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Post by Forever Blue on Oct 14, 2017 22:48:01 GMT
The rest of us have to do overtime and extra hours to get our jobs done. But would you do it for nothing? I wouldn't call the wages they get nothing and if I performed like that I would be sacked so for me they are getting off lightly. |
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Post by trev on Oct 14, 2017 22:54:13 GMT
Not so much game related but 99% of this forum were praising Maccas summer business to high heaven and seem to have retreated now having seen the hindsight. Too many "big names" have come in and not performed, too many injuries and what appears to be lack of fitness have plagued us. If you forget for what we've seen so far and take the strongest starting 11, most of the new additions finished mid-top half last season. So it is that they aren't good enough, or is it still recovery from Super JM? On paper the summer business looked good . But in reality, despite the positive spin, McCarthy had persuaded the Club to sign another bunch of substandard journeymen, some doubtless on past reputation, which was all too evident from the lack of application and suspect commitment shown by so-called experienced professionals on the pitch today. The aimless balls, the inability to take responsibility, the plodding and shuffling about, and the space and time given to their players was shocking. The scenes after fulltime with the huddle at the away end were bizarre, and the incessant abuse from the fans was fully deserved. Some players actually looked surprised. Perhaps they have been on Mr McCarthy’s Easy street for far too long. As regards Bigot, I fear at the moment it won’t really make that much difference whatever tactical changes or minor changes in selections he makes right now. The problems are much greater than that, and require a major overhaul of the squad and getting rid of most, if not all, of McCarthy’s signings. This shambles was totally predictable and to certain extent self inflicted , due to the board not willing to take tough decisions at the right time despite all the evidence starring them in the face . If only McCarthy had been was sacked after Borehamwood in April..... If only. |
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Post by whopper1 on Oct 14, 2017 22:54:58 GMT
This kid from Derby is a strange loan signing, spent all last season injured, 2 loan games at stevenage the rest youth and u23 at Derby, we need a big useless yard dog on loan like Wright (Cheltenham ) or parkin (York ) a player that's been around and knows where the net is
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Post by thetheremin on Oct 14, 2017 22:55:54 GMT
The rest of us have to do overtime and extra hours to get our jobs done. But would you do it for nothing? Yeah, I do in my job |
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Oct 14, 2017 22:56:45 GMT
You really had to be there to see it! Unfortunately, I was! One of the worst performances from a "professional" team that I can recall! When our fans, me included, enthusiastically applaud their No.10 as MoM, then you know you've been outplayed by a far better team (he was terrific but to a great extent we made it easy for him) If MB was under any illusions as to the shortcomings of this sorry rabble, then he isn't now. I think from his interview that his patience has snapped, he's given them their chance, the whip is about to be cracked big style. I HOPE IT IS! The booing, chants of disgust and open criticism of certain players is absolutely and totally justified and this comes from a guy who always tries to give people the benefit of the doubt. To a club like ours, the FA Cup represents (represented) a real chance to generate revenue and enhance the reputation of the club. To capitulate in such a feeble way is bound to incur the wrath of the fans who let's face it spend good money and potential sore throats to support the team all over the country. No doubt, in the next few days we'll get the usual feeble excuses from the players e.g " the players are gutted", "we feel for the fans", "we're working hard to put things right" etc etc etc. Sorry, but this is wearing very thin. However it's come about, and everyone has an opinion, there's no getting away from the fact that this is a very poor team that needs immediate and severe surgery to arrest what looks like inevitable relegation something I've, and many others, have been predicting for some time. Of course, this is not going to be straightforward, but, in the same way we slept-walked into the JM situation, we could do the same now unless we get our act together as a club. Some very hard and major decisions are going to be have to be made in the very near future to rid ourselves of the canker of the JM era and give a proper manager i.e MB a realistic opportunity to get this club onto a proper footballing footing. It's now mid-October, there's no FA Cup to look forward to. The FA Trophy is still an opportunity but after today I wouldn't hold my breath. That leaves a relegation battle until April - Yippee - what this will do to attendances etc is mind-boggling Let's cut the crap, this club is hurtling into a real crisis unless action is taken. If you look at my posts I can’t disagree in fact you put your points across very well. It’s difficult to argue otherwise. Today was horrible in terms of what we currently have, how far away we are from what’s required and the awful justified abuse at the end and prior to it. |
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Post by Forever Blue on Oct 14, 2017 23:19:04 GMT
