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Post by soulseal on May 22, 2017 13:04:59 GMT
It has been very interesting reading this forum. Corbyn is clearly popular amongst the socialist leaning voters, but nowhere near enough the middle ground to win the majority vote and be elected. May will win because she is seen by many as strong ahead of the upcoming Brexit negotiations. Lib Dems still unsupported following their time in government and having lost so many of their voters to the u-turn in university fees. Fior me I am still very angry with the Brexit referendum, done for internal Tory politicking with a disasterous referendum question. We don't want to stay but have no idea where we want to go. I can only vote Lib Dem because of this. A futile vote now that I live in Rushcliffe, Nottingham in terms of backing a winner, but still the vote for me because they offer a vote on the outcome of the negotiations. I cannot vote for Corbyn. He frightens me to be honest. He has more interest in the plight of the Palestinians than in the UK or the UK working man. I think May is the best politician in the Tory party, but she's only up against idiots such as Johnson. A strong leader in a 'war' I don't want. God helps us as a country once we leave the EU and the other countries turn their backs on us. This is going to be a very nasty divorce. Hahaha "May is seen as strong" The only person who see's her as 'strong' is herself. She is quite clearly neither. More interest with Palestine than 'the working man?' Complete nonsense. Trade unions will have a better hand under Labour to better represent workers rights and get a better deal for us. On minimum wage? That'll go up to £10p/h by 2020. More money in your pocket. Can't afford it? Everything has been costed on their manifesto. Nationalising the railways will cost little to nothing by the way as the government can just wait for the lease to expire then bring it back into public ownership at no cost. Raising of corporation tax back to 28% and the rise in income tax to 45p at £80,000 and 50p at £125,000 will raise the money they need to fund the education and health services. Get your head out of those newspapers and start thinking for yourself mate Schydyn Blue quite reasonably asked me why Corbin frightens me (as a prospective Prime Minister that is). You on the other hand have taken the view that I must be wrong as I differ in views from you and elaborate your argument with abuse. Will I get a brick through my window as well?
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Post by bluesince72 on May 22, 2017 13:08:45 GMT
Well well well Mrs 'Strong and Stable' has revealed her true colours! The person who wishes to sit opposite hardened EU negotiators in complex and fractious Brexit talks, cannot even keep her composure and explain her own policies, or keep her nerve when a policy, the dementia tax, goes down like a lead balloon. If she loses her cool on this, how can we trust her when the pressure is on in Brussels?
Negotiators have to have a firm grip on economic data, on detailed costs and benefits. How can we trust her with any of this when she has not even costed her own parties manifesto pledges? She can deliver a competent speech with the aid of an autocue, but is clearly unable to think on her feet, today's performance broadcast across the nation on BBC news was shambolic but enlightening. She is a perfect example of the Peter Principle, that people tend to 'rise in the hierarchy through promotion until they reach the levels of their respective incompetence.'
As for Corbyn lacking the 'common touch', have you seen the reception he is getting everywhere he goes? Even at a rock concert full of young people at a non political event. Contrast this with May, a woman who is socially awkward and clearly out of her comfort zone in any potential 'conflict' situation, where there is any chance of debating with the electorate.
The claim that the Labour manifesto is too left wing is a MSM meme, that would only be true if we were to accept the premises of extreme mainstream neo classical economics which are demonstratably incoherant. It would surprise, even shock, many to see how much it simplified and divorced from reality the classical models of Adam Smith et al-
Labour have returned to its traditional(pre New Labour) social democratic roots. To make this clearer, Social democracy aims at democratic control of a mixed economy in the interests of ordinary people, this aim can be expressed in one word, security!
Economic policy since 1979 has been designed to promote financial interests, its doctrines central aim is to reduce the scope of democracy, to make the workings of the 'market' broadly out of bounds, an area that they claim should coordinate itself. That is anarchic, unstable by definition and leads to outcomes that can also be summed up in one word, insecurity. Insecurity for the vast majority, but not for the corporate elites.
The momentum in this election is with the man of the people, as the public see that the straw man portrayed in MSM does not exist, but instead that he is a decent principled human being that is on the side of the 95%. That Corbyn is getting traction is made clear when the Tories, the BBC, and the rest of the establishment mouthpeices resort to panic induced ad hominem attacks on his charater. It was Margret Thatcher that said, 'if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.'
