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Post by durdy on Nov 19, 2018 20:42:15 GMT
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Post by durdy on Nov 19, 2018 20:48:36 GMT
There is a tell tale Mark below the left eye in the newspaper cutting photo from 2008 which matches mor recent photos on his facebook page đ€
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Nov 19, 2018 20:51:48 GMT
Yeah it is to be fair.
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Post by Captain Duff on Nov 19, 2018 22:09:11 GMT
What is it with this club and totally unsuitable staff appointments? Even without the dodgy past Christ knows how he even got past the interview stage, he is hardly inspiring when setting out his view of the role -
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 19, 2018 22:15:08 GMT
I hope the club haven't signed any contracts yet. This guy is completely unsuitable. Who the f*ck did the due diligence?
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Post by icomeinpeace on Nov 19, 2018 22:16:39 GMT
What is it with this club and totally unsuitable staff appointments? Even without the dodgy past Christ knows how he even got past the interview stage, he is hardly inspiring when setting out his view of the role - Usual negative bollocks on Deva Chat - heâs been in the post what, 12 hours and already been told he uninspiring! At the CFU the board said he has three month probation so letâs see what he can do in that time then pass comment. Thatâs if he doesnât read Deva Chat and run away quickly, who on earth in their right mind would do anything for this club...
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Post by uptheseals on Nov 19, 2018 22:17:19 GMT
Oh ffs Chester
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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on Nov 19, 2018 22:19:49 GMT
This happened 10 years ago.
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Post by paulcrossleyshair on Nov 19, 2018 22:51:58 GMT
Unbelievable!
I hope this is sorted out by the club very swiftly.
I'm guessing that wasn't part of his CV?
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Post by icomeinpeace on Nov 19, 2018 22:55:13 GMT
Unbelievable! I hope this is sorted out by the club very swiftly. I'm guessing that wasn't part of his CV? What exactly do you expect the club to do? Doesnât affect his current role, was over 10 years ago, and no follow up report if he was successful in challenging it. from what we are told he is GM not finance budget holder so letâs move on and hope he can help the club. Compared to some peevious people at Chester if this is true heâs still a saint!
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Post by rcb on Nov 19, 2018 23:18:47 GMT
He does seem very vague in his interview in regard to his work history, and his association with football hasnât been in the last ten years. Quite worrying that Chester FC seem incapable of attracting staff without tainted backgrounds. Given the known history of Maguire we still hired him, and I recall many on here were critical of others who expressed concerns. I would have thought that on this occasion it was essential to get a flawless appointment. I expected at least that, so unfortunately Iâm not inspired. I await the usual abuse from the usual suspects.
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Post by chesterblue80 on Nov 20, 2018 0:11:57 GMT
Whooper3 will love this
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Post by whopper1 on Nov 20, 2018 1:24:46 GMT
There must be a right village idot doing the interviews and dishing jobs out,mcarthy, Bignot, wainwright,maguire and now this bloke
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Post by paulcrossleyshair on Nov 20, 2018 8:49:42 GMT
Unbelievable! I hope this is sorted out by the club very swiftly. I'm guessing that wasn't part of his CV? What exactly do you expect the club to do? Doesnât affect his current role, was over 10 years ago, and no follow up report if he was successful in challenging it. from what we are told he is GM not finance budget holder so letâs move on and hope he can help the club. Compared to some peevious people at Chester if this is true heâs still a saint! A great mind once said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" or something like that :-) Whether he is finance budget holder or not "if" as suggested above he has been involved in fraud of any description before and the club do nothing, we are just doing the same thing that we did when you are comparing him to those that went before. We were warned about Vaughan, we could clearly see his track record. We were warned about Maguire, we could clearly see his track record. We fell foul of someone that made ÂŁ20k in bar revenue go "missing" I'm led to believe, I presume we didn't see that one coming. We have now been warned of possible "misdemeanors" of this Gentleman's past involving a big F word. So in answer to your question, what do I expect the club to do? I would expect them to be having a deep and frank conversation and leave no stone unturned. I would expect them, if not comfortable, to start the recruitment process again. If they are comfortable, I would expect them to explain to us fellow owners exactly what was said to allay their fears of hiring someone with financial fraud in their past (IF it is the same person as suggested). Then I would expect them to put their names to that decision and hold their hands up on their way out, if it all goes wrong AGAIN.
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Post by Churton Blue on Nov 20, 2018 9:15:20 GMT
If it is the same person and if any appeal was unsuccessful then I would suggest that if this information was not disclosed at interview stage he should be dismissed forthwith.
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Post by happyclapper52 on Nov 20, 2018 9:22:12 GMT
3 months probation is inadequate. Need at least 6 months to test his commercial capability.
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 20, 2018 9:33:08 GMT
"Its over 10 years ago". Who said that? Its fraud whenever it was and a leopard never changes its spots. For God's sake board give your heads a wobble and show this fraudster the door.
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Post by Alexander Lukashenko on Nov 20, 2018 10:03:03 GMT
"Its over 10 years ago". Who said that? Its fraud whenever it was and a leopard never changes its spots. For God's sake board give your heads a wobble and show this fraudster the door. I said it. So we should just do away with anyone who has had a âhistoryâ? Have you ever done any wrongdoing in your life? Or are you a perfect man? Iâll let you in on a secret, everyone has a history and no one is perfect.