You really had to be there to see it! Unfortunately, I was! One of the worst performances from a "professional" team that I can recall! When our fans, me included, enthusiastically applaud their No.10 as MoM, then you know you've been outplayed by a far better team (he was terrific but to a great extent we made it easy for him) If MB was under any illusions as to the shortcomings of this sorry rabble, then he isn't now. I think from his interview that his patience has snapped, he's given them their chance, the whip is about to be cracked big style. I HOPE IT IS! The booing, chants of disgust and open criticism of certain players is absolutely and totally justified and this comes from a guy who always tries to give people the benefit of the doubt. To a club like ours, the FA Cup represents (represented) a real chance to generate revenue and enhance the reputation of the club. To capitulate in such a feeble way is bound to incur the wrath of the fans who let's face it spend good money and potential sore throats to support the team all over the country. No doubt, in the next few days we'll get the usual feeble excuses from the players e.g " the players are gutted", "we feel for the fans", "we're working hard to put things right" etc etc etc. Sorry, but this is wearing very thin. However it's come about, and everyone has an opinion, there's no getting away from the fact that this is a very poor team that needs immediate and severe surgery to arrest what looks like inevitable relegation something I've, and many others, have been predicting for some time. Of course, this is not going to be straightforward, but, in the same way we slept-walked into the JM situation, we could do the same now unless we get our act together as a club. Some very hard and major decisions are going to be have to be made in the very near future to rid ourselves of the canker of the JM era and give a proper manager i.e MB a realistic opportunity to get this club onto a proper footballing footing. It's now mid-October, there's no FA Cup to look forward to. The FA Trophy is still an opportunity but after today I wouldn't hold my breath. That leaves a relegation battle until April - Yippee - what this will do to attendances etc is mind-boggling Let's cut the crap, this club is hurtling into a real crisis unless action is taken. If you look at my posts I can’t disagree in fact you put your points across very well. It’s difficult to argue otherwise. Today was horrible in terms of what we currently have, how far away we are from what’s required and the awful justified abuse at the end and prior to it. Well said that man and you are spot on, I did see one comment on the forum that suggested we need to rebuild from the national league north, well I will say this if that happens then it will be years before we get out of it and today has confirmed that. We are in a real mess and the CEO and Board need to take some responsibility because they allowed JM to spend the budget and carry on, they also need to step up and see what they can do to help MB turn this around. |
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Post by Poe1974 on Oct 14, 2017 23:27:08 GMT
If you look at my posts I can’t disagree in fact you put your points across very well. It’s difficult to argue otherwise. Today was horrible in terms of what we currently have, how far away we are from what’s required and the awful justified abuse at the end and prior to it. Well said that man and you are spot on, I did see one comment on the forum that suggested we need to rebuild from the national league north, well I will say this if that happens then it will be years before we get out of it and today has confirmed that. We are in a real mess and the CEO and Board need to take some responsibility because they allowed JM to spend the budget and carry on, they also need to step up and see what they can do to help MB turn this around. Absolutely Agree totally with all this. The board need to step up and dip into that war chest as we're now in a major battle for survival. |
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Post by southernblue on Oct 14, 2017 23:59:18 GMT
Our players do not have the skill, the grit or the pace required. Utterly spineless, it is a team much lesser than the sum of its parts, and that's saying something.
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Post by imadeva on Oct 15, 2017 0:08:15 GMT
But would you do it for nothing? I wouldn't call the wages they get nothing and if I performed like that I would be sacked so for me they are getting off lightly. I’m on about overtime I wouldn’t do it for nothing and I guessing neither you you |
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Post by Forever Blue on Oct 15, 2017 0:10:55 GMT
I often work over my hours to make sure notes ect are up to date without pay and I doubt players put in half the hours I do.
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Post by imadeva on Oct 15, 2017 0:11:27 GMT
But would you do it for nothing? Yeah, I do in my job Well if it’s in your contract that’s fair enough . |
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Post by noddy on Oct 15, 2017 0:12:52 GMT
I wasn't there today but I get the impression that signings see us as a soft touch and "easy money". Being fans owned and not in a position financially for Marcus to strengthen the squad or wheel and deal without a cup run players don't have the hunger or dedication to perform week in or week out, even if it's subconsciously.Along with limited expectations from ex management it's obvious that mentality has spread to the players, no respect for the shirt etc. It's just a "job" to them. And most of the above applies to the England football team when it comes to European Championships or World Cups.
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Post by Anders on Oct 15, 2017 0:28:43 GMT
I thought that was our worst performance since reformation, personally. There wasn’t anything to take from it as a positive, we were really just given a complete run-around from a mid-table team in the league below. It was quite embarrassing to be honest, can’t actually recall a shot on target.
