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Post by Lobster on Apr 18, 2017 12:59:46 GMT
So, an election on June 8th?
I welcome it, but it seems a bit mental. Literally a matter of weeks to get something of that scale together.
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Post by ted the count on Apr 18, 2017 13:34:43 GMT
It's a load of b......t but probably very shrewd timing from a prime minister that said not long ago they'd be no snap election.
It wont be about UK issue's,it'll get turned into more brexit bullshit....ALL our home issue's will be overlooked.It's a diversion,we'll all be so divided arguing brexit the nasty party will be effing us all right up the jacksie while we're looking the other way.
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Post by marner93 on Apr 18, 2017 14:31:11 GMT
Well it's not as if JC or the Lib Dems are going to be any sort of opposition. Might aswell get Screaming Lord Sutch back.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Apr 18, 2017 19:57:28 GMT
Now is the time to stop pissing about and forget party loyalties outside of the Tories. Across the country people need to vote tactically to get the Tories out before they can do any more damage; I generally don't vote Labour but probably will this time, unless the Lib Dems look as though they'll mount a challenge.
All you had to do was listen to the unsubstantiated BS coming out of May's mouth when announcing this today to see how little she cares for anyone but the people at the top.
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 18, 2017 21:17:12 GMT
Now is the time to stop pissing about and forget party loyalties outside of the Tories. Across the country people need to vote tactically to get the Tories out before they can do any more damage; I generally don't vote Labour but probably will this time, unless the Lib Dems look as though they'll mount a challenge. All you had to do was listen to the unsubstantiated BS coming out of May's mouth when announcing this today to see how little she cares for anyone but the people at the top. How can anyone vote Lib Dem. they should be forced to take the word democrat out of their name as they patently don't agree with democracy.
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Post by Malcolm Tucker on Apr 18, 2017 21:41:32 GMT
Now is the time to stop pissing about and forget party loyalties outside of the Tories. Across the country people need to vote tactically to get the Tories out before they can do any more damage; I generally don't vote Labour but probably will this time, unless the Lib Dems look as though they'll mount a challenge. All you had to do was listen to the unsubstantiated BS coming out of May's mouth when announcing this today to see how little she cares for anyone but the people at the top. How can anyone vote Lib Dem. they should be forced to take the word democrat out of their name as they patently don't agree with democracy. How so? If people can be trusted to pull the trigger on brexit they can be trusted to have a say in the final deal. I wouldn't choose to vote anyone else happily.
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Post by Al on Apr 19, 2017 7:59:57 GMT
June will be the end of May
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 19, 2017 8:16:43 GMT
June will be the end of May Clever. Utter rubbish but clever.
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Post by Al on Apr 19, 2017 8:23:51 GMT
June will be the end of May Clever. Utter rubbish but clever. In your opinion it's utter rubbish, and in my opinion it isn't.
Interesting that May decides to call a General Election by the way when approx. 30 people are expected to be charged over the election expenses scandal.
Nothing like a GE to take the attention away from that is there hey? Oh and let's not forget the constant "there will be no GE until 2020" line she kept on spouting.
The woman is poison, get her out!
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 19, 2017 8:44:47 GMT
Clever. Utter rubbish but clever. In your opinion it's utter rubbish, and in my opinion it isn't.
Interesting that May decides to call a General Election by the way when approx. 30 people are expected to be charged over the election expenses scandal.
Nothing like a GE to take the attention away from that is there hey? Oh and let's not forget the constant "there will be no GE until 2020" line she kept on spouting.
The woman is poison, get her out!
In my opinion there's not a chance of her losing the next election. In my opinion it's nothing to do with what she is or isn't, does or doesn't and everything to do with a weak opposition. In my opinion this county will not vote in Jeremy and Abbott. In my opinion.
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 19, 2017 8:46:06 GMT
In your opinion it's utter rubbish, and in my opinion it isn't.
Interesting that May decides to call a General Election by the way when approx. 30 people are expected to be charged over the election expenses scandal.
Nothing like a GE to take the attention away from that is there hey? Oh and let's not forget the constant "there will be no GE until 2020" line she kept on spouting.
The woman is poison, get her out!
