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Post by cityboy5705 on Oct 21, 2022 21:48:58 GMT
ok apologize for my penny mourdaunt comment but don't apologize for what I say about starmer who as director of public prosecution had the evidence about saville Roy hattersley Rotherham and never prosecuted I admire your job and I am sorry for what I said but you say sorry for accusing me of voting Brexit and Tory two things I have never done The allegations against Savile were dealt with by local police and a reviewing lawyer for the CPS. “ An official investigation commissioned later by Starmer criticised both prosecutors and police for their handling of the allegations.” Don’t listen to the media all the time. Actually do your research. I do apologize but starmer is not as good as people make out if he does win a general election which he will I think it is the best of a very bad bunch and that is a damning bad thing |
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 21, 2022 21:54:43 GMT
Just watching old Top of the Pops on BBC4 and M People were on with Movin On Up. Brilliant timing! great song that although did prefer the other m people song search for the hero didn't Liz play that song recently Listen to the Master Mix of One Night In Heaven 👌🏻 |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 21, 2022 22:01:00 GMT
The allegations against Savile were dealt with by local police and a reviewing lawyer for the CPS. “ An official investigation commissioned later by Starmer criticised both prosecutors and police for their handling of the allegations.” Don’t listen to the media all the time. Actually do your research. I do apologize but starmer is not as good as people make out if he does win a general election which he will I think it is the best of a very bad bunch and that is a damning bad thing I don't think I've really heard anyone say they think Starmer is that great. There's just no other realistic way to get them out. |
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Post by Deva Chanter on Oct 22, 2022 12:16:33 GMT
Need Labour to win a clear majority and then they implement a FPTP voting system. The tories would be dead and buried for a generation. Would also give rise to some of the other fringe parties in the house of commons, most notably (from the left perspective) the Greens. Starmer will not implement proportional representation if he wins a big majority - why would he? Also, most of the people who want PR only want it as a means of getting rid of the Tories. Once that happens, probably at the next general election, most of them will stop caring about it I suspect. The only realistic chance of PR I can see is if Labour require Liberal Democrat support to get a majority. |
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Post by Lobster on Oct 22, 2022 12:38:53 GMT
The maddest thing about the whole Boris Johnson thing is I sense that people on both sides of the argument have forgotten what he had to resign over. It wasn't Partygate, he survived that. It was a separate incident where he ignored sexual misconduct allegations against an MP and lied that he didn't know about them. I'm sure I read something in the week about ignoring such allegations becoming a criminal offence.
Bringing him back, among other things, would show we're a country that doesn't care about sexual misconduct allegations and thinks they can be shrugged off a few weeks later.
The stick some of us got for not "getting over" Brexit and Corbyn, and some idiots want this wrecking ball back in No. 10 just a few weeks after he left in disgrace. Jesus wept!
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Post by cameandabel on Oct 23, 2022 16:08:55 GMT
The calamities that surround Sarah Atherton serving Wrexham as MP have to be seen to be believed. Pledging her support now for Boris Johnson as she claims that’s what her constituents want.
I’ve very little sympathy for anyone who voted for her without thinking of the consequences and now regrets it.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 24, 2022 4:24:21 GMT
I'm calling it now, Boris Johnson will announce at around midday today that despite ruling himself out yesterday, he is actually running for PM after all. That's the way he does things.
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Post by lincolnexile on Oct 25, 2022 10:00:17 GMT
I know Starmer is adamant that he wants a General Election but does he really? Let's face it with everything that's going on with inflation, energy bills, pensions, etc... would anyone want to take the reins, or would it be better to let someone else put up with the flack then take over in a couple of years when hopefully things have bottomed out.
Let's face it the Tories aren't going to turn the economy around whatever happens, but would Labour be able to do any better in the current economic climate, or would we end up in the same shit, with Labour just blaming the Tories for the problems when they realise that the economy isn't fixable no matter what they do?
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Oct 25, 2022 12:07:54 GMT
Lol the Tories have tanked the economy themselves of course it’s fixable.
Do agree that this Labour won’t make much difference though, their interests are aligned with the Tories in terms of who they serve.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 26, 2022 6:30:58 GMT
It's bizarre that we now somehow have an MP who not even Conservative Party members voted for.