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Post by hevanan on Nov 20, 2018 11:26:37 GMT
"Its over 10 years ago". Who said that? Its fraud whenever it was and a leopard never changes its spots. For God's sake board give your heads a wobble and show this fraudster the door. I said it. So we should just do away with anyone who has had a âhistoryâ? Have you ever done any wrongdoing in your life? Or are you a perfect man? Iâll let you in on a secret, everyone has a history and no one is perfect. Don't be so damn stupid Ossers old boy it all depends what your history is and Fraud is a pretty bad history to own up to the man didn't get a slap on the wrist and told not to do it again he got a whopping big fine as that was justification against the crime committed and excuse the poor example I am about to give but you wouldn't let an abuser of children near a child again be it 10 years or 100 years so why let a Fraudster anywhere near a responsible position where there is a million pound floating around.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 20, 2018 11:34:47 GMT
In my opinion, the club needs to reverse this appointment. I know people will say itâs 10 years ago and everyone has a past, but this a huge black mark.
In the past, I would probably have said let bygones be bygones and give him a second chance, but I think that approach has not served us well over the years. On too many occasions, weâve been too stand-offish as supporters when someone with a dubious background comes to the club, and too quick to shout down anybody with objections.
Surely there are more suitable candidates for the role?
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Post by cheshireblue on Nov 20, 2018 11:48:46 GMT
For a supporter owned football club to employ a man who systematically ripped off people for his own financial gain, is abhorrent. Whether it was 10 years or 50 years ago, is that the kind of individual who you want representing and working under our ethos? Just to add to the whole debacle. It may well be a different Stephen Jones, but given the age matches that of our General Manager (story from 8 years ago), plus what has already been discovered, it doesn't look particularly good. Mortgage Fraud
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Post by rcb on Nov 20, 2018 12:06:28 GMT
In my opinion, the club needs to reverse this appointment. I know people will say itâs 10 years ago and everyone has a past, but this a huge black mark. In the past, I would probably have said let bygones be bygones and give him a second chance, but I think that approach has not served us well over the years. On too many occasions, weâve been too stand-offish as supporters when someone with a dubious background comes to the club, and too quick to shout down anybody with objections. Surely there are more suitable candidates for the role? Totally agree. History tells us that the club has an inability to change the bad characteristics of anyone appointed to an administrative role. Quite concerning reading of someone giving bad advice to between 1500 - 2000 customers and with it the risk of losing money. Thought I was reading about Maguire, but even he didnât receive a fine of ÂŁ100,000. But Jonathan Phelan, the FSAâs head of retail enforcement, said: âMr Jones and Mr Poole exposed more than 2,000 of the partnership's customers to the risk of receiving unsuitable advice and losing money. âMr Jones's fraudulent mortgage application and his dishonesty in attempting to cover up regulatory failings were completely unacceptable warranting a ban and a large financial penalty.â i keep reading about about the qualities of being fan owned, with inherent openness and transparency so I see this as a major and immediate test of the Board.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Nov 20, 2018 12:14:53 GMT
Who on earth carried out 'due diligence' on this appointment?
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Post by Gandalf on Nov 20, 2018 12:22:30 GMT
Id like to know for sure its him, extremely common name and from the picture in the daily post the picture only shows the bottom half of his face. Yeah, now this has been brought up the board should ask him the question and if it him i'd also be of the opinion that he'd have to go if he never brought it up in interview. im worried that the board are going to be made to look like fools yet again if this is the case, a quick search online before the interview would have brought this up
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Nov 20, 2018 12:32:28 GMT
Certainly looks like him...
... albeit ten years younger. On your final point I'd be surprised if social media and Google wasn't used to check on candidates' pasts and presents as that's par for the course in the vast majority of recruitment activities these days.
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Post by Imperial on Nov 20, 2018 12:35:42 GMT
I donât know much about this sort of thing but he received the second biggest fine ever issued for this sort of offence according to that article which isnât a great indication.
It does seem like we take a step backward for every two forward.
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Post by peterkaysock on Nov 20, 2018 12:39:21 GMT
Spent conviction,he doesn't have to disclose it after 10 year's. I'm all for giving someone a 2nd chance. He knows we will be on him like a tramp on chips if he cocks up.
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Nov 20, 2018 12:44:20 GMT
Found this too...
This is a second, separate conviction from more recently than the one first mentioned on this thread and is perhaps even more serious. The first one was regulatory, this one was criminal. He was sentenced to two years in jail. It's feasible that there could be two Stephen Jones of the exact same age who were both mortgage brokers in the Rhyl area but...
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Post by rick on Nov 20, 2018 12:55:14 GMT
This doesn't bode well does it? Think the club needs to sort this out asap, hope he's not sniffing around Stuart's money! The board need to check his background asap. It would be bloody typical of us wouldn't it, if we've made another shocking appointment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 13:12:01 GMT
Certainly looks like him...
... albeit ten years younger. On your final point I'd be surprised if social media and Google wasn't used to check on candidates' pasts and presents as that's par for the course in the vast majority of recruitment activities these days. Oops. Bloody hell.
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