In my opinion there's not a chance of her losing the next election. In my opinion it's nothing to do with what she is or isn't, does or doesn't and everything to do with a weak opposition. In my opinion this county will not vote in Jeremy and Abbott. In my opinion. And I still think your comment was clever.
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Post by Al on Apr 19, 2017 8:49:07 GMT
In your opinion it's utter rubbish, and in my opinion it isn't.
Interesting that May decides to call a General Election by the way when approx. 30 people are expected to be charged over the election expenses scandal.
Nothing like a GE to take the attention away from that is there hey? Oh and let's not forget the constant "there will be no GE until 2020" line she kept on spouting.
The woman is poison, get her out!
In my opinion there's not a chance of her losing the next election. In my opinion it's nothing to do with what she is or isn't, does or doesn't and everything to do with a weak opposition. In my opinion this county will not vote in Jeremy and Abbott. In my opinion. Care to make any comment on the expected charges over Election Expenses Scandal?
Or her continuous U-Turns?
Or her planned destruction of the NHS and Education system?
I think you take too much stock in the Polls. One official poll says they're ahead, I've seen others which give Labour approx. 60% of the vote (over 32,600 took part in this Poll btw).
Hopefully May will get a good kicking.
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Post by ted the count on Apr 19, 2017 9:11:59 GMT
I think you both have valid point's! Derry Blue is right - May cant lose - it's a one horse race(which is why she's doing it,along with the deflection tactic's i mentioned above)
I'm firmly on your side Al,agree with all your point's BUT there is no opposition. Only way to go here in this marginal would be to look very closely and make sure to vote tactically.....but screw it 8th June i'm gonna go camp in the hill's and let all this shat blow over...sick of em all tbh.
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Post by Al on Apr 19, 2017 9:42:42 GMT
Chester was decided by 93 votes last time. You need to vote.
Of course there is an opposition. Don't listen to the Mainstream Media telling you there isn't one, or the polls (run by a Tory) saying the party has a massive lead. it's all bollocks.
When the 8th June comes around cast your vote. Whoever you vote for, make it count and get them out!
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 19, 2017 9:59:21 GMT
In my opinion .... Every vote that stops Jeremy Corbyn becoming prime minister is important. So come on all you who want a non-Labour (no that's not quite right, a non-Corbyn ) government, get out and vote on the day.
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Post by Al on Apr 19, 2017 10:12:08 GMT
If you don't want your children to have a decent education, or your wife/partner/yourself to get that treatment you need asap that could save your/a loved ones life at an NHS ran Hospital, or you don't mind people using foodbanks to feed them/their families, or the fact that your kids can't get any other job than a zero hours contract due to the lack of a quality Education, or if you have no soul, then by all means vote for the lying conniving, Tory Millionaire playboys.
If you actually care about people, about your childs future, about the NHS, about their Education, about their future job prospects, about their ability to buy a home for them and their own family, then don't vote for the Tory Party.
#MakeJuneTheEndofMay
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 19, 2017 10:48:23 GMT
All this talk about 'crushing saboteurs' is reminiscent of 1984 and is something I never thought I'd see in UK politics. May won the Article 50 vote by 498 votes to 114 so I don't see why she feels her Brexit strategy is in danger. To me the choices are simple: a fair and just society with opportunities for all, decent wages and an NHS to be proud of or a low wage, low opportunity tax haven with the continued controlled demolition of public services . The whole Brexit stuff is just a smokescreen to hide the Tories' nefarious activities.
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Post by bluesince72 on Apr 19, 2017 14:46:41 GMT
GE17 is Brexit Ref Part Two.
We voted to choose between Remain/Leave, now we must vote on Hard/Soft Brexit. Those that say it does not matter need to go do some research, it matters a great deal.
There are only three possible outcomes to this election
1. Tory majority – Hard/clean Brexit – UK leaves Customs Union and EEA – joins WTO on a crazy fantasy Island project to become a worldwide trading nation, no doubt led by selling instruments of death to head chopping ,IS funding, Absolute Monarchies in Saudi and the Gulf. Becoming a tax haven and reducing Corporation Tax so low that the NHS/Social care and the welfare state can no longer be funded, that is austerity on stilts!