Although I did suspect that the only reason Truss got more votes than Sunak was because a lot of Tory Party members aren't keen on having a non-white PM. This bloke basically admits it.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 27, 2022 6:26:05 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-63405307A Labour MP of an Asian background has argued that Sunak being PM isn't a good thing for Asian representation in the UK, and has been instructed to delete it because it doesn't fit Starmer's line that it's "a great thing". I think that's terrible. Who are white men like Starmer to dictate to Asians what's good for them?
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Post by Lobster on Oct 31, 2022 20:31:26 GMT
Is Suella Braverman even a real person? I can't believe someone as ridiculous and unpleasant as her isn't just an actor playing a villain.
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Post by avfo on Oct 31, 2022 22:21:06 GMT
Is Suella Braverman even a real person? I can't believe someone as ridiculous and unpleasant as her isn't just an actor playing a villain. 'It is understood that there are currently around 4,000 people at the Kent facility, some of which have been there for more than a month, despite the facility having a capacity of just 1,600. Chief inspector of borders and immigration David Neal said he was left “speechless” by the “pretty wretched conditions” during a recent visit to the centre, telling the Common Home Affairs he saw families having to sleep on the floor in marquees for weeks at a time and that it was a “really dangerous situation”.' www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/unsafe-overcrowded-a-breach-humane-25400758 |
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 1, 2022 7:36:36 GMT
Is Suella Braverman even a real person? I can't believe someone as ridiculous and unpleasant as her isn't just an actor playing a villain. 'It is understood that there are currently around 4,000 people at the Kent facility, some of which have been there for more than a month, despite the facility having a capacity of just 1,600. Chief inspector of borders and immigration David Neal said he was left “speechless” by the “pretty wretched conditions” during a recent visit to the centre, telling the Common Home Affairs he saw families having to sleep on the floor in marquees for weeks at a time and that it was a “really dangerous situation”.' www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/unsafe-overcrowded-a-breach-humane-25400758They know what they are doing, all this stuff plays well with the Tory bigot electoral base. |
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Post by lincolnexile on Nov 1, 2022 12:37:03 GMT
Matt Hancock announced as a contestant on I'm A Celebrity. I'm guessing he's going to be eating a kangaroo penis or two before the end of the show. Be interesting to see him getting shit from the likes of Chris Moyles.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Nov 1, 2022 12:50:19 GMT
'It is understood that there are currently around 4,000 people at the Kent facility, some of which have been there for more than a month, despite the facility having a capacity of just 1,600. Chief inspector of borders and immigration David Neal said he was left “speechless” by the “pretty wretched conditions” during a recent visit to the centre, telling the Common Home Affairs he saw families having to sleep on the floor in marquees for weeks at a time and that it was a “really dangerous situation”.' www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/unsafe-overcrowded-a-breach-humane-25400758They know what they are doing, all this stuff plays well with the Tory bigot electoral base. I think you'll find it will play well to a large proportion of society, irrespective of how they vote. |
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 1, 2022 15:01:27 GMT
They know what they are doing, all this stuff plays well with the Tory bigot electoral base. I think you'll find it will play well to a large proportion of society, irrespective of how they vote. Disagree, it’s just a case that these voices are amplified by the right-wing media. They need to stoke the fires of division to distract from the fact that the Tories are the architects of everything that is rotten in society. Asylum seekers aren’t to blame for record NHS waiting lists, lack of adequate housing or the cost of living crisis, but if you read the Sun / Express / Mail / Telegraph you might be persuaded differently. I’m sure the majority of the people in this country are decent folk, it’s just that their voices are rarely heard as they don’t follow a right wing narrative. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 2, 2022 8:02:42 GMT
With Bolsanero out in Brazil and Trump only surviving one term (at least for now), it makes you think that while right-wing populist politics has surged worldwide, most countries have at least learned from their mistakes quickly. In the UK, we've persisted with an increasingly malevolent right-wing goverment for over a decade, and I'm still far from convinced they're going to lose the next election.
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Post by Lobster on Nov 2, 2022 15:42:21 GMT
I think you'll find it will play well to a large proportion of society, irrespective of how they vote. Disagree, it’s just a case that these voices are amplified by the right-wing media. They need to stoke the fires of division to distract from the fact that the Tories are the architects of everything that is rotten in society. Asylum seekers aren’t to blame for record NHS waiting lists, lack of adequate housing or the cost of living crisis, but if you read the Sun / Express / Mail / Telegraph you might be persuaded differently. I’m sure the majority of the people in this country are decent folk, it’s just that their voices are rarely heard as they don’t follow a right wing narrative. I'm not so sure. I made the mistake of watching a news report on YouTube yesterday and looking at the comments. It's depressing how many people seem to agree with her. I'm clinging on to the hope that it was bots commenting, as a lot of the comments seemed very similar.
