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Post by Charfield Blue on Nov 20, 2018 13:19:28 GMT
Very concerning this.
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Post by sealking on Nov 20, 2018 13:20:10 GMT
Who recommended him...Stephen Vaughan? Surely he was checked out before given the job. Not sure how many applied for the job but if he was the best then that's worrying. I'm all for given people second chances and proving themselves but to have a general manager running our club who has a criminal record and ripped off thousands of people out of their money isn't the ethos of the club and not the person we need/want.
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Post by Matt on Nov 20, 2018 13:23:27 GMT
I thought Stuart Murphy would have a say into these type of interviews, at least his business opinion and if he has then.. double oops!
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Post by paulcrossleyshair on Nov 20, 2018 13:26:11 GMT
I thought Stuart Murphy would have a say into these type of interviews, at least his business opinion and if he has then.. double oops! I think he's based overseas most of the time from what I remember reading, so maybe not. However, if he is a friend/business contact of a Board Member then that would be just as disappointing. Would be good to get a statement from the Club asap to put this to bed one way or the other.
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Post by cheshireblue on Nov 20, 2018 13:29:10 GMT
Apart from a few bits, where a Steve Jones was involved in some capacity (management team), I am struggling to find any major acknowledgement of his time at Prestatyn, particularly given their rise through the leagues during the time that has been mentioned by the GM.
Something is very, very wrong here.
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Post by Frank Owenās Paintbrush on Nov 20, 2018 13:41:31 GMT
I was going to question whether the two and a half year employment gap (due the prison sentence conviction) was raised at all at interview but the article merely highlighted the conviction and not the actual served time which, of course, could be much shorter.
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Post by avfo on Nov 20, 2018 13:56:50 GMT
Apart from a few bits, where a Steve Jones was involved in some capacity (management team), I am struggling to find any major acknowledgement of his time at Prestatyn, particularly given their rise through the leagues during the time that has been mentioned by the GM. Something is very, very wrong here. 'Prestatyn were a modest third-tier Welsh Alliance League outfit at the time, but then chairman Steve Jones appointed former Southport, Colwyn Bay and Rhyl defender Dave Fuller as player-manager ā and the rest is history'. www.dailypost.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/dave-jones-how-cup-glory-3572740'2005/6 was the season that really marked an upturn in Prestatyn's fortunes when, under the chairmanship of Steven Jones' www.huwsgrayalliance.co.uk/index.php/clubs/team/26-huws-gray-alliance-2018-19/28-prestatyn-townJudging by his twitter feed Dave Powell may be asking questions - 'It's not being ignored. Bear with me'. Can't vouch for this piece but if true.... 'I was unaware when writing the above article that some of Dickensā mortgages were arranged by Stephen Jones, senior partner of Jones & Poole Independent Mortgage Specialists. A well placed source tells me Dickensā unsuccessful defence sought to distance him from his frauds by relying on the fact that some of the irregularities on his mortgage applications were very similar to those on other applications arranged by Jones' -M. nearlylegal.co.uk/2009/01/on-the-naughty-step-guest-post/
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 14:07:19 GMT
This has massive implications for the club and he should be sacked Asap
Can you imagine a brand like MBNA sponsoring a club managed by a convinced criminal involved in financial fraud. Madness on every level.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 14:17:15 GMT
Wont see a home game.
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Post by dc2cfc on Nov 20, 2018 14:29:09 GMT
If this is the same bloke as the articles, not a chance do I want him being the general manager on a day to day basis.
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Post by Al on Nov 20, 2018 14:29:43 GMT
If this is the same person - and judging from AVFO and Dave Powell's tweet this afternoon it seems it is - then there are some serious questions to answer regarding the whole application and interview process.
It's more terrible PR for the club when we really need some good, positive news to show that we've learnt from the mistakes of 12 months ago
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Post by blaconcasual1 on Nov 20, 2018 14:37:38 GMT
He's basically the brains behind a criminal enterprise,has worked closely with two of Wales biggest property fraudsters in Dickens & Creamer,I hope that 1 mill is under lock & keyš§
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Post by paulcrossleyshair on Nov 20, 2018 14:39:16 GMT
If this is the same person - and judging from AVFO and Dave Powell's tweet this afternoon it seems it is - then there are some serious questions to answer regarding the whole application and interview process. It's more terrible PR for the club when we really need some good, positive news to show that we've learnt from the mistakes of 12 months ago In fairness, it's more what the club do with this news that's important here. A person who has committed fraudulent activity on this scale is usually a smooth talker (even to a greater extend than Maguire maybe). If he can fraudulently get the best part of 2000 mortgage applications approved he can fudge a CV and interview simply enough. Hats off to Durdy for bringing this to all our (and subsequently the club's) attention though. Can we get him on the panel with his laptop for all future appointments?! :-D If the club respond with a "some information has come to light which has made Mr Jones position untenable and not the person we want associated with CFC and he's gone, sorry!" that's good enough for me. No need for a further witch hunt unless he's somebody on the Board's mate.
