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Post by Woody on Sept 12, 2017 10:13:18 GMT
I really like the sound of him too. He was before my time but I like the idea of having someone with club connections, who's local etc & he's got the experience we so desperately need. No brainer for me, ether Andy Holden or Graham Barrow. Two ex great captains, experienced coaches / managers, well qualified enough to hold positions at bigger clubs than ourselves, majority of candidates applying for the job can only dream to achieve what these two have as coaches. |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 12, 2017 10:32:20 GMT
I really like the sound of him too. He was before my time but I like the idea of having someone with club connections, who's local etc & he's got the experience we so desperately need. No brainer for me, ether Andy Holden or Graham Barrow. Two ex great captains, experienced coaches / managers, well qualified enough to hold positions at bigger clubs than ourselves, majority of candidates applying for the job can only dream to achieve what these two have as coaches. But do either have what you would call a recent "working knowledge of the National League"? Not trying to dismiss them, by the way, just putting the other side of the argument across. I wouldn't complain about either of them being appointed, and the feelgood factor it would create might help boost the gates, but I still think my first choice would be someone like Bignot or Edinburgh who has achieved highly at this level within the last few years. |
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Post by Imperial on Sept 12, 2017 10:37:37 GMT
I agree & I wouldn't be opposed to either of them. Bignot's mixed reviews do worry me slightly though.
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Post by superman on Sept 12, 2017 10:38:40 GMT
Sounds like we are getting some candidates with pedigree and chester connections, most if not all who would be welcomed by the fans. As those who are making the decision are fans themselves and represent us all, I trust them to make a choice that is prudent in terms of quality experience and fan acceptability. However we must hope that heart doesn't override head and the best candidate appointed. Holden and Barrow would both certainly seem to fit the bill. Loved Jenks as a player and person less sure about his suitability as a manager. Good luck to those making the decision. Sounds like there might be a decent bunch to short list from including a few no no nos.
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Post by MOC on Sept 12, 2017 11:30:50 GMT
Not a great fan of clubs appointing managers right off the back of being sacked elsewhere after poor runs of form which would be my concern with Justin Edinburgh, albeit it happened a couple of divisions up the ladder (and he did well in this league with Newport). Think sometimes managers need a couple of months or so after getting sacked to take stock and reflect on where things went wrong before they take their next job, although I can understand why some are desperate to secure work very quickly and also that clubs want to lure certain managers while they are on the market.
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Post by Woody on Sept 12, 2017 13:10:28 GMT
No brainer for me, ether Andy Holden or Graham Barrow. Two ex great captains, experienced coaches / managers, well qualified enough to hold positions at bigger clubs than ourselves, majority of candidates applying for the job can only dream to achieve what these two have as coaches. But do either have what you would call a recent "working knowledge of the National League"? Not trying to dismiss them, by the way, just putting the other side of the argument across. I wouldn't complain about either of them being appointed, and the feelgood factor it would create might help boost the gates, but I still think my first choice would be someone like Bignot or Edinburgh who has achieved highly at this level within the last few years. I can see your point, however for me they are both highly qualified experienced managers/ coaches who were able to embrace change previously as coaches Holden from Everton to Hibs in the Scottish 2nd tier and win a cup final. Barrow from Chester to Wigan also won an FA cup final and gain promotion to the premier league. No other applicant can even touch what these guys have achieved and certainly wouldn't even be considered or interviewed if they were to apply for the roles these guys have previously undertaken within higher tier clubs, that's an important fact I believe that should be considered in this recruitment process including the points below:
I think both individuals have a lot to offer in terms of management and in the long term as a club we will reap the benefits with either appointed. Given our current circumstances at the club with a dwindling support , lack of structure on the pitch, promising young coaches at all levels and a good youth structure at the club, a growing community club the experience either of these two candidates could offer in terms of developing an even more successful youth development at the club, the assistance / experience to advise / assist our current good young coaching staff into a highly qualified team is absolutely untouchable, this will allow our club to fulfil its potential in all areas for the next few years and install a belief the WE CAN DO THIS.
