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Post by jimbob on Nov 20, 2018 18:02:00 GMT
This is a nightmare, makes the Club look bad. Cant understand how it could have happened!
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 20, 2018 18:02:50 GMT
I sincerely hope he hasn't been paid a severance package. Possibly three months' worth as that was his initial "trial period" in the role. The club can't do much about that as they had appointed him already and there's employment laws. Bloody ell SB I was only joking. Surely if he withheld information at his interview that's constructive dismissal.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 18:08:10 GMT
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My guess is they will pay a small amount to prevent any hassle plus what time he's been in post.
More importantly we now have no manager again.
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Post by Cestrian1987 on Nov 20, 2018 18:11:00 GMT
. My guess is they will pay a small amount to prevent any hassle plus what time he's been in post. More importantly we now have no manager again. Weâve got 2
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Post by icomeinpeace on Nov 20, 2018 18:18:33 GMT
Usual negative bollocks on Deva Chat - heâs been in the post what, 12 hours and already been told he uninspiring! At the CFU the board said he has three month probation so letâs see what he can do in that time then pass comment. Thatâs if he doesnât read Deva Chat and run away quickly, who on earth in their right mind would do anything for this club... Hows the old blame-the-fans going for you there? What a horror show. So, the info is right and the board acted quickly. At least that makes a change.
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Post by gone4eva on Nov 20, 2018 18:20:30 GMT
Hows the old blame-the-fans going for you there? What a horror show. So, the info is right and the board acted quickly. At least that makes a change. Think you were the one with the 'usual bollocks' on here, going to apologise?
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Post by MPW on Nov 20, 2018 18:20:36 GMT
. My guess is they will pay a small amount to prevent any hassle plus what time he's been in post. More importantly we now have no manager again. This might not nessarily be a bad thing! Donât forget we wouldnât have got Bern and Jonno if the club had persisted with appointing Redfearn. It does make you question our employment process though. I appreciate that we are having to rely on volunteers, but maybe we need to start using an employment agency too?
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Post by icomeinpeace on Nov 20, 2018 18:23:54 GMT
So, the info is right and the board acted quickly. At least that makes a change. Think you were the one with the 'usual bollocks' on here, going to apologise? Yes. Not to precious to say it either. Thereâs always a first time for something to be right on here!
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Post by sqzl on Nov 20, 2018 18:32:09 GMT
Jesus what a shambles. Good news is itâs been sorted within 24hr, worrying news is Durdy seems to have done better due diligence that those who interviewed for arguably the most important role in the business.
Just when you think these monsterous cock ups are a thing of the past, we come back with another blinder.
This parts a bit more lighthearted, but we havenât accidentally sold the club to Mr Murphy have we? After all we did do significant due diligence đ I really am joking there though!
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Post by Si on Nov 20, 2018 18:37:45 GMT
This is spectacularly Chester. On a serious note though, even though the board are stretched they really should be properly checking candidates history for this role given the past chancers weâve attracted. I can understand that they are stretched, but cutting corners has ultimately led them now now having to spend more time mopping this mess up whilst having to wait even longer to get a much needed general manager in place.
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Post by highpeakblue on Nov 20, 2018 18:38:08 GMT
Most people start with a probationary period. He didn't pass his.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Nov 20, 2018 18:38:27 GMT
At least it was resolved quickly. I think this highlights even more the need for supporters to come forward and volunteer for the board and other roles. Letâs see if individuals come forward.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 18:39:46 GMT
I too find it unbelievable that more checks were not made. As the post holder would be involved at times with youth teams and perhaps vulnerable adults he should have been required to be cleared under the Disclosure and Barring Service (the successor to the CRB check). This is a fundamental requirement and would have immediately flagged up any criminal past. Can we receive an assurance that any further appointments are cleared through the DBS system? We must learn from all these mistakes on HR matters. Well done Durdy! Donât know much about the law, but perhaps as his previous activities were dealt with by the Financial Services Authority they wouldnât be flagged up as a criminal activity by DBS. However this does not excuse the shortcomings in the due diligence carried out by the club. The second one was a criminal conviction that resulted in prison. Would definitely come up on a DBS. Cannot understand why they never did one, all CFU directors do one.
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Post by rcb on Nov 20, 2018 18:40:10 GMT
I was very concerned with the performance of the board which left Maguire as good as unaccountable to anyone, and which almost destroyed the club. A full review was apparently carried out and proceedures put in place to prevent any such situations in the future. Something has drastically failed and I invite Richard, the report author, to publicly air his views on this latest debacle.
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Post by spencerwhelanleftpeg on Nov 20, 2018 18:43:09 GMT
I was very concerned with the performance of the board which left Maguire as good as unaccountable to anyone, and which almost destroyed the club. A full review was apparently carried out and proceedures put in place to prevent any such situations in the future. Something has drastically failed and I invite Richard, the report author, to publicly air his views on this latest debacle. That promises to be an interesting read RCB.
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Post by muffinthemule on Nov 20, 2018 18:44:55 GMT
Surely all this goes to show the perils of being "a fan owned club". The board are all volunteers without the necessary qualifications to do the job professionally. Not intended as a criticism of these fans who have taken up the mantle of running our club, and in my opinion do it well. A club that is run by a professional board would have professional (Paid)PR person in post along with other paid officials. We have no money for this type of person so let's say well done to them for taking action when the facts became apparent.