I've just read that a man who runs a Muslim hiking group and appeared on Countryfile recently has been getting loads of racist abuse online. Why would that bother you so much? I just don't understand it.
Suella Braverman's rhetoric is reminiscent of that of the National Front, and if the PM and the Conservative Party won't condemn it, then personally I have no hesitation in saying we have a far-right government in this country. But I don't think it's just "right-wing people" who come out with these views. A lot of people who would express left-wing economic views identify with xenophobia. It's the politics of "me me me" basically and I see it as a low intelligence/poor education thing myself. They're the sort of people who would talk of being from the "University of Life", but often they seem to have led quite boring and insular lives.
But we're all a little bit like that whether we like to admit it or not. We gravitate towards people who look and act like we do. It probably sounds a very woolly solution, but I would like to see more done to get completely different people to talk and listen to each other. They might find that they're not actually that different and have a lot of the same concerns. But all you get is social media, where all you see is people's opinions and very little of their personality, so you just end up shouting at and hating people you've never met.
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Post by avfo on Nov 2, 2022 19:56:58 GMT
Disagree, it’s just a case that these voices are amplified by the right-wing media. They need to stoke the fires of division to distract from the fact that the Tories are the architects of everything that is rotten in society. Asylum seekers aren’t to blame for record NHS waiting lists, lack of adequate housing or the cost of living crisis, but if you read the Sun / Express / Mail / Telegraph you might be persuaded differently. I’m sure the majority of the people in this country are decent folk, it’s just that their voices are rarely heard as they don’t follow a right wing narrative. I'm not so sure. I made the mistake of watching a news report on YouTube yesterday and looking at the comments. It's depressing how many people seem to agree with her. I'm clinging on to the hope that it was bots commenting, as a lot of the comments seemed very similar.
I've just read that a man who runs a Muslim hiking group and appeared on Countryfile recently has been getting loads of racist abuse online. Why would that bother you so much? I just don't understand it.
Suella Braverman's rhetoric is reminiscent of that of the National Front, and if the PM and the Conservative Party won't condemn it, then personally I have no hesitation in saying we have a far-right government in this country. But I don't think it's just "right-wing people" who come out with these views. A lot of people who would express left-wing economic views identify with xenophobia. It's the politics of "me me me" basically and I see it as a low intelligence/poor education thing myself. They're the sort of people who would talk of being from the "University of Life", but often they seem to have led quite boring and insular lives.
But we're all a little bit like that whether we like to admit it or not. We gravitate towards people who look and act like we do. It probably sounds a very woolly solution, but I would like to see more done to get completely different people to talk and listen to each other. They might find that they're not actually that different and have a lot of the same concerns. But all you get is social media, where all you see is people's opinions and very little of their personality, so you just end up shouting at and hating people you've never met.
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Post by Ian H Block on Nov 3, 2022 9:30:15 GMT
Interesting poll here, apologies it’s from YouGov. Clearly there is a divide in attitudes along political lines. Obviously if you surround yourself with Tories you imagine most people use the same language of division and hatred. No doubt such people would imagine unenlightened attitudes are universal.  |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 3, 2022 12:53:14 GMT
Interesting poll here, apologies it’s from YouGov. Clearly there is a divide in attitudes along political lines. Obviously if you surround yourself with Tories you imagine most people use the same language of division and hatred. No doubt such people would imagine unenlightened attitudes are universal. View AttachmentShows how polarised we are, but what intrigues me is that 13% (more than one in eight) say they don't know. Is it that they can't make their minds up, think they don't have the knowledge to answer the question, don't understand the question, want to abstain or just don't care? It would be interesting to break down the "don't knows" as these are the people who swing elections. |
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Post by avfo on Nov 4, 2022 19:16:13 GMT
Braverman disembarking a RAF Chinook helicopter at Manston airfield, 3 November 2022 -  No surprise to see that the hack from the BBC was on-message - BBC Political Reporter for Kent on BBC news yesterday morning - " This is one of the places where the Home Secretary will come to see for herself exactly how the UK is defending itself on the front line against migrants". Same reporter, same day - 'News: Residents at Aycliffe tell me of having to defend themselves against several migrant beach landings. They say until recently it wasn't taken as seriously. One resident telling me they had to defend their property from being broken into and now sleep with a hammer'. |
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Post by Lobster on Nov 5, 2022 14:24:00 GMT
I think the people in those migrant centres have suffered enough without that appalling shitstain calling in on them.
