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Post by Curva Nord on Dec 22, 2022 11:11:49 GMT
Still comes back to one thing.....you either get Tory or Labour in charge so you vote for which one you'd prefer (or not vote at all). Surely most will be opting for Labour regardless of their views on Starmer, otherwise by voting for someone else you are effectively voting in Tory so don't bother moaning about them if that happens at the next election đ¤ˇââď¸ I' m looking forward to the 200 page thread on it between four different posters.
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Dec 22, 2022 11:27:49 GMT
Still comes back to one thing.....you either get Tory or Labour in charge so you vote for which one you'd prefer (or not vote at all). Surely most will be opting for Labour regardless of their views on Starmer, otherwise by voting for someone else you are effectively voting in Tory so don't bother moaning about them if that happens at the next election đ¤ˇââď¸ Iâll be voting for the party that most closely aligns with my political leanings. Currently it isnât either of the two you mentioned.
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Post by Curva Nord on Dec 22, 2022 13:12:51 GMT
Four more years of Tory rule it seems then.
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Dec 22, 2022 13:53:47 GMT
Four more years of Tory rule it seems then. Tory, or Red Tory. Wouldnât make much difference would it? Didnât realise it all hinged on my vote either!
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Post by Curva Nord on Dec 22, 2022 15:39:59 GMT
Never said it did. However if people vote like how you will, we'll all be stuck with Tory.
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Dec 22, 2022 16:19:09 GMT
Is that not Labourâs fault for not providing me and others like me with a reason to vote for them?
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Post by Curva Nord on Dec 22, 2022 18:11:11 GMT
Not a lot can be done as all that will happen is a split between the votes and another easy Tory win
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Post by Si on Dec 22, 2022 23:03:38 GMT
Still comes back to one thing.....you either get Tory or Labour in charge so you vote for which one you'd prefer (or not vote at all). Surely most will be opting for Labour regardless of their views on Starmer, otherwise by voting for someone else you are effectively voting in Tory so don't bother moaning about them if that happens at the next election đ¤ˇââď¸ Iâll be voting for the party that most closely aligns with my political leanings. Currently it isnât either of the two you mentioned. And in doing that you are effectively voting tories. Congratulations.
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Dec 22, 2022 23:41:26 GMT
Is that not Labourâs fault for not providing me and others like me with a reason to vote for them? .
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Post by Lobster on Dec 23, 2022 0:15:10 GMT
It's a difficult one. I feel like Big Si and FOP both basically want the same thing but have different ideas on how to get it, both of which I sympathise with.
The reality is it's only going to be Labour or Tories at the next elections, so which would you rather have? I'd go for the ideology behind Labour, even if it's not well represented by the current leader.
At the same time, I identify with the viewpoint that it's better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it. Having said that I'm not sure I'm a big fan of the Greens anymore having cosied up with the Lib Dems over Brexit, and if I were in Wales I would be thinking certain members of Plaid Cymru didn't endear themselves to me with their behaviour about the Deva's location at the start of this year. So I'm not sure there is a party I really identify with right now.
I think I'm resolved on my decision to vote Labour out of respect for the ideology and my MP, but I'm not proud of it. If they were to get in I would consider joining the party and pressing for change. God knows, the last five or six years have shown us that the governing party can easily change its leader.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 5, 2023 10:13:59 GMT
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Apr 5, 2023 10:44:53 GMT
Starmer down in the polls against this lot is hilarious.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 5, 2023 11:07:56 GMT
Starmer down in the polls against this lot is hilarious. All we're going to get from the Tories over the next 12-18 months is drivel about immigration, political correctness, "woke" things and so on. Lee Anderson even admitted this period is about "culture wars and trans debate". It's all they've got left.
Unfortunately, I've got a nasty feeling it might work.
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Apr 5, 2023 13:04:05 GMT
Small boats, Muslim grooming gangs and trans people.
I wish I was 100% confident that this strategy of rancid cruelty against minorities wonât prove electorally popular but thereâs an âoppositionâ peddling the same stuff anyway.
The good thing is wetwipes look set to be banned in England so thatâll get rid of Labourâs front bench.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 5, 2023 18:43:37 GMT
Small boats, Muslim grooming gangs and trans people. On this subject, 21 people today convicted in connection with a child sex abuse case that went on for nearly a decade. I can't see a single non-white face or non-British sounding name among them. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-65189785I think the idea that certain Muslim groups have got away with it because of "political correctness" is nonsense. Historic and current child sex abuse is coming to light all the time, it's usually white men and it has nothing to do with race. It's because it's hard to prove, we're too slow to deal with it and safeguarding measures in some places aren't what they should be.
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Post by 1paulcarden on Apr 30, 2023 9:28:18 GMT
What do Labour offer though? The same policies but with a slightly softer touch and slightly friendlier face. Iâm all in for Anni-fucking-byniaeth. Student politics doesnât win though does it? You and Noam Chomsky can celebrate not winning elections until the cows come home but what Starmer is doing (the part that you loathe) is appealing to the middle ground. In the words of Blair âPower without principle is barren, but principle without power is futile.â
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Apr 30, 2023 9:36:55 GMT
Rather the Labour Party which was founded by the working class actually backed the working class rather than licking the arse of private health care insurance investment firms, Rupert Murdoch and racists đđť
You keep drinking the snake oil youâre being sold pal.