2. Tory/DUP coalition..With Ukip should any of those cretinous morons get elected. With the same result as above.
3. Labour/SNP/SDLP/PC/Green/Lib Dem coalition. Economic realism in charge, soft Brexit/Scottish Indy ref2/UK leaves EU but remains in Customs Union (Northern Ireland/Gibraltar land borders with the EU and if Customs Union is left chaos will ensue, as well as at our major ports/Airports) This avoids a fall off the economic cliff, a set of trade deals with EU far more likely as the bottom line is no longer immigration but the neolib EU rules regarding public sector funding of industry/public sector services, NHS etc.
Labour cannot win the election outright because New Labour betrayed its natural support base, and in Scotland, unlike in England, they have an alternative, the SNP. The fantasy Island incoherent nonsense of the Blairte ‘third way: Social democratic principles/values melded to neo classical economics could never work, it was gross stupidity, a logical contradiction, and sadly was tried across Europe with universally disastrous results for nominally Social democratic parties.
Yes, Corbyn lacks charisma, he does not think well on his feet during debates (though May is so gutless and incompetent that she wont join GE17 TV debates, and loses PMQs most weeks), and he seems laidback to a fault..BUT he stands for the true social democratic principles that have dominated the Labour Party policy agenda since the time of Keir Hardy, and those that challenge the coherence of Social democracy should remember two things, The post war consensus of managed capitalism (social democracy) worked better for the majority of citizens across the developed world than any other economic paradigm before or since. Its break down was part error part planning by those who stood to gain from a reversion to the pre WW2 status Quo anti. Secondly, globalisation is a political creation, its not a natural or irreversable phenomena, the 2007/8 crisis it caused has still not been resolved, a change has to come before we fall into the next financial chasm as extend and pretend eventually collapses.
I voted Leave, but I did not vote for a nationalist/xenophobic lemming like rush to the cliff a jump into a delusional nirvana, all i wanted was an exit from the Neoliberal treaties and to avoid the large mulinational trade deals/investor protection scams (CETA/TTIP), and a Soft Brexit would achieve that.
Vote for the party most likely to keep the Tories out, forget party allegiances this is too important, don’t give up because of negative corporate funded polls, and remember the Tories majority in 2015 was gained not from Labour, who they lost two seats to overall, it came from taking the majority of LibDems seats, and now judas Clegg has gone the LibDems will certainly win many of them back.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 19, 2017 15:26:35 GMT
Someone has actually put together a a list of who you should vote for in your constituency if you want the Tories out. It does feel like this election comes down to 'Tory' or 'someone else'. The majority want 'someone else' but they're unlikely to vote in a way that gets anyone else elected.
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Post by Jack on Apr 19, 2017 17:56:26 GMT
I work in primary schools, the cuts that are being made by 2020 are absolutely savage. Parents in many areas are being asked to set up direct debits to schools to afford basics like books, pencils and pens. Many are genuinely looking at moving to 4/4.5 days a week unless there is a U-turn (A lot of people assume this is sensationalised nonsense, but I've spoken to at least 3 heads who have said it's one of their options moving forward).
I can only presume this level of austerity is being applied to the NHS, Police Force, Social Care etc. The Conservative Party are a disease. Sadly, I've no doubt they'll stroll to power, especially with the prominence of the SNP.
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Post by Ian H Block on Apr 19, 2017 18:58:43 GMT
I work in primary schools, the cuts that are being made by 2020 are absolutely savage. Parents in many areas are being asked to set up direct debits to schools to afford basics like books, pencils and pens. Many are genuinely looking at moving to 4/4.5 days a week unless there is a U-turn (A lot of people assume this is sensationalised nonsense, but I've spoken to at least 3 heads who have said it's one of their options moving forward). I can only presume this level of austerity is being applied to the NHS, Police Force, Social Care etc. The Conservative Party are a disease. Sadly, I've no doubt they'll stroll to power, especially with the prominence of the SNP. The trouble is, as long as cuts don't affect the narrow self-interests of Tory voters, they don't give a shit. I've tried appealing to their better nature, but unfortunately they don't have one. Theresa May, roared on by the Tory press will hide away for the next 7 weeks, only to appear at carefully stage-managed media events wrapped in the Union Jack and the electorate will love it. It's all very depressing.