Obscene gesture to turn up in an RAF helicopter. Up there with Trump clearing police brutality protesters so he could pose holding a bible.
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Post by Frank Owen’s Paintbrush on Nov 5, 2022 18:09:01 GMT
I think the people in those migrant centres have suffered enough without that appalling shitstain calling in on them. Obscene gesture to turn up in an RAF helicopter. Up there with Trump clearing police brutality protesters so he could pose holding a bible. Wasn’t it like a two minute journey too? |
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Post by cityboy5705 on Nov 10, 2022 8:53:46 GMT
I see that little weasel Hancock is in the jungle words fail me
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Post by Lobster on Nov 10, 2022 12:50:33 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-63573988Another Brexit-supporting prat realising it's affecting his business and it's "not the Brexit he wanted". Maybe you should have thought about which party and politicians you had elected to deliver it then? I've always said I don't believe Brexit has to be a disaster and in the right hands it could even have progressive elements, but under this lot? No chance!
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Post by iandychesterfc on Nov 15, 2022 13:34:39 GMT
They cant find an answer to Northern Ireland that isnt a sea border.
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Post by iandychesterfc on Nov 15, 2022 13:42:16 GMT
Disagree, it’s just a case that these voices are amplified by the right-wing media. They need to stoke the fires of division to distract from the fact that the Tories are the architects of everything that is rotten in society. Asylum seekers aren’t to blame for record NHS waiting lists, lack of adequate housing or the cost of living crisis, but if you read the Sun / Express / Mail / Telegraph you might be persuaded differently. I’m sure the majority of the people in this country are decent folk, it’s just that their voices are rarely heard as they don’t follow a right wing narrative. I'm not so sure. I made the mistake of watching a news report on YouTube yesterday and looking at the comments. It's depressing how many people seem to agree with her. I'm clinging on to the hope that it was bots commenting, as a lot of the comments seemed very similar.
I've just read that a man who runs a Muslim hiking group and appeared on Countryfile recently has been getting loads of racist abuse online. Why would that bother you so much? I just don't understand it.
Suella Braverman's rhetoric is reminiscent of that of the National Front, and if the PM and the Conservative Party won't condemn it, then personally I have no hesitation in saying we have a far-right government in this country. But I don't think it's just "right-wing people" who come out with these views. A lot of people who would express left-wing economic views identify with xenophobia. It's the politics of "me me me" basically and I see it as a low intelligence/poor education thing myself. They're the sort of people who would talk of being from the "University of Life", but often they seem to have led quite boring and insular lives.
But we're all a little bit like that whether we like to admit it or not. We gravitate towards people who look and act like we do. It probably sounds a very woolly solution, but I would like to see more done to get completely different people to talk and listen to each other. They might find that they're not actually that different and have a lot of the same concerns. But all you get is social media, where all you see is people's opinions and very little of their personality, so you just end up shouting at and hating people you've never met.
Under Blair’s Labour government, Britain’s economic immigration policy went from a highly restrictive approach to one of the most expansive in Europe.Work permit criteria were relaxed, the number of international students was doubled, the government expanded existing low and high-skilled migrant worker schemes and launched new ones and, from 2005, initiated a new points-based immigration system. Overshadowing these important reforms was the 2004 decision to allow citizens of eight countries that were about to join the EU the immediate right to work in Britain. This decision alone resulted in one of the largest migration flows in Britain’s peacetime history. Put into historical context, Labour’s reforms were an unprecedented policy reversal. With 2.5m foreign-born workers added to the population since 1997 and net migration averaging 200,000 per year between 1997 and 2010 – five times higher than under the previous administration government of 1990-1996 – immigration under Labour quite literally changed the face of Britain. I don't want this to be a Tory/Labour debate as i'm not interested in that. What i'm saying is we have a Island mentality, an identity that certainly those in working class are extremely proud of and the face of their country started to change rapidly. We joke about Wrexhamski, but there was a huge increase in race-related crimes in the early 2000s, indeed a huge riot in the park i'm sure most are aware of. No-one would have called Wrexham Tory in those years, irrespective of the current incumbent. |
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Post by iandychesterfc on Nov 15, 2022 13:48:37 GMT
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