Watching us is like watching a crab crawling along the beach, we’re not very strong, mobile or quick and there’s very little movement to aid creating anything particularly meaningful. We don’t look anywhere fit enough either, any loose ball is usually picked up by the opposition before us and even when we do get hold of the ball we either hoof it or give it away.
Words fail me with Andy Halls, he really is awful. He doesn’t look as he gives a flying fook about us, just comes in picks up his wage and probably has a little chuckle as he does so. I tweeted during the game that he might as well be replaced by one of Chris Piercy’s cones, surely would have fared better. Paul Turnbull annoyed me today as well, jogged around letting the game pass him by, Dawson next to him had a poor game but at least took some responsibility and was undoubtedly our ‘busiest’ player on the pitch. Turnbull is 28 and Dawson is 23, wouldn’t have thought that really judging on today.
Bignot isn’t blameless in all this, I like the bloke but dropping Shaw was an absolute clanger, we really missed his energy getting in players faces pressing and getting stuck in. There’s too many of these players going through the motions and don’t look as if they care enough. I can pick out players like Lynch, Astles, Dawson & Shaw who look as if they really care about us (know it, in certain cases) but some others just don’t look as if they do at all.
It was a bit weird after the final whistle, 522 fans made the trip and probably 150-200 of us stayed hanging around for 10 minutes after the final whistle, almost expecting something but not sure what. Bignot, as he does after every game, brought the players in a huddle not far away from us whilst various angry chants were being bellowed out.
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Post by prodigal on Oct 15, 2017 0:39:13 GMT
I thought that was our worst performance since reformation, personally. There wasn’t anything to take from it as a positive, we were really just given a complete run-around from a mid-table team in the league below. It was quite embarrassing to be honest, can’t actually recall a shot on target. Watching us is like watching a crab crawling along the beach, we’re not very strong, mobile or quick and there’s very little movement to aid creating anything particularly meaningful. We don’t look anywhere fit enough either, any loose ball is usually picked up by the opposition before us and even when we do get hold of the ball we either hoof it or give it away. Words fail me with Andy Halls, he really is awful. He doesn’t look as he gives a flying fook about us, just comes in picks up his wage and probably has a little chuckle as he does so. I tweeted during the game that he might as well be replaced by one of Chris Piercy’s cones, surely would have fared better. Paul Turnbull annoyed me today as well, jogged around letting the game pass him by, Dawson next to him had a poor game but at least took some responsibility and was undoubtedly our ‘busiest’ player on the pitch. Turnbull is 28 and Dawson is 23, wouldn’t have thought that really judging on today. Bignot isn’t blameless in all this, I like the bloke but dropping Shaw was an absolute clanger, we really missed his energy getting in players faces pressing and getting stuck in. There’s too many of these players going through the motions and don’t look as if they care enough. I can pick out players like Lynch, Astles, Dawson & Shaw who look as if they really care about us (know it, in certain cases) but some others just don’t look as if they do at all. It was a bit weird after the final whistle, 522 fans made the trip and probably 150-200 of us stayed hanging around for 10 minutes after the final whistle, almost expecting something but not sure what. Bignot, as he does after every game, brought the players in a huddle not far away from us whilst various angry chants were being bellowed out. |
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Post by prodigal on Oct 15, 2017 1:30:48 GMT
Another good summary above, agree with all of that, together with most of the other posts from my fellow members in the '522 dogs--t club'.
If a line does get drawn through the squad and we manage to lose some ' wage thieves', contrary to some other posters, I would give Matty Waters the benefit of the doubt though.
Waters had a bit mare today, but so did many others, and the lad hasn't really been given many minutes in all honesty, at least when he lost the ball, or failed to win it, he at least looked bothered and tried his best. Watched him quite a bit in the youth team, and still think he has bags of potential, just don't think he is suited to defensive mid, as lacks the physicality at this level , playing further forward, he can be a threat and has a good eye for goal, as can be seen from the amount of goals he scored from defence for the youth team. Also think at some point we should give Nathan Brown a chance for similar reasons, lightweight, but a lethal finisher.
I know it is hard for young, smaller players in this league, and you can't build a team around them, but at least we should be developing those with talent, not just dropping them in the deep end, now and then.
Will be interesting to see what happens with the 'full time' situation, would have thought players will be contracted on a 'full time' basis, for a certain number of weeks, and will be contracted to attend matches and training ' as required' up to a realistic number of hours in accordance with PFA guidelines. Wouldn't imagine players sign contracts which tell them which days they need to train etc as match days vary for a start, so if the boss says you need to come in every weekday for a few hours, when you only have a home game on a Saturday, then I imagine that's what you might have to do. I know in the 'real ' world an employer can change your hours if they give you a certain amount of notice, but as I said it will be 'interesting', to see if any transfer requests are put in.
