil Young next season anyone? Youngy won't be back after the disgraceful way he was treated by certain board members last season when we had him for free. The fact that we could have had a Bignot/Young partnership for this season is the most galling thing here for me, I was one of the people (a minority I accept) who wanted to keep Bignot and who saw most of the issues last season as being financial ones completely out of his control. With Young's scouting ability we could have assembled a decent squad at this level. Instead we got the Salford and Ramsbottom reserves... I actually agree with a lot of that. The whole episode of falling out with two managers who have won the Conference North was pretty embarrassing. I do have faith in BM & AJ to get it right though - they’re not joke managers, they’ve had success throughout their managerial careers, both with and without money to spend.
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Post by noddy on Aug 27, 2018 11:35:23 GMT
My biggest concern has how lightweight we look again this season. I'm sick of seeing Chester teams being muscled off the ball. We have no height in the centre of the park Stopforth, Burton, Roberts...all too similar in stature. Regardless of how you want to play the game it's inevitable down at this level that you are going to have to win your headers in the middle of the pitch to gain possession. I liked the look of Moran when he came on and he's a big & mobile lad. I wonder if he could be converted, Lightfoot like, to a centre midfield player? Perhaps playing in front of the back four. A lot will depend on his passing ability. Did mention this at the start of the season was concerned that signing 3 very similar in size and style central midfielders was surprising and totally agree again that we have a Chester team yet again lacking in size and pace, that for me is the most galling aspect of the recruitment. Yes I expect we will get better in time, I certainly don't expect a season of struggle but recruitment of players yet again for me is suspect at best. When have we actually had a Chester side with genuine pace in it? I can't remember one, yet almost every team we come up against has at least a couple of players in midfield or out wide who give us the run around.
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Post by tarvinblue on Aug 27, 2018 11:54:07 GMT
My biggest concern has how lightweight we look again this season. I'm sick of seeing Chester teams being muscled off the ball. We have no height in the centre of the park Stopforth, Burton, Roberts...all too similar in stature. Regardless of how you want to play the game it's inevitable down at this level that you are going to have to win your headers in the middle of the pitch to gain possession. I liked the look of Moran when he came on and he's a big & mobile lad. I wonder if he could be converted, Lightfoot like, to a centre midfield player? Perhaps playing in front of the back four. A lot will depend on his passing ability. Did mention this at the start of the season was concerned that signing 3 very similar in size and style central midfielders was surprising and totally agree again that we have a Chester team yet again lacking in size and pace, that for me is the most galling aspect of the recruitment. Yes I expect we will get better in time, I certainly don't expect a season of struggle but recruitment of players yet again for me is suspect at best. When have we actually had a Chester side with genuine pace in it? I can't remember one, yet almost every team we come up against has at least a couple of players in midfield or out wide who give us the run around. It is like they sent out a WhatsApp message to a group of former players and then signed up who was available. Just like McCarthy's recruitment last summer there appears to be no thought for what is required as a whole. No height, pace or power - just lots of similar players with the one commonality that most have played for these two before. Very frustrating.
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Post by terry63 on Aug 27, 2018 12:50:58 GMT
Well it's going to be a very long season! Four games in and the fans on their case. Yes we are all disappointed to say the least but if we're going to start ganging up on managers & slagging off players by suggesting they're not good enough, other clubs cast offs, reserve players etc Then we might as well throw the towel in. We've got a small budget & we're a part time club. I get the impression over the last couple of years that players didn't look like they wanted to play for us and with all this booing, and slagging off players, I can only presume the current crop won't want to either if it continues,then what ? Yes there's a connection between the management and players as in most if not all have played for them at some point! 3 are from last seasons Salford winning side,I think two had picked up injuries and Dudley played in about 40 games scoring some important goals so I don't think they were reserve players. I also thought 2 or 3 came from Ashton's winning team but I could be wrong. Yes we argue that we've paid our money so we feel we are entitled to boo and become abusive buit Is it going help ? is it going to improve player and fans moral I know if it were me, I'd say f-ck this and then what Another disastrous season. Whether we like it or not, these are our players for the season so we either support them or let rot in. Hopefully we can bring in 2 or 3 additions maybe loan signing how many can we have in a match day squad 5 ??
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Post by eltonblues on Aug 27, 2018 16:45:11 GMT
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That first goal is a total shambles. Yes, two decent saves from Shenton, but the situation is of his making. He seems unfocused. He’s not helped by further faffing about in defence - playing it out from the back is all well and good but there’s a time and place and sometimes you need to just welly it into the stands. Not keen on having the keeper that far up the pitch anyway. Isn’t there a maxim in coaching that the man on the ball should always have someone behind him? Credit where it’s due, those were too very tidy finishes from Udoh. I sometimes think we’re too quick to dismiss young players as useless based on a couple of loan appearances in a poor side. Was ours even over the line? Probably a situation where everyone’s happier with a goal being given, as Telford don’t want a man sent off for a handball, and we don’t want a goal chalked off for the sake of a penalty we would likely have missed. Very slow to get back in but managed it. Not convinced of his shape. WTF was Burton doing trying to clear that? Unable to use his left foot by the look of that. Poor that.
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Post by Hannibal on Aug 27, 2018 18:57:03 GMT
Very slow to get back in but managed it. Not convinced of his shape. WTF was Burton doing trying to clear that? Unable to use his left foot by the look of that. Poor that. [b Didn't realise that that gaffe was Burton until I watched Rio's highlights. I said in a previous post the only place for that was Row Z, not straight to an attacking player. I thought he was supposed to be a top player. Needs to do better than that.
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