Both candidates are LEGENDS!! previously at the club, equally they have a wining mentality, rolled their sleeves up ready for battle, never give up attitude and ability for those who were fortunate to have witnessed. However on top of all this their professionalism has helped them achieve what they have in a coaching or manager capacity, both these candidates have seen or been in struggling sides / good sides as players or albeit coaches, turned things around and certainly flourished in different tiers of football and ultimately worked with a wide variety of players of a different age or ability.
I can see peoples arguments for national league experience however we have a good squad and an assistant in Shaw who have knowledge in our current league, this recruitment should be based on the bigger picture where we want to be as a club in the next few years, both these individuals can take note of the current league position and improve our team in the future and take us to the next level.
The above points for me rule out the majority of current applicants and put these two individuals top of the list.
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Post by mcseal on Sept 12, 2017 13:38:24 GMT
But do either have what you would call a recent "working knowledge of the National League"? Not trying to dismiss them, by the way, just putting the other side of the argument across. I wouldn't complain about either of them being appointed, and the feelgood factor it would create might help boost the gates, but I still think my first choice would be someone like Bignot or Edinburgh who has achieved highly at this level within the last few years. I can see your point, however for me they are both highly qualified experienced managers/ coaches who were able to embrace change previously as coaches Holden from Everton to Hibs in the Scottish 2nd tier and win a cup final. Barrow from Chester to Wigan also won an FA cup final and gain promotion to the premier league. No other applicant can even touch what these guys have achieved and certainly wouldn't even be considered or interviewed if they were to apply for the roles these guys have previously undertaken within higher tier clubs, that's an important fact I believe that should be considered in this recruitment process including the points below:
I think both individuals have a lot to offer in terms of management and in the long term as a club we will reap the benefits with either appointed. Given our current circumstances at the club with a dwindling support , lack of structure on the pitch, promising young coaches at all levels and a good youth structure at the club, a growing community club the experience either of these two candidates could offer in terms of developing an even more successful youth development at the club, the assistance / experience to advise / assist our current good young coaching staff into a highly qualified team is absolutely untouchable, this will allow our club to fulfil its potential in all areas for the next few years and install a belief the WE CAN DO THIS.
Both candidates are LEGENDS!! previously at the club, equally they have a wining mentality, rolled their sleeves up ready for battle, never give up attitude and ability for those who were fortunate to have witnessed. However on top of all this their professionalism has helped them achieve what they have in a coaching or manager capacity, both these candidates have seen or been in struggling sides / good sides as players or albeit coaches, turned things around and certainly flourished in different tiers of football and ultimately worked with a wide variety of players of a different age or ability.
I can see peoples arguments for national league experience however we have a good squad and an assistant in Shaw who have knowledge in our current league, this recruitment should be based on the bigger picture where we want to be as a club in the next few years, both these individuals can take note of the current league position and improve our team in the future and take us to the next level.
The above points for me rule out the majority of current applicants and put these two individuals top of the list.
Wouldn't mind Holden or Barrow. Just got the same feeling I had when Rush took the helm- It's all going to end in tears at some point and it would be a massive shame to tarnish their 'club legend' status when it does. |
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Post by Woody on Sept 12, 2017 13:55:00 GMT
I can see your point, however for me they are both highly qualified experienced managers/ coaches who were able to embrace change previously as coaches Holden from Everton to Hibs in the Scottish 2nd tier and win a cup final. Barrow from Chester to Wigan also won an FA cup final and gain promotion to the premier league. No other applicant can even touch what these guys have achieved and certainly wouldn't even be considered or interviewed if they were to apply for the roles these guys have previously undertaken within higher tier clubs, that's an important fact I believe that should be considered in this recruitment process including the points below:
I think both individuals have a lot to offer in terms of management and in the long term as a club we will reap the benefits with either appointed. Given our current circumstances at the club with a dwindling support , lack of structure on the pitch, promising young coaches at all levels and a good youth structure at the club, a growing community club the experience either of these two candidates could offer in terms of developing an even more successful youth development at the club, the assistance / experience to advise / assist our current good young coaching staff into a highly qualified team is absolutely untouchable, this will allow our club to fulfil its potential in all areas for the next few years and install a belief the WE CAN DO THIS.