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Post by ted the count on Apr 19, 2017 19:46:40 GMT
I raised the same point's that Jack made about school's a while ago to people and i was told it was just scaremongering! 2 teacher's in Warrington and Hereford had told me of such cut's but the brexiteer's only seem to care about is that they will get THEIR country back HAHAHAHA...yeah good luck with that one.Getting .... all back off the nasty party yeah right!....just tell em their all going to be sovereign again and they'll be peeing themselves with delight when the reality is it is just word's..empty fecking word's whilst the nasty party shaft us all further. Any/all other issue's seem not to matter anymore and it's a crying shame.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Apr 19, 2017 21:05:30 GMT
Genuinely cannot fathom how some people can support a social democratic football club yet be so anti-Corbyn. Very strange.
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Post by Big Sigh on Apr 19, 2017 22:50:40 GMT
A social demographic football club that doesn't sympathise with the IRA
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Apr 20, 2017 0:12:47 GMT
A social demographic football club that doesn't sympathise with the IRA If you believe this "Big Sigh" then I'm sure you'll agree that Theresa May's dealings with Saudi Arabia not forgetting Liam Fox's desperate dash to the Philippines for trade mean the Conservatives are unelectable. Wouldn't want you to be a hypocrite now.
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Post by Derry Blue on Apr 20, 2017 7:06:08 GMT
A social demographic football club that doesn't sympathise with the IRA If you believe this "Big Sigh" then I'm sure you'll agree that Theresa May's dealings with Saudi Arabia not forgetting Liam Fox's desperate dash to the Philippines for trade mean the Conservatives are unelectable. Wouldn't want you to be a hypocrite now. I don't even understand your point.
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Post by Al on Apr 20, 2017 7:53:03 GMT
If you believe this "Big Sigh" then I'm sure you'll agree that Theresa May's dealings with Saudi Arabia not forgetting Liam Fox's desperate dash to the Philippines for trade mean the Conservatives are unelectable. Wouldn't want you to be a hypocrite now. I don't even understand your point. I think you know perfectly what his point is.
Selling arms to the Saudi's who in turn bomb Yemen, who also supply our own arms to IS and other factions in the Middle East, in Syria, and Iraq to destabilise the region. If those oil producing nations are destabilised they cannot produce oil, if they can't produce oil then we have to buy it off the Saudi's and then then in turn get richer for it.
Who are the real 'Terrorist Sympathisers'?
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Apr 20, 2017 7:55:32 GMT
If you believe this "Big Sigh" then I'm sure you'll agree that Theresa May's dealings with Saudi Arabia not forgetting Liam Fox's desperate dash to the Philippines for trade mean the Conservatives are unelectable. Wouldn't want you to be a hypocrite now. I don't even understand your point. Well if someone is going to be anti-Corbyn for being a "IRA sympathizer" as "Big Sigh" wrote then I'll be anti-Conservatives considering their dealings with one of the most abusive countries in the world (Saudi Arabia) and attempts to cosy up to Duterte in the Philippines.
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Post by Neil Fishers Biggest Fan on Apr 20, 2017 14:39:54 GMT
May is going to smash the oiks.
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Post by Pseudoscally on Apr 21, 2017 6:15:17 GMT
Could JC really pull off the unthinkable? I can believe that the polls are way of the mark and even fixed in some way but are they really that far out?
People question his strength and leadership? I know of not one politician who wouldn't have resigned by now with all the attacks from the media and even his own party. He just keeps shrugging it off and carrying on with his devout principled conviction. I admire that. He has Westminster scared shitless, on both sides of the house and I hope he can do the unthinkable.
People say he has no personality? Do people really use this as a basis of where to put their X on the ballot paper? And are they seriously telling me the Theresa May has more of a personality than Corbyn? JC inspires people with every speech he makes. He inspires people to take to the streets and to get involved in politics; people who've never done so before because they really do believe that he is different from the rest.
I don't support 100% of Corbyn's policies but there again I couldn't name a politician in history that I did. On balance though I know what I'm going to get with JC, a genuinely principled and honest politician who will shake up Westminster and change it in favour of the majority of people in this country. He's correct in what he said yesterday; tax avoiding and unscrupulous companies should be very worried and hope for a Tory victory.
My fear is that the division in his own party, and the feeling that some Labour MP's don't want him to win this election at all will be his downfall and that will be a crying shame as we have at last, in a General Election, a real choice.
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