Most worrying thing for me yesterday, was that we were so tactically naive! I know the players were in the main, either half-arsed, talent less, or both, but the way we set up and thought we could play was down to the manager and the performance was even worse than Solihull, so yeah worrying!
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Post by Wortleyblue on Oct 15, 2017 2:00:48 GMT
Well if it’s in your contract that’s fair enough . During my working life my contracts were often changed to my detriment ie pensions overtime rates reduced etc to suit the business needs and if I underperformed or did not put in a decent shift I would be in danger of losing my job. I haven't seen a game yet I have that delight at Maidstone but seeing how the results are going and reading depressing reports these players need to respond and if that means extra hours to make sure the business survives then so be it. Or if you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen |
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Post by Charfield Blue on Oct 15, 2017 6:56:00 GMT
Another thought on yesterday. I find it grossly unfair that those who travelled to Eastleigh and didn't have their day out ruined by having to watch us play will be able to receive compensation, whilst those of us who went to Kidderminster and had to endure that "performance" will receive nothing. How's that right?
Angry of Charfield.
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Post by billyw on Oct 15, 2017 7:09:16 GMT
Perhaps someone needs to explain to Marcus about Constructive Dismissal. You can't make a player train 5 days a week when he is contracted to 3 days, without there being consequences. Depend on whether or not the 3 days part is actually written into the contract. That's why I said 'contracted' |
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Post by billyw on Oct 15, 2017 7:26:09 GMT
Not so much game related but 99% of this forum were praising Maccas summer business to high heaven and seem to have retreated now having seen the hindsight. Too many "big names" have come in and not performed, too many injuries and what appears to be lack of fitness have plagued us. If you forget for what we've seen so far and take the strongest starting 11, most of the new additions finished mid-top half last season. So it is that they aren't good enough, or is it still recovery from Super JM? I agree 100% with all that. Apart from a couple of injury doubts, I was excited by our signings in the summer and on paper, this team should be capable of a mid table finish. So, apart from not playing on paper, why aren't they performing - is it a lack of fitness? |
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Post by Harry Lime on Oct 15, 2017 7:35:40 GMT
There has been something about this squad that didn't seem right, even in preseason. There were games where the squad players or youth team players looked better than the first team. The players looked demoralised in August! How does that happen.
It looks as if our recruitment is a bit like Everton's. A load of similar type players, with little pace or energy.
The change to a full-time squad changes the profile of player that you sign. You're more likely to sign younger players, especially as our wages will be less than other clubs in the area. That makes it tough to bring in those with quality unless your scouting is good.
Having the part-time player means more older players dropping out of full-time towards the end of their career. The change from one to the other mid season maybe really painful.
I believe as a club we should decide on whether we are full time or part time, not whichever manager is there at the time.
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Post by btb on Oct 15, 2017 8:29:18 GMT
And just to add, Staylbridge Celtic were full time last time we played them and we battered them.
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Post by steveo1 on Oct 15, 2017 8:56:37 GMT
You really had to be there to see it! Unfortunately, I was! One of the worst performances from a "professional" team that I can recall! When our fans, me included, enthusiastically applaud their No.10 as MoM, then you know you've been outplayed by a far better team (he was terrific but to a great extent we made it easy for him) If MB was under any illusions as to the shortcomings of this sorry rabble, then he isn't now. I think from his interview that his patience has snapped, he's given them their chance, the whip is about to be cracked big style. I HOPE IT IS! The booing, chants of disgust and open criticism of certain players is absolutely and totally justified and this comes from a guy who always tries to give people the benefit of the doubt. To a club like ours, the FA Cup represents (represented) a real chance to generate revenue and enhance the reputation of the club. To capitulate in such a feeble way is bound to incur the wrath of the fans who let's face it spend good money and potential sore throats to support the team all over the country. No doubt, in the next few days we'll get the usual feeble excuses from the players e.g " the players are gutted", "we feel for the fans", "we're working hard to put things right" etc etc etc. Sorry, but this is wearing very thin. However it's come about, and everyone has an opinion, there's no getting away from the fact that this is a very poor team that needs immediate and severe surgery to arrest what looks like inevitable relegation something I've, and many others, have been predicting for some time. Of course, this is not going to be straightforward, but, in the same way we slept-walked into the JM situation, we could