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Post by MPW on May 4, 2017 20:45:41 GMT
I was happy with the signings on Tuesday, but have to admit that I'm concerned with the signings of Joyce, Horwood, Bell and even more so if George, Marsh and Dawson are kept on! With Jon saying he wanted smaller squad, it wouldn't leave much room for many more signings. Let's hope we get a few inspired NEW signings! Dawson is a good player. Marsh is not staying. Their are very few free agents available at the moment as the bulk will be released when the transfer window opens at the start of June, this is when we will see some more movement and new signings imo. Good to get some established players signed up at the moment though. Jon knows our current players have many will provide good back up. What makes you think Dawson is a good player? He's had more yellow cards and misplaced passes per game than anyone I've seen before. |
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Post by chesterblue1970 on May 4, 2017 20:53:34 GMT
dmcnally how do you know marsh is not staying ?
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Post by franksalot on May 4, 2017 21:22:16 GMT
Looking at it we defo need another decent CB + cover , both full backs and at least 1 or 2 strong / hard CM. So hopefully some money has been saved with some of these signings so far !! without thinking what we may get for Sam Hughes , and using a couple of loans , because if not we are pinning our hopes on youngsters and far more worryingly players who have been struggling with long term injuries !! Im sure there's more to come it's early days so.......Prove me wrong please . I sincerely hope you can and do
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Post by dmcnally on May 4, 2017 21:29:07 GMT
dmcnally how do you know marsh is not staying ? Spoke to Dave Powell, who believes everyone has been offered a contract except Marsh. |
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Post by Frustrated on May 4, 2017 21:46:57 GMT
dmcnally how do you know marsh is not staying ? Spoke to Dave Powell, who believes everyone has been offered a contract except Marsh. Well that must be fact then . |
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Post by agl on May 4, 2017 22:25:39 GMT
Underwhelmed by both Joyce and Horwood. Some people seem to think it's OK to sign so called squad players. Would rather see players who are all competing for first 11 rather than back up. Doesn't exactly create competition. Joyce was the fall guy during our bad run but even taking that into account I don't see enough in him to warrant a new deal, irrespective of how cheap he may or may not be. Horwood seems to be heavily involved on the community side but the negative on the playing side is that he's not a good enough left back to provide cover.
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Post by dmcnally on May 4, 2017 22:26:52 GMT
Spoke to Dave Powell, who believes everyone has been offered a contract except Marsh. Well that must be fact then . Could you genuinely see Marsh staying? Absolutely no chance. The lad struggled against Hyde in the Cheshire Senior Cup. |
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Post by dmcnally on May 4, 2017 22:28:45 GMT
Underwhelmed by both Joyce and Horwood. Some people seem to think it's OK to sign so called squad players. Would rather see players who are all competing for first 11 rather than back up. Doesn't exactly create competition. Joyce was the fall guy during our bad run but even taking that into account I don't see enough in him to warrant a new deal, irrespective of how cheap he may or may not be. Horwood seems to be heavily involved on the community side but the negative on the playing side is that he's not a good enough left back to provide cover. Do you really think we hahe the budget to afford strength and quality in depth? Absolutely not. And Horwood isn't a left back, he's been a pretty decent left winger when he's played and a useful coach in training too! Also an experienced head in a young team, something many people have called for. |
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Post by Anders on May 4, 2017 23:17:49 GMT
I think we need to be patient, the season hasn’t been over a week yet and we’ve got people saying we’re in desperate need for this and that and claims we’re in some sort of financial turmoil because certain players have been released. Let’s wait and see before jumping the gun.
We’ve been very active this week, whereas some clubs haven’t even woken up yet. I very briefly spoke to McCarthy on Saturday night and although he didn’t give much away, the gist of what he said was that the quality of the starting XI needed to improve, so I’m not surprised to see a lot of the current squad/fringe players being retained whilst regular starters have left. There also appeared to be a bit more of an acknowledgment of how poor it’s been in recent months, certainly more than he’s been letting on in the press anyway. But that's just me reading between the lines.
Reality is we need to wait and see, White for Richards seems like a good start to me whilst Bell as an apparent third option looks an improvement than the no third option we appeared to try and get away with for most of last season.
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Post by Newted on May 4, 2017 23:36:07 GMT
I'm waiting for the 'positive' news we were promised this week re finances from the CEO!!!
Is it still in the pipeline....