Both candidates are LEGENDS!! previously at the club, equally they have a wining mentality, rolled their sleeves up ready for battle, never give up attitude and ability for those who were fortunate to have witnessed. However on top of all this their professionalism has helped them achieve what they have in a coaching or manager capacity, both these candidates have seen or been in struggling sides / good sides as players or albeit coaches, turned things around and certainly flourished in different tiers of football and ultimately worked with a wide variety of players of a different age or ability.
I can see peoples arguments for national league experience however we have a good squad and an assistant in Shaw who have knowledge in our current league, this recruitment should be based on the bigger picture where we want to be as a club in the next few years, both these individuals can take note of the current league position and improve our team in the future and take us to the next level.
The above points for me rule out the majority of current applicants and put these two individuals top of the list.
Wouldn't mind Holden or Barrow. Just got the same feeling I had when Rush took the helm- It's all going to end in tears at some point and it would be a massive shame to tarnish their 'club legend' status when it does. I think fundamentally these guys have been subjected to coaching / managers roles including coaching qualifications, so from a newly appointed manager prospective I don't see it being as big a risk of when Ian took the helm. |
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Post by rainfordblue on Sept 12, 2017 14:29:25 GMT
Alan Oakes
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Post by Woody on Sept 12, 2017 14:41:00 GMT
Good call, decent record as a manager until 82. Did a good job for us |
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Post by Wortleyblue on Sept 12, 2017 15:05:59 GMT
Probably a bit too long in the tooth now |
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Post by chesterken on Sept 12, 2017 15:17:11 GMT
Probably a bit too long in the tooth now Just had his 75th birthday I think so your right on that score |
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Post by Firestick Frank on Sept 12, 2017 16:13:16 GMT
Wouldn't mind Holden or Barrow. Just got the same feeling I had when Rush took the helm- It's all going to end in tears at some point and it would be a massive shame to tarnish their 'club legend' status when it does. I think fundamentally these guys have been subjected to coaching / managers roles including coaching qualifications, so from a newly appointed manager prospective I don't see it being as big a risk of when Ian took the helm. Indeed, Rush was a complete fish out of water whereas the aforementioned two have an absolute wealth of decades of managerial and coaching experience. However, I genuinely don't believe either of them will be interested in the role. I feel Holden, judging by his interviews when he took he reigns at Cae-y-Castell, sees hometown FTU as a retirement home given everything he's achieved in the game whilst Barrow is probably happy in an assistant capacity as it's what he's known for the past 15 years or so. That's not to say I wouldn't have either (or both!) in the dugout, of course. |
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Post by Lobster on Sept 12, 2017 16:26:27 GMT
Chesterfield seem like a club doing a Leyton Orient though. You get the feeling all isn't well there.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 20:25:15 GMT
heard there was a massive bust up with Jon and the Board before Solihull game they asked him to quit on the Monday evening he refused to and goaded them to sack him if this is true good fu**** riddance he's a pr***
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Post by noddy on Sept 12, 2017 20:52:33 GMT
heard there was a massive bust up with Jon and the Board before Solihull game they asked him to quit on the Monday evening he refused to and goaded them to sack him if this is true good fu**** riddance he's a pr*** Can't be true. He's a nice guy apparently.... |
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Post by billyw on Sept 13, 2017 16:04:33 GMT
Bernard McNally has applied for the job
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Post by dmcnally on Sept 14, 2017 9:50:09 GMT
Shortlisting has now taken place, over yesterday and today. They will be invited to interviews early next week.