do the same now unless we get our act together as a club. Some very hard and major decisions are going to be have to be made in the very near future to rid ourselves of the canker of the JM era and give a proper manager i.e MB a realistic opportunity to get this club onto a proper footballing footing. It's now mid-October, there's no FA Cup to look forward to. The FA Trophy is still an opportunity but after today I wouldn't hold my breath. That leaves a relegation battle until April - Yippee - what this will do to attendances etc is mind-boggling Let's cut the crap, this club is hurtling into a real crisis unless action is taken. What a post, absolutely bob on. You should send that into Mario Maguire and see what he has to say in reply. This has been coming for the last arguably two years since we got dumped out the cup at Alty, the hangover of Burr, then keeping the Burr/McCarthy link going as we picked McCarthy as the new manager, once again remained too loyal. Then finally giving him a 2 year deal and only getting rid of him a few weeks ago. The board have a lot to answer for and I feel that they come across like they are blameless. It's like we have been on the piss every weekend for the last couple of years and we are finally waking up and doing something about it. Bignot has come in and wants changes, we have slept walked into a massive crisis and unfortunately you can't just change manager and it works. Halifax and York had better teams than us recently and both went down. It's bad news how bad yesterday was and how a cup run could have brought us a feel good factor, money and more importantly to get fans onboard. We may have to go down to regroup and go again at the moment, I don't feel the players are strong enough, fit enough or good enough. McCarthy didn't have a clue player recruitment wise, he just brought the few players he knew like Hannah, James and Bell, kept every single he possibly could as it was more hassle finding new ones as he didn't have the contacts. Then it appears we have signed Hannah's mates in Turnbull, Halls, etc. Budget gone and an unbalanced squad. We are months behind fitness wise, when I see Tom Shaw who had no pre season running around more than most it says it all. The only lads that seem to care and given it a go so far this season are Lynch, Astles, Shaw, Dawson and Akintunde. The rest are either not good enough, shithouses or sick notes. We have brought in Bignot and it will take time to get rid of the McCarthy regime, it's deep rooted. We got to remain calm and patient, if that means going down then so be it as this league is becoming harder to stay in year on year |
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Post by tarvinblue on Oct 15, 2017 9:04:42 GMT
It's the attitudes that makes me so angry. The attitude and disdain the board has shown towards the fans over the last 9 months or more, the contempt JM showed for the supporters game after game and the disgraceful lack of effort and commitment shown by this bunch of impostors that claim to be footballers. Wrap that up with Mark Maguire and his impersonation as someone who is in control of affairs off the field and you wonder why so many fans are angry/staying away. It makes my blood boil.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2017 9:07:23 GMT
I'm off clay pigeon shooting in a couple of minutes
Thinking of asking for a picture of our so-called team to be stuck to the clays.
My aim will certainly improve!
Still fuming after yesterday
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Post by g1 on Oct 15, 2017 10:39:05 GMT
Let's be fair we are awful and if people think we are gonna stay up then they are thicker than the pizza hut pizzas
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Oct 15, 2017 10:58:55 GMT
On the basis of the performance yesterday we need 5/6 new faces/better players or we most certainly will go down.
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Post by sqzl on Oct 15, 2017 11:06:09 GMT
Let's be fair we are awful and if people think we are gonna stay up then they are thicker than the pizza hut pizzas Pan or Italian? 😂 |
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Post by g1 on Oct 15, 2017 12:51:16 GMT
Says it all yesterday when halls got booed for being booked
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Post by g1 on Oct 15, 2017 12:52:41 GMT
This kid from Derby is a strange loan signing, spent all last season injured, 2 loan games at stevenage the rest youth and u23 at Derby, we need a big useless yard dog on loan like Wright (Cheltenham ) or parkin (York ) a player that's been around and knows where the net is we do need that yard dog |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 15, 2017 17:06:28 GMT
I would give Matty Waters the benefit of the doubt though. Waters had a bit mare today, but so did many others, and the lad hasn't really been given many minutes in all honesty, at least when he lost the ball, or failed to win it, he at least looked bothered and tried his best. Watched him quite a bit in the youth team, and still think he has bags of potential, just don't think he is suited to defensive mid, as lacks the physicality at this level , playing further forward, he can be a threat and has a good eye for goal, as can be seen from the amount of goals he scored from defence for the youth team. Yeah, however bad Waters might've been I think some need to cut him some slack. Only a young lad, and he doesn't exactly have too many to look up to in this squad. I remember Heneghan had some very poor games when he first arrived so let's be patient with him. |
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