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Post by Lobster on May 4, 2017 23:43:55 GMT
I think we need to be patient, the season hasn’t been over a week yet and we’ve got people saying we’re in desperate need for this and that and claims we’re in some sort of financial turmoil because certain players have been released. Let’s wait and see before jumping the gun. We’ve been very active this week, whereas some clubs haven’t even woken up yet. I very briefly spoke to McCarthy on Saturday night and although he didn’t give much away, the gist of what he said was that the quality of the starting XI needed to improve, so I’m not surprised to see a lot of the current squad/fringe players being retained whilst regular starters have left. There also appeared to be a bit more of an acknowledgment of how poor it’s been in recent months, certainly more than he’s been letting on in the press anyway. But that's just me reading between the lines. Reality is we need to wait and see, White for Richards seems like a good start to me whilst Bell as an apparent third option looks an improvement than the no third option we appeared to try and get away with for most of last season. Pretty much agree with this. Our biggest fear was that everyone was just going to get a new contract. Seemingly that's not happening and we are adding new players. I have my doubts. I'm not at all convinced that the solution to the inexperience in the dugout is to give Tom Shaw, a player who should be one of the first names on the team sheet, the assistant manager's job. There will be plenty more I agree and disagree with over the summer I'm sure, but at least things are happening. |
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Post by sqzl on May 5, 2017 7:28:21 GMT
I think we need to be patient, the season hasn’t been over a week yet and we’ve got people saying we’re in desperate need for this and that and claims we’re in some sort of financial turmoil because certain players have been released. Let’s wait and see before jumping the gun. We’ve been very active this week, whereas some clubs haven’t even woken up yet. I very briefly spoke to McCarthy on Saturday night and although he didn’t give much away, the gist of what he said was that the quality of the starting XI needed to improve, so I’m not surprised to see a lot of the current squad/fringe players being retained whilst regular starters have left. There also appeared to be a bit more of an acknowledgment of how poor it’s been in recent months, certainly more than he’s been letting on in the press anyway. But that's just me reading between the lines. Reality is we need to wait and see, White for Richards seems like a good start to me whilst Bell as an apparent third option looks an improvement than the no third option we appeared to try and get away with for most of last season. I totally agree, it's just stressful being a Chester fan, i think everyone is desperate for that Alabi replacement or a really marquee signing early to boost everyones confidence after a very disappointing second half to the season. The amount of calls clubs must get from agents of released young players, it must take time for JM to run the rule over them too. |
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Post by devavictrix on May 5, 2017 8:04:26 GMT
Underwhelmed by both Joyce and Horwood. Some people seem to think it's OK to sign so called squad players. Would rather see players who are all competing for first 11 rather than back up. Doesn't exactly create competition. Joyce was the fall guy during our bad run but even taking that into account I don't see enough in him to warrant a new deal, irrespective of how cheap he may or may not be. Horwood seems to be heavily involved on the community side but the negative on the playing side is that he's not a good enough left back to provide cover. Do you really think we hahe the budget to afford strength and quality in depth? Absolutely not. And Horwood isn't a left back, he's been a pretty decent left winger when he's played and a useful coach in training too! Also an experienced head in a young team, something many people have called for. It's a bit of a stretch to call Horwood a decent left winger in my opinion. His best performances have come when he's played on the left of midfield with Hunt at left back. That resulted in our left side looking really solid defensively but uninspiring going forward. |
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Post by Disgruntled on May 5, 2017 8:13:38 GMT
Underwhelmed by both Joyce and Horwood. Some people seem to think it's OK to sign so called squad players. Would rather see players who are all competing for first 11 rather than back up. Doesn't exactly create competition. Joyce was the fall guy during our bad run but even taking that into account I don't see enough in him to warrant a new deal, irrespective of how cheap he may or may not be. Horwood seems to be heavily involved on the community side but the negative on the playing side is that he's not a good enough left back to provide cover. Do you really think we hahe the budget to afford strength and quality in depth? Absolutely not. And Horwood isn't a left back, he's been a pretty decent left winger when he's played and a useful coach in training too! Also an experienced head in a young team, something many people have called for. Hes not fit to lace Iain Howards boots |
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Post by chesterken on May 5, 2017 9:25:15 GMT
Do you really think we hahe the budget to afford strength and quality in depth? Absolutely not. And Horwood isn't a left back, he's been a pretty decent left winger when he's played and a useful coach in training too! Also an experienced head in a young team, something many people have called for. Hes not fit to lace Iain Howards boots Lets get real Conferance North was a step up to far for Iain Howard |