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Post by South Wirral Blue on Nov 20, 2018 18:45:51 GMT
I get we're overstretched.
I get those at the club are doing their best.
Nevertheless, this is alarming.
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Nov 20, 2018 18:48:57 GMT
I, too, would like to hear Richard's views just out of interest.
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Post by Captain Duff on Nov 20, 2018 18:49:18 GMT
I sincerely hope he hasn't been paid a severance package. Possibly three months' worth as that was his initial "trial period" in the role. The club can't do much about that as they had appointed him already and there's employment laws. Likely one of two outcomes with this. If an employer offers a post, it is accepted, and then the employer withdraws that offer (even if it was made verbally), then the thwarted employee has the legal right to claim the notice pay due on that aborted contract (which may well be three months, but it could be less, or more). However, if a prospective employee has not been fully open on an application, so for an example missed out a period of work history or not been truthful about the reasons for leaving a previous job (so missed off things like being sacked or being sent to prison), then that is normally a summary dismissal by the new employer and no notice pay would be due.
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Post by happyclapper on Nov 20, 2018 19:03:06 GMT
Surely all this goes to show the perils of being "a fan owned club". The board are all volunteers without the necessary qualifications to do the job professionally. Not intended as a criticism of these fans who have taken up the mantle of running our club, and in my opinion do it well. A club that is run by a professional board would have professional (Paid)PR person in post along with other paid officials. We have no money for this type of person so let's say well done to them for taking action when the facts became apparent. Isn't Andrew Morris a HR specialist? therefore I would have thought he was professionally qualified - im pretty certain that's how he is introduced at CFU meetings, as a HR specialist?
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Post by avfo on Nov 20, 2018 19:34:46 GMT
Donât know much about the law, but perhaps as his previous activities were dealt with by the Financial Services Authority they wouldnât be flagged up as a criminal activity by DBS. However this does not excuse the shortcomings in the due diligence carried out by the club. The second one was a criminal conviction that resulted in prison. Would definitely come up on a DBS. Cannot understand why they never did one, all CFU directors do one. Would it though? Based purely on the job description it looks likely that only a basic DBS check would apply and in that case spent convictions wouldn't show up.
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Post by shango on Nov 20, 2018 19:49:21 GMT
The second one was a criminal conviction that resulted in prison. Would definitely come up on a DBS. Cannot understand why they never did one, all CFU directors do one. Would it though? Based purely on the job description it looks likely that only a basic DBS check would apply and in that case spent convictions wouldn't show up. Yeah it would mate.Spent or not.A DBS shows all criminal convictions from a minor fine right up to a jail term. As mentioned i have several enhanced DBS checks and all show my convictions for criminal damages in 1991 and the penalty imposed which were fines and the amount of those fines.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 19:53:05 GMT
The second one was a criminal conviction that resulted in prison. Would definitely come up on a DBS. Cannot understand why they never did one, all CFU directors do one. Would it though? Based purely on the job description it looks likely tha6t only a basic DBS check would apply and in that case spent convictions wouldn't show up. No, his role would involve potential contact with children and vulnerable adults. The club have enhanced DBS checks run for board members, I dont think this would be any different for this role.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 20, 2018 20:14:20 GMT
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Post by johny9 on Nov 20, 2018 20:28:39 GMT
Thankfully itâs sorted but can anyone honestly say this would happen at any other football club in the country ? It depends on what you mean by that. What has happened is the power of fan ownership as WE have brought this to a head and prompted the club to act. How many other clubs could that happen to? I mean what other football club apart from us appoints a general manager whoâs been convicted of fraud previously
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Post by avfo on Nov 20, 2018 20:40:57 GMT
Would it though? Based purely on the job description it looks likely tha6t only a basic DBS check would apply and in that case spent convictions wouldn't show up. No, his role would involve potential contact with children and vulnerable adults. The club have enhanced DBS checks run for board members, I dont think this would be any different for this role. If that is the case then I'm amazed that either an enhanced check was not carried out, or it was but was then discounted due to the passage of time. Either way, surely co-owners have a right to be told the facts about the process that led to this appointment?
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Post by devaboyreturns on Nov 20, 2018 20:55:39 GMT
Probably the most important role at CFC. We took our time to name someone. How could we get this so badly wrong
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Post by avfo on Nov 20, 2018 21:12:49 GMT
Talk about dodging a bullet. Thankfully one owner (if Durdy isn't already a co-owner have a whip round and sign them up pronto!) did their bit of due diligence.
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Post by Si on Nov 20, 2018 21:41:07 GMT
I got to page 6 before it was obvious that the guy is a total shithouse of a human being and decided there was no need to carry on. How the hell was all this missed, but people on Deva Chat are unearthing all this stuff?!
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Post by Lobster on Nov 20, 2018 21:47:44 GMT
I got to page 6 before it was obvious that the guy is a total shithouse of a human being and decided there was no need to carry on. How the hell was all this missed, but people on Deva Chat are unearthing all this stuff?! I'm not sure, although it is much easier when you know what you're looking for.
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