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Post by Al on May 22, 2017 14:19:55 GMT
Hahaha "May is seen as strong" The only person who see's her as 'strong' is herself. She is quite clearly neither. More interest with Palestine than 'the working man?' Complete nonsense. Trade unions will have a better hand under Labour to better represent workers rights and get a better deal for us. On minimum wage? That'll go up to £10p/h by 2020. More money in your pocket. Can't afford it? Everything has been costed on their manifesto. Nationalising the railways will cost little to nothing by the way as the government can just wait for the lease to expire then bring it back into public ownership at no cost. Raising of corporation tax back to 28% and the rise in income tax to 45p at £80,000 and 50p at £125,000 will raise the money they need to fund the education and health services. Get your head out of those newspapers and start thinking for yourself mate Schydyn Blue quite reasonably asked me why Corbin frightens me (as a prospective Prime Minister that is). You on the other hand have taken the view that I must be wrong as I differ in views from you and elaborate your argument with abuse. Will I get a brick through my window as well?Not at all. You are the one who mentioned May and 'Strong' in the same sentence. I think she's proven (yet again today) that she is anything BUT..
You call that abuse? Dear oh dear
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Post by Hannibal on May 22, 2017 17:14:26 GMT
Tories have definitely shot themselves in the foot with this "dementia tax". You know they're in trouble when you see one of their candidates refuse to answer questions and slam a door in a reporters face. Just love it. You may know I'm not a fan of Corbyn, but anything is better than 5 more years of these anti-working class scum.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on May 22, 2017 20:32:21 GMT
Strong and stable. Weak and wobbly more like. lol. And it was all going so well, until they published the manifesto. Looks like Labour has halved the Tory lead, in a week and is surging, in Wales and amongst the young. Tactical voting needs to encouraged, in the marginals and they may well have a fight, on their hands.
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 24, 2017 15:39:33 GMT
Anybody else find the whole soldiers walking the streets with guns during an active election campaign a bit unsettling? The terrible events of this week have played right into the Tory narrative just as they were being hammered.
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Post by marner93 on May 25, 2017 18:17:43 GMT
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 26, 2017 17:41:07 GMT
What a stunning Prime Ministerial speech by Jeremy Corbyn today. Who says this guy isn't a leader?
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Post by Lobster on May 27, 2017 7:32:58 GMT
Anybody else find the whole soldiers walking the streets with guns during an active election campaign a bit unsettling? The terrible events of this week have played right into the Tory narrative just as they were being hammered. I have to confess to being a little confused as to how giving police officers guns addresses the threat of suicide bombing.
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Post by Al on May 28, 2017 17:00:28 GMT
Labour close the gap to 5 points in the polls. 2 weeks to go, I think Labour have this in the bag. Tories are all over the shop and Fallon has just disgraced himself on national TV twice within 24hrs over the same thing!
You know things must be bad for the Tories when NFBF goes into hiding!!
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Post by jayhawks on May 28, 2017 21:51:18 GMT
Labour have got to keep that useless FART - Diane Abbott away from the spotlight and we might stand a chance.
She is a complete liability.
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Post by Hannibal on May 29, 2017 15:05:39 GMT
Labour have got to keep that useless FART - Diane Abbott away from the spotlight and we might stand a chance. . She is a complete liability.
You're right she is a liability. For God's sake keep her away from TV cameras I've thought that since she began appearing with The train Man 'Portillo'
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Post by bluesince72 on May 29, 2017 19:10:57 GMT
This is a much watch! In it May defends the Naylor Report in her recent TV humbling by Andrew Neil. So what you might think. Until the presenter explains that it is a plan to sell off all NHS land and buildings assets. Wittily presented, easy to follow, explaining that nothing in these plans are hidden, all easily Googled but absolutely shocking. Tory NHS privitisation is not a left wing meme, it is Tory policy, and you hear it straight out of May's own mouth!
But why has mainstream media not informed us of this threat?
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Post by Lobster on May 31, 2017 11:29:40 GMT
I know these opinion polls don't have a great recent track record, but one is now predicting a hung parliament
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Post by Firestick Frank on May 31, 2017 11:42:28 GMT
JC will be taking part in this evenings live TV debate alongside five other party leaders. Still no confirmation that Mayhem will be there though...
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Post by Lobster on May 31, 2017 18:15:25 GMT
JC will be taking part in this evenings live TV debate alongside five other party leaders. Still no confirmation that Mayhem will be there though... Nope, she's ducking out again.
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Post by Lobster on May 31, 2017 19:10:11 GMT
Truly awful showing from Amber Rudd so far. I would feel sorry for her if she wasn't a Tory!
SNP guy and Tim Farron probably coming across the best for me, even though Corbyn and Caroline Lucas are the ones I most relate to.
