General Election?

On reflection I should have called it an Alliance of Convenience, for it would certainly never be a formal coalition. Its purpose would be to prevent a Hard Brexit by sending negotiators to Brussels with instructions to prioritise trade, the economy and our soveriegn right to have an industrial policy unshackled by neoliberal Treaties. And domestically,to reverse the corporate led agenda for a race to the bottom, the cutting of corporate taxes that will bleed government coffers of so much tax revenue so as to make the NHS and welfare state unaffordable. Does anybody really want to live in a tax haven run in the interests of the kleptocrat bankster 1%?

To be honest, I really don't care who is PM so long as its not a Hard Brexit Tory, however, I would be extatic should Corbyn become PM.

Leaving the EU should be a good thing, ditching the failed economic dogma enshrined in the last few EU treaties that prevent a UK government aiding alling industries, for example, the Steel industry, all but forbid nationalisation, and insist on competition/markets within public services in areas where competition/markets are simply not appropriate, such as the NHS. BUT as with most things, the EU is badly, probably fatally, flawed but not all bad.

A clean/Hard Brexit would throw out the baby out with the bathwater. The Customs Union being the best example of EU wide cooperation that benefits all. I just wish Labour would set out the easily composed arguments against May's WTO fantasy Land, this utopic land of green pastures in which a multitude of trade agreements across the globe will somehow compensate for inhibiting trade with the biggest market for our exports. We have had numerous hints of what these 'Trade Agreements' would look like, miniature TTIPs that is what, with investor protection stamped through them like a stick of Blackpool rock.

Globalism mark 2 based on incoherant Neo classical economic models has failed, as did mark1 in the 30s, and must be reversed, capitalism must be managed, capital corralled once more, and democracy be expanded back in areas it has all but been barred. We might have the internet with instant transfers of funds from one juristiction to another at the touch of a key, but technology can only assist in controlling these movements, as they ALL leave an electronic record behind.

Labour, Lib Dem, Green, SNP, PC and Green supporters have many legitimate and heated disagreements, but for the sake of all our futures they MUST vote tactically for just ONE General Election to vote in each constituancy for the candidate most likely, based on the 2015 result, to keep the Tories out. Its down to all of us, and if we fail I fear that our proud nation will go be going to a debt ladened, financialised, xenophobic, corporate run hell in a handcart.

Anachronism? You have been watching too much MSM. You think failed neo classical economics, the epitomy of an anachronism, and the threat of a economically ruinous Hard Brexit to be sensible?

Corbyn is labelled left wing because he refuses to tow US led policy of unquestioned support for apartheid israel, seeing the treatment of Palestinians unjust. He opposes the always disasterous neocon interventions in the Middle East. name ONE that had positive outcomes for the people of that region?  And opposes the building of an unusable, unaffordable WMD Trident. All the opposite of extreme for anybody with a moral compass that has the ability to think rationally.

Corbyn's economic stance is mainstream social demoocrat - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy - That is an agenda for a more managed capitalism of the kind we had during the post WW2 consensus. Economic globalisation is a poliical construction and can de-constructed. Left wingers ( pre neoliberal 'Third Way' New Labour)  in the Labour Party were always democratic socialists who considered social democracy a weak compromise, that is not the Corbyn agenda by any concievable measure.

The extreme policies come from the right, what can be labelled now as the 'extreme centre', we have had nearly 40 years of following incoherant and ultimately disasterous neo classical economic policies, these produced the crash as similar policies had in the 30s. The post war consensus did not collapse due to its failure, it was actively undermined by powerful people with a corporate anti democratic agenda. billmoyers.com/content/the-powell-memo-a-call-to-arms-for-corporations/ The people were duped by the same process under way in the NHS now, make it fail and argue for a radical reversal in policy.

It was not the socialist local council that destroyed the Liverpool economy, how could they have done so even if they had wished to? It was the extreme neoliberal economic policies of the Thatcher government. The city was deindustrialised, it sank into hopelessness (documented at the time in the drama, The Boys From The Blackstuff) this eventually led to riots and then a totally rational response from the cities electors to vote for a rejection of cuts to their councils budget which would have made matters even worse for a city on its uppers. But then accurate documentation of History matters little today it seems.

Corbyn has many failings, he is not a natural leader, but he is a thoroughly decent and principled human being, he is not a great debater, but still beats May most weeks at PMQs, that is why she wont debate him and other party leaders with better debating skills on TV.

What would be sad is if the deluded Tory Hard Brexit agenda wins this election. And that is made worse by a continuation the economic policy of extend and pretend, that is the crazy hope that 2007/8 was a blip and nothing much needs to change. Do you really want to live in a corporate tax haven??

 

It's been a mad 12 months with Brexit and Trump results shocking a lot of people, including me.

Do you think that there is a possibility that we will see a Lib Dem revival? I know they won't win too many seats, but an increased percentage of the popular vote. It wouldn't surprise me.

Hardly surprised considering you suggested the LibDems should lose the word Democrat from their title... because they'd offer a second vote on the deal.
They're adding more democracy and you're worried Brexit won't maintain a majority in a second vote, so you're stifling democracy whilst calling the democrats undemocratic.

Your last two posts are contradictory. First you talk about a second vote on the deal and while I don't personally agree with that I can see the rationale for some people. Then however your second post talks about staying in the EU which implies that the Lib???s don't actually give a toss about the deal, they want to stay in the EU. That strikes me as wanting to overturn the democratic will of the people expressed in the referendum.

How would a second poll of any kind be against the 'democratic will of the people'?
It would be updating the democratic will of the people. If the will of the people at a second poll is to take a hard brexit, an offered deal, or whatever else, then that would be reflected in the result.

Saying it's undemocratic to have another vote, in undemocratic to be scared of asking the people incase other people have changed their mind and no longer support your view

Corbyn's legacy will be that he'll be the man that took Labour from the brink of power to being a minor political party. He is an anachronism. He's also an anti-semite, despite getting cleared by his pal Shami Chakrabate.

I know jack shit about politics, I can't even be bothered to registr my vote to spoil it in the booth, but I know the Lib Dems are a laughing stock, joke of a party.

You love a bit of libel don't you? 

The number of people I have seen you incorrectly accuse of being an anti-semite now is staggering.

Ok well cheers for at least admitting you don't know shit, I'm not convinced their more of a laughing stock than Labour.

Lib Dems will make big gains, Labour are unfortunately about to be wiped out.



I believed in Corbyn too once, but it's just not panned out for him.

I live in France, and must thank Theresa May for opening the eyes of the voters here.
As a result of the UK voting for the Brexit and the clear cut disaster it is going to be,
it looks like the majority do not want the same thing happening here and are going to vote against Marine La Penn
Un grand merci !

A screwed up country politically. The socialists urging their supporters to vote for Macron who must be the very antithesis of all they believe.

As if you just posted that you absolute weapon.

I'm not one clamouring for a second referendum or anything, but I don't think that's true. Everything I've seen suggests the opposite.

It's irrelevant anyway because it's happening. You don't get 'practice' referendums. Despite the moaning I've done I wouldn't really say I'm fiercely pro-EU or pro-Remain. I was probably only about 60-40 in favour. I just don't like the way the Conservative government has orchestrated the whole thing. If Brexit can somehow lead to a change of government I think it's probably been worth it.