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Post by chesterken on May 5, 2017 9:29:10 GMT
I think we need to be patient, the season hasn’t been over a week yet and we’ve got people saying we’re in desperate need for this and that and claims we’re in some sort of financial turmoil because certain players have been released. Let’s wait and see before jumping the gun. We’ve been very active this week, whereas some clubs haven’t even woken up yet. I very briefly spoke to McCarthy on Saturday night and although he didn’t give much away, the gist of what he said was that the quality of the starting XI needed to improve, so I’m not surprised to see a lot of the current squad/fringe players being retained whilst regular starters have left. There also appeared to be a bit more of an acknowledgment of how poor it’s been in recent months, certainly more than he’s been letting on in the press anyway. But that's just me reading between the lines. Reality is we need to wait and see, White for Richards seems like a good start to me whilst Bell as an apparent third option looks an improvement than the no third option we appeared to try and get away with for most of last season. I liked what I saw of Bell in the short time we had him, looks like the lad can play, Gateshead must think so too as they have retained him |
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Post by sqzl on May 5, 2017 9:49:34 GMT
I think we need to be patient, the season hasn’t been over a week yet and we’ve got people saying we’re in desperate need for this and that and claims we’re in some sort of financial turmoil because certain players have been released. Let’s wait and see before jumping the gun. We’ve been very active this week, whereas some clubs haven’t even woken up yet. I very briefly spoke to McCarthy on Saturday night and although he didn’t give much away, the gist of what he said was that the quality of the starting XI needed to improve, so I’m not surprised to see a lot of the current squad/fringe players being retained whilst regular starters have left. There also appeared to be a bit more of an acknowledgment of how poor it’s been in recent months, certainly more than he’s been letting on in the press anyway. But that's just me reading between the lines. Reality is we need to wait and see, White for Richards seems like a good start to me whilst Bell as an apparent third option looks an improvement than the no third option we appeared to try and get away with for most of last season. I liked what I saw of Bell in the short time we had him, looks like the lad can play, Gateshead must think so too as they have retained him Did they retain him? I thought he signed a two year deal last summer and was loaned out by Gateshead last season after spending much of it out the team? He still has a year left...i could be wrong? |
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Post by g1 on May 5, 2017 10:47:42 GMT
I liked what I saw of Bell in the short time we had him, looks like the lad can play, Gateshead must think so too as they have retained him Did they retain him? I thought he signed a two year deal last summer and was loaned out by Gateshead last season after spending much of it out the team? He still has a year left...i could be wrong? |
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Post by g1 on May 5, 2017 10:49:02 GMT
Did they retain him? I thought he signed a two year deal last summer and was loaned out by Gateshead last season after spending much of it out the team? He still has a year left...i could be wrong? not convinced by the bell signing but he's only on loan so if no good he can go bach |
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Post by mcseal on May 5, 2017 11:12:43 GMT
I liked what I saw of Bell in the short time we had him, looks like the lad can play, Gateshead must think so too as they have retained him Did they retain him? I thought he signed a two year deal last summer and was loaned out by Gateshead last season after spending much of it out the team? He still has a year left...i could be wrong? Yep, Bell is half way through a two year deal at Gateshead. It's hard not to come to the conclusion that they don't think he is good enough and they are loaning him out to mitigate their losses on him. |
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Post by sqzl on May 5, 2017 11:34:12 GMT
Did they retain him? I thought he signed a two year deal last summer and was loaned out by Gateshead last season after spending much of it out the team? He still has a year left...i could be wrong? Yep, Bell is half way through a two year deal at Gateshead. It's hard not to come to the conclusion that they don't think he is good enough and they are loaning him out to mitigate their losses on him. Obviously we don't know circumstances, but as we've signed him now, it seems strange to think we didn't make a move for him last season with only 1 fit striker...especially as he went out on a months loan to Alty.. |
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Post by agl on May 5, 2017 11:45:10 GMT
Underwhelmed by both Joyce and Horwood. Some people seem to think it's OK to sign so called squad players. Would rather see players who are all competing for first 11 rather than back up. Doesn't exactly create competition. Joyce was the fall guy during our bad run but even taking that into account I don't see enough in him to warrant a new deal, irrespective of how cheap he may or may not be. Horwood seems to be heavily involved on the community side but the negative on the playing side is that he's not a good enough left back to provide cover. Do you really think we hahe the budget to afford strength and quality in depth? Absolutely not. And Horwood isn't a left back, he's been a pretty decent left winger when he's played and a useful coach in training too! Also an experienced head in a young team, something many people have called for. I know we don't have the budget for strength in depth but it worries me that we are setting the bar very low by re signing Joyce and Horwood, even as so called back up. My point about Horwood was that he's a wing back (no way a left winger) who cannot play full back. So he doesn't offer the versatility to be back up. We know all about these two - why not freshen things up? |
