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Post by noddy on Oct 21, 2017 18:38:26 GMT
Says something when the highlights of today were the late appearance of Rio . . . to a quick chant, lol; and that big black bird diving around between the Harry Mac and the main stand . . . crow or jackdaw? It was a Carrion Crow and a couple of immature Herring Gulls. Thanks for clearing that one up for me Richard.
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Post by northwichsteve on Oct 21, 2017 18:55:25 GMT
Surely the biggest problem that requires addressing is the pathetic static midfield. No pace, can't pass, can't tackle, don't cross the halfway line to support forwards, don't give the defence any cover and get out played every week. Needs some pace and height in there with a lot more backbone which we also lack at the moment. Forwards can't be criticised as they get absolutely no decent passes and are just chasing 80 yard hoofs up the field from Astle and McCombe
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Post by archwhopper on Oct 21, 2017 19:03:01 GMT
It was a Carrion Crow and a couple of immature Herring Gulls. Thanks for clearing that one up for me Richard. whatever species they were, they were more entertaining than the 11 bluetits on the pitch, there more like magpies, nasty pilthering bastards, robbing the heart and soul out the club to feather there own nests
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Post by northwichsteve on Oct 21, 2017 19:03:14 GMT
As the game went on I commented that our midfield should be re-named - Clueless , Hopeless ,Aimless and Pointless - with those four they are neither use to defence or attack - as long as we don't sign Witless, Heartless, Brainless and Talentless on Loan to replace them
No width, no pace - it was like watching West Ham playing against Brighton last night - they were doomed as soon as they went behind - so were we. No fight no plan B - no Plan A it seems either.
Will be there again Tuesday as it is what we do- Going down we may be but at least fight , Boreham Wood were poor really but we made them look Good - two clear chances we gave them and game over.
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Post by tonya on Oct 21, 2017 19:18:37 GMT
Watching this team is like watching old men playing walking football, except the old timers are quicker. Why do we never show movement off the ball and always look so slow, unfit and cumbersome compared to other teams. Perhaps because we have no confidence and play with fear of making mistakes.
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Post by Jack on Oct 21, 2017 19:28:03 GMT
Really strange game. Neither team really created a clear-cut chance in the 90 minutes but somehow we managed concede 2. Absolutely typical of this squad to collapse in the feeble manner we did, 2 completely avoidable goals.
Today was almost McCarthy-esque and that's a damning criticism. LRT was slated today, but every time he got the ball and looked up there was not one blue shirt in space. He was poor, don't get me wrong, but the tactics were bizarre to say the least.
Against Maidenhead, we kept things relatively simple and it worked. Full backs whipped balls down the channel and Akintunde ran his nuts off, that left Hannah 'in the hole' and it caused problems. Today, there was none of that. We just gave the ball back to them and played in front of them.
I liked the new right back and Zanzala is definitely an improvement on what we have. Barrow is must win, but we need the crowd to get behind the players. We're all frustrated, but some of the abuse was ridiculous today. Grown men screaming at footballers as they come back onto the pitch for the second half. Their confidence is shot, we need to get behind them.
We need to crawl to safety by hook or crook and then seriously re-boot this club from top to the bottom. Low CFU numbers, completely dead match-day experience, journeyman players on a last pay-day, gates 600 down on break-even figures and a completely stagnant approach to tempting new supporters. We've moved away from our ideals and have become a faceless, non-entity of a football club.
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Post by trev on Oct 21, 2017 19:29:39 GMT
Watching this team is like watching old men playing walking football, except the old timers are quicker. Why do we never show movement off the ball and always look so slow, unfit and cumbersome compared to other teams. Perhaps because we have no confidence and play with fear of making mistakes.
Perhaps also because the experienced "professionals" recruited/signed over the summer have questionable commitment, poor attitude, lack of fitness and are has beens .
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Post by imadeva on Oct 21, 2017 19:33:14 GMT
You can add Hannah, McCombs, Halls and James to that. Hoping for a new centre midfielder and left back for Tuesday. Actually thought Chapell was the best of a very bad bunch first half . . . to be taken off for an anonymous Hannah. I also thought chapell was our best player which I know isn’t saying much,but was the only one getting the ball down and wanted to play,most of the others just wanted to kick it into touch it’s football not rugby.Ithought the new right back deserved his man of match award.
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Post by tarvinblue on Oct 21, 2017 19:36:26 GMT
Chappell on a couple of occasions did try and run at them, but eventually took to turning back on himself and playing the ball backwards. That seemed to be the last straw for Bignot from what I saw of his reaction.