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Post by bing on Sept 14, 2017 10:05:08 GMT
heard there was a massive bust up with Jon and the Board before Solihull game they asked him to quit on the Monday evening he refused to and goaded them to sack him if this is true good fu**** riddance he's a pr*** Can't be true. He's a nice guy apparently.... It's possible that this didn't happen, in which case he may still be a nice guy. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 11:51:33 GMT
Dermot Drummy former head coach of Crawley and Chelsea youth & reserve team has apparently applied
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Post by MOC on Sept 14, 2017 12:11:33 GMT
Not saying he'd be my choice but got a feeling Steve Watson could seriously be in contention for it. Got interviewed for it last time and reported to have applied again, while he's presumably taken some of the credit for Macc's achievements as Askey's assistant. If it counts for anything his odds have noticeably shortened with BetVictor.
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Post by billyw on Sept 14, 2017 14:50:29 GMT
Not saying he'd be my choice but got a feeling Steve Watson could seriously be in contention for it. Got interviewed for it last time and reported to have applied again, while he's presumably taken some of the credit for Macc's achievements as Askey's assistant. If it counts for anything his odds have noticeably shortened with BetVictor. Wasn't he almost given the job until Burr's last minute entrance. Could be a strong candidate. |
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Post by Al on Sept 14, 2017 14:54:19 GMT
Not saying he'd be my choice but got a feeling Steve Watson could seriously be in contention for it. Got interviewed for it last time and reported to have applied again, while he's presumably taken some of the credit for Macc's achievements as Askey's assistant. If it counts for anything his odds have noticeably shortened with BetVictor. Wasn't he almost given the job until Burr's last minute entrance. Could be a strong candidate. You're thinking of Grant McCann (now working at Peterborough).
Watson was interviewed along with McCarthy, and Richard Hill.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 15:03:20 GMT
Wasn't he almost given the job until Burr's last minute entrance. Could be a strong candidate. You're thinking of Grant McCann (now working at Peterborough).
Watson was interviewed along with McCarthy, and Richard Hill.
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Post by billyw on Sept 14, 2017 15:05:17 GMT
Wasn't he almost given the job until Burr's last minute entrance. Could be a strong candidate. You're thinking of Grant McCann (now working at Peterborough).
Watson was interviewed along with McCarthy, and Richard Hill.
I stand corrected about Watson but wasn't it Gavin McCann not Grant McCann - or am I having another senior moment. |
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Post by catfordbags on Sept 14, 2017 18:52:38 GMT
Bernard McNally has applied for the job Needs to be given a bottle of Shiraz and told to down it in one before he is given an interview ... not having any tom, dick or mcnally waltzing in and tarnishing the name .... |
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Post by chesterken on Sept 14, 2017 20:45:02 GMT
Judging by all the expectation interest and excitement of selecting a new manager why not put the new man on a 12 month deal then if he doesn't get us into the play offs we can let him go and start all over again😗
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Post by rcb on Sept 15, 2017 9:39:47 GMT
My conspiracy theory tells me the new manager will have to be Warren Joyce. I have no idea why McCarthy gave his son a new contract, and even after the sacking we see Wade Joyce is first on the starting sheet. Surely there must be a clause in the manager's brief stating Joyce must start, in which case only a father would be happy with that.
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Post by Rio Doherty on Sept 16, 2017 7:57:39 GMT
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Post by MOC on Sept 17, 2017 10:18:25 GMT
Beginning to wonder if our current predicament struggling to beat the drop might see Kevin Nicholson emerge as a contender, given in successive years he pulled Torquay to safety. Sure I read somewhere that he was reported to have applied for it. Not saying he'd be my choice or that he'd actually get the job, just got a hunch he could make the shortlist. I know he's just been at Torquay but I don't think he's an exclusively southern manager in the mound of the likes of Garry Hill, given several of the clubs Nicholson played for were in the midlands or north and he presumably therefore has contacts beyond just the South-West. I don't know where he's based though.
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