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Post by Hannibal on May 31, 2017 20:47:54 GMT
Truly awful showing from Amber Rudd so far. I would feel sorry for her if she wasn't a Tory! SNP guy and Tim Farron probably coming across the best for me, even though Corbyn and Caroline Lucas are the ones I most relate to. Isn't Rudd a hedge fund millionairess, who's doing this (badly) because she doesn't need to earn a living.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 1, 2017 4:59:16 GMT
Truly awful showing from Amber Rudd so far. I would feel sorry for her if she wasn't a Tory! SNP guy and Tim Farron probably coming across the best for me, even though Corbyn and Caroline Lucas are the ones I most relate to. Isn't Rudd a hedge fund millionairess, who's doing this (badly) because she doesn't need to earn a living. I've since read that she lost her father on Monday, so some credit to her for being there at all, especially since she was filling in for her cowardly leader. Shows how cold and self-centred May is really. As shown by the post-Brexit behaviour of the likes of Gove and Johnson, the Tories seem to have no problem with s**tting on each other, so no surprise that they're quite happy to do it to the general public.
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Post by Maravilla on Jun 5, 2017 18:03:29 GMT
This is a much watch! In it May defends the Naylor Report in her recent TV humbling by Andrew Neil. So what you might think. Until the presenter explains that it is a plan to sell off all NHS land and buildings assets.Wittily presented, easy to follow, explaining that nothing in these plans are hidden, all easily Googled but absolutely shocking. Tory NHS privitisation is not a left wing meme, it is Tory policy, and you hear it straight out of May's own mouth! But why has mainstream media not informed us of this threat? www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/countess-chester-hospital-lodges-plans-12926560Happening at the Countess.
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Post by Lobster on Jun 5, 2017 22:59:49 GMT
Labour have got to keep that useless FART - Diane Abbott away from the spotlight and we might stand a chance. . She is a complete liability.
You're right she is a liability. For God's sake keep her away from TV cameras I've thought that since she began appearing with The train Man 'Portillo' Pretty awful showing from her on Sky News tonight unfortunately.
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Post by Hannibal on Jun 6, 2017 6:50:43 GMT
This is a much watch! In it May defends the Naylor Report in her recent TV humbling by Andrew Neil. So what you might think. Until the presenter explains that it is a plan to sell off all NHS land and buildings assets.Wittily presented, easy to follow, explaining that nothing in these plans are hidden, all easily Googled but absolutely shocking. Tory NHS privitisation is not a left wing meme, it is Tory policy, and you hear it straight out of May's own mouth! But why has mainstream media not informed us of this threat? www.chesterchronicle.co.uk/news/chester-cheshire-news/countess-chester-hospital-lodges-plans-12926560Happening at the Countess. I received this news in a Facebook message from a friend in London last week. Why isn't it being shouted from the rooftops. Problem is that once it's done it will be impossible to reverse. I wonder what NFBF thinks. I doubt that he has an answer to this heinous act that he Tories will implement to go with all the other sins they've committed to the NHS.
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Post by midfieldgeneral on Jun 6, 2017 12:03:19 GMT
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Post by Al on Jun 6, 2017 14:27:49 GMT
The continued silence from NFBF speaks volumes.
May is a walking, talking disaster. The Tory campaign and manifesto has been a disaster and it now looks like people are waking up to it at long last.
They have taken the electorate for a bunch of mugs thinking they would walk it because their advisors and friends in the right wing media told them it would be a walk over. It has been anything but.
I think whatever happens in a couple of days May's days as PM are numbered, the knives will be well and truly out for her to blow such a massive lead in the polls after leading such a negative and spite filled campaign.
I just hope you all exercise your rights to vote on the day. Even if you don't like Labour make sure you keep the Tories out of Chester!
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Post by Lobster on Jun 6, 2017 17:58:40 GMT
I genuinely don't think it's supposed to be ironic!
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jun 6, 2017 17:58:47 GMT
Just had a Tory leaflet posted through my letterbox, what a load of rubbish. #weakandwobbly
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Post by Lobster on Jun 6, 2017 18:02:36 GMT
Just had a Tory leaflet posted through my letterbox, what a load of rubbish. #weakandwobbly So did I, and it was actually addressed to me, strangely. No idea where they got my address from or why they think I'm a possible voter for them.
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Jun 6, 2017 21:32:12 GMT
Just had a Tory leaflet posted through my letterbox, what a load of rubbish. #weakandwobbly So did I, and it was actually addressed to me, strangely. No idea where they got my address from or why they think I'm a possible voter for them. Ditto. I've had a few leaflets delivered too....not sure if it was the Justin Madders garden sign, 2 window stickers or 4 Labour car stickers that led them to think their leaflet wouldn't end up being used as bog roll.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Jun 8, 2017 6:18:09 GMT
Big day today. Get voting labour!
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Post by paulie on Jun 8, 2017 8:45:06 GMT
Voted today. Labour it is!
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