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Post by trev on Oct 21, 2017 19:42:20 GMT
Actually thought Chapell was the best of a very bad bunch first half . . . to be taken off for an anonymous Hannah. I also thought chapell was our best player which I know isn’t saying much,but was the only one getting the ball down and wanted to play,most of the others just wanted to kick it into touch it’s football not rugby.Ithought the new right back deserved his man of match award.
Chappell was pretty ineffective, weak and easily knocked off the ball, showing most of the reasons why he should never have been retained in the summer . He was rightly substituted at Half time .
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 19:45:08 GMT
The only thing worth mentioning this afternoon was the sight of runaway Riot rocking up to his vantage point midway through the first half. Don't forget the 2 seagulls and crow. That was my highlight. They were the new wing..ers
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2017 19:47:03 GMT
The movement in midfield was non existent. James and Dawson were abysmal, Shaw marginally better. Means Astles continually has to go long. Which doesnt work.
Astles looks very unfit, weight wise and leg wise, like he is carrying an injury. The weight wont help the injury either.
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Post by btb on Oct 21, 2017 19:58:46 GMT
The movement in midfield was non existent. James and Dawson were abysmal, Shaw marginally better. Means Astles continually has to go long. Which doesnt work. Astles looks very unfit, weight wise and leg wise, like he is carrying an injury. The weight wont help the injury either. Agreed with this. What is going on with Kingsley James? He doesn't look arsed and looks a shell of his previous self. Dawson, whilst his willingness to get on the ball should be applauded, he has to be one of the weakest central midfielders in the division. And shaw was sub standard. I'd go as far to say he looks like a man who knows the game is up and he's on his way. And Turnbull is a disgrace. He's hiding in games.
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Post by sqzl on Oct 21, 2017 20:16:33 GMT
They'll be loan players so no money needed presumably. I can bet it'll be a centre back and a wide man. We still have to pay expenses though don't we? Petrol and accommodation? I guess so, but it all comes down to where these lads are from. If some of them can lift share it won't cost us much. Mainly overnight stays but if these additions can keep us in the league then it's money well spent I guess. After today it's glaringly obvious we have individuals who don't care enough, and aren't good enough.
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Post by devadiva on Oct 21, 2017 20:24:48 GMT
Agree with all these posts but one thing that no-one ever seems to mention is how poor we are at throw ins.
I’d be a rich man if I had a £1 for every time we end up hurling it up the line to someone who is marked by two opposition players because none of our players show any willingness to lose their marker or stand within a realistic distance from the thrower. You’d have to be Geoff Capes to throw it to one of our players at times.
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Post by steveo1 on Oct 21, 2017 20:32:42 GMT
Astles is getting bigger and bigger, it's embarrassing, him and mccombe are so slow it's incredible. I don't rate Rowe-Turner and he had a shocker today, kicking the ball out for a corner that led to there goal was inexcuseable. We played an average team today but lost comfortably, Lynch still had to make a number of saves and they cut through our defence so easily.
When the summer transfers led to only having 4 defenders this was always on the cards, now we are having to bring in 3-5 players to try and get some kind of team together to stay up as the recruitment through out the summer of a dual wasn't good enough.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Oct 21, 2017 21:03:54 GMT
Chappell on a couple of occasions did try and run at them, but eventually took to turning back on himself and playing the ball backwards. That seemed to be the last straw for Bignot from what I saw of his reaction. Did ok second half last week, wouldn’t criticise him too much from his header chance. He has pace and runs at players. Only one that did.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Oct 21, 2017 21:23:32 GMT
Bignot could bring 2 new signings in before the Barrow game What’s that going to do we have overhalf the side who are way short of what’s required at conference level. It’s time those responsible said something by the way of an apology. I mentioned at Kidderminster to a fellow supporter that our predicament is down to the board the ignorant and failure to act in the best interests of the club last April. The look I got suggeted I need placing in a funny farm. Perhaps it’s tome to give up on us?
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Post by Anders on Oct 22, 2017 0:13:50 GMT
Thought that was just a pretty generic poor display, we’re well accustomed to them by now, nothing new. We actually started alright despite the stop start nature to the game but we fell apart after conceding, the rest of the first half was pretty turgid. Lathaniel Rowe-Turner conceding the corner which led to Boreham’s opener was one of the stupidest things I’ve seen executed on a football pitch. Right out on the wing about 40 yards from the touchline he was just about to be closed down when he hoofed it back with his right foot (presumably meant for Lynch) when it went straight out for a corner instead. That’s a new mental scar to add to the collection following this club, I just know that I’m forever going to struggle to forget it. We improved a bit after the break with a diamond in midfield switched from a 4-3-3 system, but improving just ‘a bit’ summed the whole day up.