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Post by 1paulcarden on Apr 30, 2023 10:15:54 GMT
Rather the Labour Party which was founded by the working class actually backed the working class rather than licking the arse of private health care insurance investment firms, Rupert Murdoch and racists đđť You keep drinking the snake oil youâre being sold pal. đ¤Łđ¤Łđ¤Ł Letâs all try and reach a peace settlement in Ukraine eh?
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Apr 30, 2023 10:37:08 GMT
Ermmm yes. Obviously.
You want to see more people murdered and more billions for weapons manufacturers? Proper weird.
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Post by Lobster on Apr 30, 2023 10:41:39 GMT
What do Labour offer though? The same policies but with a slightly softer touch and slightly friendlier face. Iâm all in for Anni-fucking-byniaeth. Student politics doesnât win though does it? You and Noam Chomsky can celebrate not winning elections until the cows come home but what Starmer is doing (the part that you loathe) is appealing to the middle ground. In the words of Blair âPower without principle is barren, but principle without power is futile.â This mantra is why we keep getting the wrong people as leaders. We get people who are interested in power rather than service. And if we accept it as voters, we get the leaders we deserve. The anti-Sunak smear campaign is the last straw for me. Labour are trying to make out they are the grown-ups in the room and they resort to that sort of crap. Three votes for the Greens in the council elections for me this week. I can't feel proud to associate myself with Labour at the moment.
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on Apr 30, 2023 10:47:14 GMT
Same, weâve gone Green as I prefer to vote for values. I see prominent Blue Labour front benchers taking big donations from private health insurance companies and I see the party letting âfunny tingeâ and other racists back in and I see personality smear campaigns and I despair.
The grown-ups are back in charge are they?
If the above poster wants to join this Labour in the gutter heâs welcome to do so. Heâll reply in a bit saying heâs glad the likes of us arenât interested in supporting Labour anymore - heâs said it before. Rather than trying to win over people to vote for his party. Weird.
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Post by Deva Chanter on Apr 30, 2023 17:03:00 GMT
Keir Starmer is a petty, obnoxious little megalomaniac who shouldn't be let anywhere near power.
If he wasn't an MP, he's the sort of vindictive loser who would spend his time haranguing his local council asking them to put up 'no ball games' signs in his street. He'd spend his entire evenings watching the footage from his Ring doorbell on his phone, waiting to see any teenagers on his street so he could call the police and complain of 'loitering youths', all the while wondering why it is that his wife and children absolutely loathe him.
As ever, I'll be voting for the furthest left available option on the ballot paper (which won't be Labour). I won't be having on my conscience the heinous, pernicious shit Starmer will get up to with power.
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Post by Curva Nord on Apr 30, 2023 19:04:06 GMT
Same, weâve gone Green as I prefer to vote for values. I see prominent Blue Labour front benchers taking big donations from private health insurance companies and I see the party letting âfunny tingeâ and other racists back in and I see personality smear campaigns and I despair. The grown-ups are back in charge are they? If the above poster wants to join this Labour in the gutter heâs welcome to do so. Heâll reply in a bit saying heâs glad the likes of us arenât interested in supporting Labour anymore - heâs said it before. Rather than trying to win over people to vote for his party. Weird. Parklife
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Post by Lobster on May 5, 2023 11:18:28 GMT
Sounds like there were quite a few issues with ID yesterday. People forgetting theirs, not having their passport because it's with the Passport Office (who are on strike like everyone else), people not wanting to take their masks off etc, and of course this descending into polling station staff and volunteers getting verbal abuse. And all this because of a grand total of nine cases of electoral fraud over the past five years.
You could well argue that anyone who turned up without ID is a div, but a div's vote is as good as a genius's. Turning away people who are on the Electoral Commission because they don't have ID is undemocratic I think, whatever their reason for not having ID might be. I can't help but think it's all just an attempt to stop vulnerable and apathetic people voting.
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Post by Lobster on May 5, 2023 17:20:58 GMT
Labour gain in CWaC, which previously had no party majority.
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Post by 1paulcarden on May 5, 2023 19:15:53 GMT
Crap results for the Tories and the Tankies. Good results for the rest of us. Reasons for optimism.
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on May 5, 2023 19:36:27 GMT
Labour scraping half of the seats the Tories lost đ
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Post by Frank Owenâs Paintbrush on May 5, 2023 19:37:02 GMT
Also good to see the âadults are back in chargeâ throwing around words like âtankiesââŚ
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Post by Lobster on May 5, 2023 21:42:11 GMT
Crap results for the Tories and the Tankies. Good results for the rest of us. Reasons for optimism. Good result for the Greens as well, if you're counting them as "tankies". I live in a safe Tory ward so voting Green today was my small way of sticking two fingers up at Starmer. I suspect for the next GE I will vote Labour, but I'll be voting for my MP Margaret Greenwood, not him.
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Post by cityboy5705 on May 6, 2023 10:25:21 GMT
Starmer will win most seats but still no majority so the unholy alliance of lib dem labour SNP telling you now
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