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Post by Lobster on Sept 2, 2023 22:01:06 GMT
Had to explain to two Ukrainian refugees why Liverpool Lime Street station was shut today. Kind of makes you realise the country is failing.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 20, 2023 8:31:20 GMT
Any thoughts on the UK seemingly abandoning net-zero pledges?
Sad that taking positive climate action ourselves seems to be much less of a vote winner than simply telling other countries to do it.
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Post by lincolnexile on Sept 21, 2023 14:53:31 GMT
Any thoughts on the UK seemingly abandoning net-zero pledges? Sad that taking positive climate action ourselves seems to be much less of a vote winner than simply telling other countries to do it. I think the big problem is that we're not trying hard enough to make energy production more environmentally friendly. It's pointless everyone driving around in an electric car if the electricity that's charged it up has come from a gas or coal fed power station. It needs somewhere between 350 and 500 wind turbines to produce the same electricity as a conventional fossil fuelled plant and last year in the UK we only erected two onshore wind turbines, this was mainly due to Cameron introducing legislation that said that if just one local resident objected to a wind turbine then the planning application would be rejected. Nobody wants solar farms because they're a fucking eyesore and take up too much land, Bio plants making energy from waste stink and don't work and nuclear energy isn't considered green. We were never going to hit the 2030 date, Boris just said 2030 because it made him sound like some kind of green hero. The thing is that Labour have now said that if they win the next election they will re-instate the 2030 date so what are the car manufacturers supposed to do now. Do they carry on producing electric cars and scale down the production of petrol and diesel cars and hope that Labour win the next election or do they do the opposite and hope the Tories win. Lets face it the whole thing is a fucking mess and by the time it's all sorted out it'll be too late and Manchester will be re-named Manchester-by-the-Sea.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 21, 2023 15:53:21 GMT
Won't make a difference who wins the next election unless its the Green Party.
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Post by lincolnexile on Sept 21, 2023 16:05:51 GMT
Won't make a difference who wins the next election unless its the Green Party. But their policy regarding producing energy is to produce all the energy we need via wind, sun and waves. it's a lovely idea but if we closed down all the fossil fuel and nuclear power stations we'd be fucked. It's pie in the sky. Green energy can produce a lot of electricity but not enough, especially if we're all whizzing round in electric cars
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Post by Lobster on Sept 21, 2023 17:54:27 GMT
Yeah, I do suspect climate disaster is irreversible. Or maybe it is reversible but I don't trust governments or businesses to do it. There's an argument that we should be investing more in preparing for it than trying to prevent it, although the two are not mutually exclusive.
It's the principle though. What is the point of a pledge if a few years later you're going to go back on it and just change it to jabbing your finger at other countries and telling them to do it instead? It's actually worse than doing nothing.
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Post by Curva Nord on Sept 21, 2023 22:11:23 GMT
Any thoughts on the UK seemingly abandoning net-zero pledges? Sad that taking positive climate action ourselves seems to be much less of a vote winner than simply telling other countries to do it. I think the big problem is that we're not trying hard enough to make energy production more environmentally friendly. It's pointless everyone driving around in an electric car if the electricity that's charged it up has come from a gas or coal fed power station. It needs somewhere between 350 and 500 wind turbines to produce the same electricity as a conventional fossil fuelled plant and last year in the UK we only erected two onshore wind turbines, this was mainly due to Cameron introducing legislation that said that if just one local resident objected to a wind turbine then the planning application would be rejected. Nobody wants solar farms because they're a fucking eyesore and take up too much land, Bio plants making energy from waste stink and don't work and nuclear energy isn't considered green. We were never going to hit the 2030 date, Boris just said 2030 because it made him sound like some kind of green hero. The thing is that Labour have now said that if they win the next election they will re-instate the 2030 date so what are the car manufacturers supposed to do now. Do they carry on producing electric cars and scale down the production of petrol and diesel cars and hope that Labour win the next election or do they do the opposite and hope the Tories win. Lets face it the whole thing is a fucking mess and by the time it's all sorted out it'll be too late and Manchester will be re-named Manchester-by-the-Sea. Yes those electric cars are incredibly green... Nuclear is your best option
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Post by 1paulcarden on Sept 23, 2023 20:03:16 GMT
Won't make a difference who wins the next election unless its the Green Party. But their policy regarding producing energy is to produce all the energy we need via wind, sun and waves. it's a lovely idea but if we closed down all the fossil fuel and nuclear power stations we'd be fucked. It's pie in the sky. Green energy can produce a lot of electricity but not enough, especially if we're all whizzing round in electric cars He believes in Father Christmas politics. No compromise, unadulterated pure socialism and anyone who has to go against it is a turncoat. Perfect example of why the Tories relentlessly win elections.