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 20, 2018 14:58:17 GMT
"Its over 10 years ago". Who said that? Its fraud whenever it was and a leopard never changes its spots. For God's sake board give your heads a wobble and show this fraudster the door. I said it. So we should just do away with anyone who has had a āhistoryā? Have you ever done any wrongdoing in your life? Or are you a perfect man? Iāll let you in on a secret, everyone has a history and no one is perfect. Have I ever done anything wrong in my life ~~~~ let me think. Err yes, but no fraud. Are you his agent or something? We need to be whiter than white after all the bollox we've dropped, especially MM.
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 20, 2018 15:03:09 GMT
Spent conviction,he doesn't have to disclose it after 10 year's. I'm all for giving someone a 2nd chance. He knows we will be on him like a tramp on chips if he cocks up. I believe that convictions are never spent these days.
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Post by utb on Nov 20, 2018 15:09:02 GMT
Only at Chester!
Seriously who carries out due diligence when we employ for in house positions at the club? Just once Iād like us to employ someone with no criminal record, no association with any former unhappy regimes (Mr Allen) and no trail of destruction at any of his previous roles (Mr Maguire). Thatās not much to ask is it surely?
Also does anyone know a Chester fan out there with lots of experience in employing people who could voluntarily come in and carry out proper due diligence on behalf of the club when we advertise for roles like this? Because clearly the current incumbent is inadequate for the job!
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Post by rick on Nov 20, 2018 15:17:41 GMT
As has been mentioned to me, donāt we have a HR person on the board? If so, how on earth did this appointment of the new general manager happen?
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Post by dmcnally on Nov 20, 2018 15:40:29 GMT
Could be something to do with this.
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Post by dmcnally on Nov 20, 2018 15:44:01 GMT
The YouTube interview has disappeared so I think heās gone.
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Post by paulcrossleyshair on Nov 20, 2018 15:46:12 GMT
The YouTube interview has disappeared so I think heās gone. News article welcoming him has gone from the website too.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 20, 2018 15:46:25 GMT
He's basically the brains behind a criminal enterprise,has worked closely with two of Wales biggest property fraudsters in Dickens & Creamer,I hope that 1 mill is under lock & keyš§ This Creamer guy seems a complete lunatic! Look at this blog he appears to run. Heās convinced that North Wales Police, HMRC and everyone else has got it in for him, and heās just innocent little Michael. michaelcreamervsthemob.co.uk
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Post by Matt on Nov 20, 2018 15:46:35 GMT
Dave Powell has Just said there's Chester FC News at 4pm. "Just finished recording an interesting podcast"
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Post by cfcforme on Nov 20, 2018 15:50:09 GMT
Spent conviction,he doesn't have to disclose it after 10 year's. I'm all for giving someone a 2nd chance. He knows we will be on him like a tramp on chips if he cocks up. I believe that convictions are never spent these days. It looks like you may believe incorrectly: www.nacro.org.uk/resettlement-advice-service/support-for-individuals/disclosing-criminal-records/rehabilitation-offenders-act/#englandAccording to that link, with a sentence of 2 1/2 years, he would only have to declare if for 4 years, so wouldn't have had to for this post (if i'm reading that correctly) Elsewhere it states: "However, there are two main exceptions which relate to people working with children or vulnerable adults."....... I don't know the role enough to say whether it does or it doesn't.
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Post by paulcrossleyshair on Nov 20, 2018 15:53:50 GMT
The number of times we've been mugged off, surely we should now be classed as vulnerable adults?! :-D
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Post by Hannibal on Nov 20, 2018 15:57:24 GMT
I've got a minor driving conviction and have been told it will always be on my record. I do some voluntary which requires a criminal conviction check and have been told it will never be spent. It will always appear on this check. If I've been misinformed I'll be onto those tw*ts like a ton of bricks.
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Post by dmcnally on Nov 20, 2018 15:59:16 GMT
"Chester Football Club can confirm that, following a number of issues that have come to the clubs attention over the past 24 hours, Stephen Jones has left employment with the club with immediate effect.As part of the recruitment process significant checks and due diligence were completed based on the information provided upon application. The issues however only came to light following his commencement in post and the club has acted swiftly once they came out to resolve these matters. We will be making no further comment on the matter." www.chesterfc.com/2018/11/20/statement-stephen-jones/
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Post by Rio Doherty on Nov 20, 2018 16:00:04 GMT
He has gone: www.chesterfc.com/2018/11/20/statement-stephen-jones/For me this is the absolute correct decision as this couldāve ended up in tears if we hadnāt have known about his past activities. Well done to Durdy especially for bringing this up and to our board who have acted immediately. For future appointments though we must be VERY careful to avoid any more Maguireās, Richeās and Jonesā as we have been mugged off far too many times.
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Post by durdy on Nov 20, 2018 16:00:54 GMT
All hail Durdy the saviour of the universe š
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Post by Matt on Nov 20, 2018 16:02:30 GMT
farcical really, the Club has been saved because someone on Deva Chat used Google.
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Post by dmcnally on Nov 20, 2018 16:03:01 GMT
All hail Durdy the saviour of the universe š Well done for bringing it to people's attention! Have to say I saw the same article a few days ago and thought nothing of it with him being a Jones in North Wales. That teaches me a lesson.
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