Chapell was unceremoniously dumped at half time, thought it was a bit harsh myself, he has obvious limitations but he was the one player trying to get the ball down and play. Overall though it’s a bit silly how he’s in his third year here, I actually think he has the technical ability above this level but it’s far outweighed by just how unbelievably powderpuff he is. Kingsley James also seemed to have a right sulk on, he was possibly our best and most consistent performer during August and September but he just looks as if he’s spat the dummy out, Tom Shaw gave him a right tongue lashing for it at one point in the second half. The new lad Reece Hall-Johnson looked alright, nothing spectacular but certainly an improvement on you know who, usually occupying that position. Not a hope in hell of that midfield creating anything, stood still all game. Harry White did nothing either, just ran around a bit, Zanzala at the very least beat a few men.
Don’t blame Bignot for trying a different system, he has to really. It worked fairly well against Ebbsfleet a few weeks ago, we actually have the personnel for it with plenty of central midfielders and forwards. What I like about Bignot is that he takes no time in identifying the problems, not like McCarthy getting all defensive burying his head in the sand. He has to work by hook or by crook to get out of this.
Just got to hope Bignot can wave some sort of magic wand, Boreham Wood were absolutely awful but we’re even worse!
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Post by g1 on Oct 22, 2017 7:24:52 GMT
This is worst team to wear chester shirts chappell wage stealer ltr makes Jason Burnham look like Roberto Carlos Dawson poor Hannah finished white the next rapley the only decent player was the rb sort it now
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Post by kyle on Oct 22, 2017 7:43:24 GMT
Ok we are a poor side with a LOT of poor players. But the teams we are playing aren't great, so we don't need to turn into Barcelona to move up the league.
Boringwood had nothing yesterday. They won by being more professional and not making stupid mistakes. They are 9th, that's the standard we need to beat
If we win on Tuesday we are out of the relegation zone, so it's not like we are already doomed. I know we are bad but reading some of these comments you'd think we are 15 points from safety
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Oct 22, 2017 8:30:17 GMT
Ok we are a poor side with a LOT of poor players. But the teams we are playing aren't great, so we don't need to turn into Barcelona to move up the league. Boringwood had nothing yesterday. They won by being more professional and not making stupid mistakes. They are 9th, that's the standard we need to beat If we win on Tuesday we are out of the relegation zone, so it's not like we are already doomed. I know we are bad but reading some of these comments you'd think we are 15 points from safety I feel like it won't be long before we are 15 points adrift after what I've seen recently!! We've narrowly avoided relegation every season except one since promotion. We've assembled some awful sides in recent years and to me, this side of coasters looks worse than any of them. I take your point but like I said a few weeks back, I honestly can't pick four teams I think we've a chance of finishing above.
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Post by Si on Oct 22, 2017 9:00:07 GMT
Astles is getting bigger and bigger, it's embarrassing, him and mccombe are so slow it's incredible. I don't rate Rowe-Turner and he had a shocker today, kicking the ball out for a corner that led to there goal was inexcuseable. We played an average team today but lost comfortably, Lynch still had to make a number of saves and they cut through our defence so easily. When the summer transfers led to only having 4 defenders this was always on the cards, now we are having to bring in 3-5 players to try and get some kind of team together to stay up as the recruitment through out the summer of a dual wasn't good enough. I also looked at Astles yesterday and thought he'd put weight on. Don't get me wrong, I love the big man but he is a professional ffs.
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Post by glanaber1 on Oct 22, 2017 9:00:47 GMT
I could say a lot to pull the team down after that show yesterday like a lot on here do !!!! But the problem was simple 2 defensive mistakes in bad conditions and a lack of being a team. Lots of individuals trying to play but no real team spirit or fight when the chips were down. Some think we would be better relegated and rebuild again (what crap) Astles looks tired and jaded perhaps losing a stone or two would help. Passing out from the back when playing against a quick midfield is not the answer (hope manager realised that) Rowe Turner got stick for whatever he tried the lad has talent but needs support not people getting on his back. Start being positive about the team we have and encourage them and the new Manager to move on with real support from the supporters!!!! At times yesterday you could hear a handful (poss 20 ) Away supporters more than the 1400 + Chester fans is it any wonder the team play as they do with support that is silent or critical. Lets TRY AND GET BEHIND OUR TEAM .
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Post by glanaber1 on Oct 22, 2017 9:03:31 GMT
By the way it says new member but I have been in football on way or another for 60 years and supporting the team all that time as well.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 9:55:45 GMT
Says something when the highlights of today were the late appearance of Rio . . . to a quick chant, lol; and that big black bird diving around between the Harry Mac and the main stand . . . crow or jackdaw? It was a Carrion Crow and a couple of immature Herring Gulls. I was convinced it was a vulture circling over the rotting corpse of Chester FC
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2017 10:22:00 GMT
Where I was yesterday we agreed that you could "cut and paste" the posts from the Kiddie game, indeed virtually any game this season and apply them to yesterday's shambles so there's really not much to add.