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 23, 2023 21:24:55 GMT
But their policy regarding producing energy is to produce all the energy we need via wind, sun and waves. it's a lovely idea but if we closed down all the fossil fuel and nuclear power stations we'd be fucked. It's pie in the sky. Green energy can produce a lot of electricity but not enough, especially if we're all whizzing round in electric cars He believes in Father Christmas politics. No compromise, unadulterated pure socialism and anyone who has to go against it is a turncoat. Perfect example of why the Tories relentlessly win elections. Starmer is offering a carbon copy of the Cameron/Osborne government, so what’s the point in Labour? Come on, convince me to vote for Labour without resorting to the usual “if you don’t vote Labour you’re letting the Tories win” claptrap which absolutely, unequivocally no longer holds water. I may as well vote for the real Tories rather than a party who are proposing the exact same policies as the current Tory government. He even said “we are the real Conservatives” FFS!! What more do you want? Sunak making up fake policies that’s he’s “got rid of” = untrustworthy. Labour backtracking on every single policy two days later = untrustworthy. So what’s the point? So much for “the grownups” being back in charge eh, the likes of you call yourself a grownup but can’t debate points without resorting to belittling and petulant name-calling. Embarrassing.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 23, 2023 22:46:56 GMT
There is part of me that thinks Starmer is just saying and doing what he needs to in order to win the election. Let's face it, the British voting public are bloody hopeless.
Still finding it hard to stomach voting for him though.
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Post by Lon on Sept 24, 2023 0:30:22 GMT
There is part of me that thinks Starmer is just saying and doing what he needs to in order to win the election. Let's face it, the British voting public are bloody hopeless. Still finding it hard to stomach voting for him though. Starmer doesn’t need to do or say anything to win the next election. Same as when Boris refused to do any sort of difficult interviews or debates. If you know you are going to win why take the risk of saying something wrong and potentially screwing yourself over when you can just sit back say nothing and win regardless?
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Post by Deva Chanter on Sept 24, 2023 12:34:57 GMT
There is part of me that thinks Starmer is just saying and doing what he needs to in order to win the election. Let's face it, the British voting public are bloody hopeless. Still finding it hard to stomach voting for him though. An overly generous reading of both the situation and of his deeply reactionary politics. He's rivalled in dishonesty only by Boris Johnson and yet many of the people who treated Johnson as some sort of political pariah are lining up to hand power to Starmer. The fact that he will say and do anything to win an election in itself is a huge warning - if he'll say and do anything to get power, then guess what? He'll also say and do anything to keep it. His ability to take the most reactionary position possible on any given issue is almost admirable - the bloke is a complete danger.
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Post by cityboy5705 on Sept 24, 2023 16:30:14 GMT
Voted labour all my life but cannot and will not vote for him because of what the labour council have done to my area but cannot vote Tory so might vote lib Dems
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Post by Lobster on Sept 26, 2023 11:36:29 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66919416This woman is unbelievable. She wants to treat gay discrimination as if it's not a real thing while in the same breath arguing that refugee protection laws are outdated!
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Post by cityboy5705 on Sept 27, 2023 6:48:34 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66919416This woman is unbelievable. She wants to treat gay discrimination as if it's not a real thing while in the same breath arguing that refugee protection laws are outdated! very dangerous woman how she keeps getting top jobs is beyond me
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Post by Lobster on Sept 27, 2023 10:04:34 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-66919416This woman is unbelievable. She wants to treat gay discrimination as if it's not a real thing while in the same breath arguing that refugee protection laws are outdated! very dangerous woman how she keeps getting top jobs is beyond me I really don't see how what she's saying can be described as anything other than fascist language.
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Post by devamug72 on Sept 27, 2023 16:38:31 GMT
very dangerous woman how she keeps getting top jobs is beyond me I really don't see how what she's saying can be described as anything other than fascist language.
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Post by Bluesontop on Sept 28, 2023 11:32:36 GMT
I didn't realise there was so many left wing woke worshippers from within our fanbase Right I'm walking up to the Town Hall to burn bras and shout the lords prayer out loud.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 28, 2023 19:00:16 GMT
I didn't realise there was so many left wing woke worshippers from within our fanbase Right I'm walking up to the Town Hall to burn bras and shout the lords prayer out loud. A confused display of political leanings, that would be.
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Post by Bluesontop on Sept 29, 2023 11:46:57 GMT
Won't make a difference who wins the next election unless its the Green Party. The Green Party Ask the people of Brighton (their one and only constituency) what their experience of The Green Party is. Net zero is an expensive ideology that isn't going to work and everyone knows it. Lets say the UK actually hit net zero, it would have net zero effect on global emissions anyway until China, India and USA for a start make some drastic changes to their outlook on climate change.
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Post by Lobster on Sept 29, 2023 12:05:23 GMT
Won't make a difference who wins the next election unless its the Green Party. The Green Party Ask the people of Brighton (their one and only constituency) what their experience of The Green Party is. Net zero is an expensive ideology that isn't going to work and everyone knows it. Lets say the UK actually hit net zero, it would have net zero effect on global emissions anyway until China, India and USA for a start make some drastic changes to their outlook on climate change.Why should they if we don't though? Don't you think they'd be saying the same thing? The only reason China and India is so high is because so many people live there. Plus they both do a lot of manufacturing for us. For our size, we create a lot more emissions that they do. USA I'll give you.