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Post by sqzl on May 5, 2017 11:51:54 GMT
Do you really think we hahe the budget to afford strength and quality in depth? Absolutely not. And Horwood isn't a left back, he's been a pretty decent left winger when he's played and a useful coach in training too! Also an experienced head in a young team, something many people have called for. I know we don't have the budget for strength in depth but it worries me that we are setting the bar very low by re signing Joyce and Horwood, even as so called back up. My point about Horwood was that he's a wing back (no way a left winger) who cannot play full back. So he doesn't offer the versatility to be back up. We know all about these two - why not freshen things up? I'm more concerned about JM tactically than these two lads mentioned. We know Joyce can do an average job in the centre, but at right wing back where he made the mistake to lose us the game at Lincoln, among other poor performances in the position, it's a worry. I just hope JM has the sense to revert back to his 4-4-2, rather than try over complicating it and having players in various positions. |
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Post by TheTheremin on May 5, 2017 12:32:26 GMT
Underwhelmed by both Joyce and Horwood. Some people seem to think it's OK to sign so called squad players. Would rather see players who are all competing for first 11 rather than back up. Doesn't exactly create competition. Joyce was the fall guy during our bad run but even taking that into account I don't see enough in him to warrant a new deal, irrespective of how cheap he may or may not be. Horwood seems to be heavily involved on the community side but the negative on the playing side is that he's not a good enough left back to provide cover. Agree there is no strength in depth at the moment. We need something that resembles a first choice starting XI and we don't have that yet. Still plenty of recruitment to come, that should be obvious. |
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Post by Harry Lime on May 5, 2017 13:27:14 GMT
I suspect we might be playing more 3 5 2 next season.
Could George play there in a 3 with Astles and one other?
Horwood is fine as a wing back. Having a 3 in midfield helps us not getting out muscled, and we can then also have 2 upfront.
Difficult to see how Hunt, Hudson and Durrell would have fitted into that formation.
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Post by btb on May 5, 2017 13:39:06 GMT
I suspect we might be playing more 3 5 2 next season. Could George play there in a 3 with Astles and one other? Horwood is fine as a wing back. Having a 3 in midfield helps us not getting out muscled, and we can then also have 2 upfront. Difficult to see how Hunt, Hudson and Durrell would have fitted into that formation. If Arsene McCarthy insists on playing 3-5-2 we're doomed. Woking ripped us apart down the flanks and they were as bad as us. Just stick to 4-4-2. Keep it nice and rigid and make it hard for teams to break us down. Strangely enough, that's what we did during 'that run' of games. the tactics, formation and shape of the team in the final quarter of the season was a shambles, I'd go as far to say embarrassing at times. And the buck on that one stops with the manager I'm afraid. |
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Post by sqzl on May 5, 2017 13:40:14 GMT
I suspect we might be playing more 3 5 2 next season. Could George play there in a 3 with Astles and one other? Horwood is fine as a wing back. Having a 3 in midfield helps us not getting out muscled, and we can then also have 2 upfront. Difficult to see how Hunt, Hudson and Durrell would have fitted into that formation. Hunt would make a better wing back than Horwood IMO. Anyway he's gone now. I hate 3 at the back personally, we always struggle to ring decent wing backs that can play the role well. Right wing back we'd have Joyce getting ripped again. I think 4-4-2 is more understandable and adaptable for players albeit not as attacking perhaps. We leaked goals for fun 3-5-2 and we should learn from it. |
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Post by Disgruntled on May 5, 2017 14:30:18 GMT
Hes not fit to lace Iain Howards boots Lets get real Conferance North was a step up to far for Iain Howard I am perfectly capable of deciding what is real and what isnt .Howard wasnt given the chance and given what a poor judge of players Mr McCarthy is even he is no better a judge than you or i |
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Post by thevoice on May 6, 2017 19:41:08 GMT
Will Marsh and Joyce are north west counties standard at best got a feeling Joyce will be loaned out at Christmas
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Post by chesterken on May 6, 2017 20:31:44 GMT
Lets get real Conferance North was a step up to far for Iain Howard I am perfectly capable of deciding what is real and what isnt .Howard wasnt given the chance and given what a poor judge of players Mr McCarthy is even he is no better a judge than you or i He always played at a lower level once he left us he gradually went lower and lower does that not tell you something |
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