We are what we are - a Conference North team trying to survive in a league one level higher.
I was really hoping for a strong reaction yesterday after Kiddie but, yet again, I left the Deva disappointed and angry. The Deva really is becoming a depressing place to be at the moment, a real sense of impending doom. The crowd, for what it was, WILL get behind the team if they see something to get behind. But, there's almost a sense of resignation nowadays - we WILL make schoolboy errors, we WILL concede and we haven't got either the guile or fight to recover. You know it's coming, you can't do anything about it but still watch almost as if it's a macabre addiction! Gallows humour is creeping in! This is why the atmosphere is flat at the Deva, it's becoming a vicious spiral of pessimism which must be broken. The crowd can and will do their bit but, ultimately, the solution rests with the manager and players, the latter simply not being good enough at the moment.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 22, 2017 11:18:12 GMT
Where I was yesterday we agreed that you could "cut and paste" the posts from the Kiddie game, indeed virtually any game this season and apply them to yesterday's shambles so there's really not much to add. We are what we are - a Conference North team trying to survive in a league one level higher. I was really hoping for a strong reaction yesterday after Kiddie but, yet again, I left the Deva disappointed and angry. The Deva really is becoming a depressing place to be at the moment, a real sense of impending doom. The crowd, for what it was, WILL get behind the team if they see something to get behind. But, there's almost a sense of resignation nowadays - we WILL make schoolboy errors, we WILL concede and we haven't got either the guile or fight to recover. You know it's coming, you can't do anything about it but still watch almost as if it's a macabre addiction! Gallows humour is creeping in! This is why the atmosphere is flat at the Deva, it's becoming a vicious spiral of pessimism which must be broken. The crowd can and will do their bit but, ultimately, the solution rests with the manager and players, the latter simply not being good enough at the moment. Spot on - you only have to look at the atmosphere that was created in the Maidenhead game to see what we, as fans, are capable of. The place was bouncing - that alone should be enough to motivate the players to want to make that happen again.
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Post by citizenblue on Oct 22, 2017 11:41:02 GMT
The only thing worth mentioning this afternoon was the sight of runaway Riot rocking up to his vantage point midway through the first half. Don't forget the 2 seagulls and crow. That was my highlight. I thought the seagulls took the piss, the Crow had a good game tho
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Post by trev on Oct 22, 2017 11:55:11 GMT
I could say a lot to pull the team down after that show yesterday like a lot on here do !!!! But the problem was simple 2 defensive mistakes in bad conditions and a lack of being a team. Lots of individuals trying to play but no real team spirit or fight when the chips were down. Some think we would be better relegated and rebuild again (what crap) Astles looks tired and jaded perhaps losing a stone or two would help. Passing out from the back when playing against a quick midfield is not the answer (hope manager realised that) Rowe Turner got stick for whatever he tried the lad has talent but needs support not people getting on his back. Start being positive about the team we have and encourage them and the new Manager to move on with real support from the supporters!!!! At times yesterday you could hear a handful (poss 20 ) Away supporters more than the 1400 + Chester fans is it any wonder the team play as they do with support that is silent or critical. Lets TRY AND GET BEHIND OUR TEAM .So after nearly 10 months of pretty much consistently abysmal home performances (1 win since December 2016!), and the less said of the players "efforts" at kiddy last week, it is of course the paying fans fault and no doubt the negative minority !! - Not McCarthy’s ineptitude, and not the naive board members who allowed this avoidable shambles to result? The fact that there were only 1400 + Chester fans in attendance tells its own story and are an indictment of this sorry situation itself. Players in this team make similar school boy defensive errors in practically every game. It is abundantly clear there is little team spirit, probably because most of these players have not been prepared to, or simply cannot raise their game and compete when the "Chips are down", and don't give two hoots for this Club or its fans. These players, many of whom are experienced professionals brought in by McCarthy , have very questionable commitment, poor attitude, unfit, and are "has beans " looking for an easy payday . I’m afraid that currently few of these players deserve the fans support, and most will hopefully be shipped out over the coming weeks and months. As the fans quite rightly chanted at Kiddy "you’re not fit to where the Shirt". Yet that said, I am a fan of the CLUB for over 30 years, a season ticket holder, and hope and pray that Marcus Bignot can drag out better performances from the obvious coasters, and perform the increasingly difficult, albeit not quite impossible task of avoiding relegation. At the end of the day whilst there will always be moans and grumbles , the players will get the fans support if they are at least competent , competing to their known ability and genuinely trying their utmost for the Club. How many of the current bunch really can really say that?
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