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Post by Bluesontop on Sept 29, 2023 13:24:18 GMT
The Green Party Ask the people of Brighton (their one and only constituency) what their experience of The Green Party is. Net zero is an expensive ideology that isn't going to work and everyone knows it. Lets say the UK actually hit net zero, it would have net zero effect on global emissions anyway until China, India and USA for a start make some drastic changes to their outlook on climate change.Why should they if we don't though? Don't you think they'd be saying the same thing? The only reason China and India is so high is because so many people live there. Plus they both do a lot of manufacturing for us. For our size, we create a lot more emissions that they do. USA I'll give you. In the period 1991 - 2021 the UK cut emissions by 43.8% mainly from decreasing emissions from power stations. If China/India/USA could achieve half of that in the next 20 years I'd be surprised. We've got to stop thinking we are to blame for everything when in reality we are doing well in comparison.
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Sept 29, 2023 17:08:59 GMT
Won't make a difference who wins the next election unless its the Green Party. The Green Party Ask the people of Brighton (their one and only constituency) what their experience of The Green Party is. Net zero is an expensive ideology that isn't going to work and everyone knows it. Lets say the UK actually hit net zero, it would have net zero effect on global emissions anyway until China, India and USA for a start make some drastic changes to their outlook on climate change.Caroline Lucas majority has increased considerably at each election since she was elected in 2010 in Brighton Pavilion so I’m going to assume that the people of that constituency don’t have too bad of an experience of her and the Green Party.
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Post by Bluesontop on Sept 29, 2023 17:16:43 GMT
The Green Party Ask the people of Brighton (their one and only constituency) what their experience of The Green Party is. Net zero is an expensive ideology that isn't going to work and everyone knows it. Lets say the UK actually hit net zero, it would have net zero effect on global emissions anyway until China, India and USA for a start make some drastic changes to their outlook on climate change.Caroline Lucas majority has increased considerably at each election since she was elected in 2010 in Brighton Pavilion so I’m going to assume that the people of that constituency don’t have too bad of an experience of her and the Green Party. That has got more to do with the fact that the two main parties in this country are as shockingly bad as each other. That aside the council is facing a £70 million funding gap and are just about to go bankrupt and the annual spend has gone over £1Billion. Council Tax bills top £275 per month. I wouldn't assume anything about constituency satisfaction in Brighton.
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Post by Zvonimir Boban on Sept 29, 2023 17:50:04 GMT
Caroline Lucas majority has increased considerably at each election since she was elected in 2010 in Brighton Pavilion so I’m going to assume that the people of that constituency don’t have too bad of an experience of her and the Green Party. That has got more to do with the fact that the two main parties in this country are as shockingly bad as each other. That aside the council is facing a £70 million funding gap and are just about to go bankrupt and the annual spend has gone over £1Billion. Council Tax bills top £275 per month. I wouldn't assume anything about constituency satisfaction in Brighton. Although I haven’t asked the people of Brighton what their views of the Green Party are I can do a little Google and see in Brighton Pavillion (their only constituency as you point out) that Caroline Lucas majority increased from 31% to 57% in 13 years. Spin it whatever way you want but that’s a fact. Anyway haven’t you got better things to do like burning bras or shouting the Lord’s Prayer.
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Post by Bluesontop on Sept 29, 2023 19:01:41 GMT
That has got more to do with the fact that the two main parties in this country are as shockingly bad as each other. That aside the council is facing a £70 million funding gap and are just about to go bankrupt and the annual spend has gone over £1Billion. Council Tax bills top £275 per month. I wouldn't assume anything about constituency satisfaction in Brighton. Although I haven’t asked the people of Brighton what their views of the Green Party are I can do a little Google and see in Brighton Pavillion (their only constituency as you point out) that Caroline Lucas majority increased from 31% to 57% in 13 years. Spin it whatever way you want but that’s a fact. Anyway haven’t you got better things to do like burning bras or shouting the Lord’s Prayer. Indeed I have. I'll see you there.
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Post by avfo on Oct 4, 2023 1:36:03 GMT
Oh how we laughed at those yanks blindly following the Donald regardless of the truth
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Post by Firestick Frank on Oct 12, 2023 21:01:42 GMT
Labour just as bad at their Conference to be fair. Lies and booting people out.
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Post by Lobster on Oct 12, 2023 21:50:06 GMT
Why exactly was that man who heckled Suella Braverman manhandled and escorted out by the police? What offence had he committed?
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Post by cityboy5705 on Oct 13, 2023 13:17:31 GMT
SNP are a spent force now I think lost that by election now one has defected to Tory I have heard there might be more defectors I bet they are begging sturgeon to come back
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